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More on the story of the Brooklyn army veteran who was killed by an undercover cop during a drug sting in Clinton Hill. The Daily News now reports that the "undercover cop was wearing earphones to keep in touch with his NYPD team and didn't hear an irate Brooklyn homeowner's command to get off his stoop until it was too late...When the undercover officer didn't budge from the Clinton Hill stoop Saturday night, resident Shem Walker kicked the man he thought was a vagrant in the back of the head, sources said." One source said, "With the earphones on, the cop just didn't hear anything. The next he knew, someone had kicked him, and the fight starts, with a tragic end." The police have contended that Walker grabbed the cop's gun; some witnesses say they didn't hear the cop identify himself as a police officer.
Report: "Earphone Snafu" Led Cop To Shoot Brooklyn Man
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was there really someone under the subway at times square (42nd) like half and hour ago?
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Either the NYPD spends way too much on very high tech noise cancelling headphones, or they are full of shit. Either way, not this guy's fault for trying to kick the crap out of an apparent vagrant, confrontational an approach as it is.
Even if he was a vagrant, who kicks someone in the back of the head for sitting on their stoop?
Indeed.
More like an NYPD snafu.
Yet another one. This time with deadly results.
either way sounds like an amazingly good use of judgement by the cop. when in doubt, shoot.
GREAT JOB, NYPD.
Undercover, without situational awareness. I mean it's an honest mistake, but not for a 7 year veteran...
That being said, I'd put the guy back behind a desk. At least till this blows over. Honestly I don't see this guy having really made a huge mistake. The homeowner made a mistake by assaulting him. And it is assault... even if he's on your property. NYC is not Texas or Florida. You don't have a right to attack people on your property. You have a right to call the cops, and defend yourself from assault ( after exhausting all opportunities to flee ).
The sad truth is, this guy kicked the wrong dude in the back of the head. And now one man is dead, and another will have to live with that.
Even in those states you would not have the right to attack a person who is merely sitting on a stoop. Both Texas and Florida law require that the offender uses force to unlawfully enter the property in order for the presumption to apply.
"Honestly I don't see this guy having really made a huge mistake."
Let's see...cop on private property, gets assaulted by owner without a weapon, decides to pull deadly weapon and kill the owner. He didn't shoot him in the legs, he didn't shoot his arms, he shot the guy in the chest with the intent to kill. Sure, perhaps the owner deserved jail and a fine for assaulting the undercover cop, but death? Come on.
Did you really make an argument that involves precision shooting in the leg or arm during an altercation?
Stop watching movies. They aren't reality.
Typical of your handle, you have no sense of the reality of firearm use.
Shoot em in the arms or legs, like John McClane? LOL.
there was no gun on the landlord. why couldn't the cop just defend himself like the big man he's trained to be? because they are trained to shoot first, ask questions later?
Seriously, couldn't he have just used hand to hand combat till his other pal on the next stoop came over? YES. Why is it necessary to pull a gun or taser at every chance possible?
Because the whole culture of NYPD encourages humiliation of NYC's citizens and a degraded view on the value human life. Our lives are worthless to them. Their safety is most important over all else.
Hang around a bunch of drunk cops and you will quickly realize that this attitude is a part of their culture. Its not about right and wrong. Its about we command, you obey.
"Typical of your handle, you have no sense of the reality of firearm use."
huh? Typical of my handle? When did I ever post anything about firearm use before this?
And my post is not about firearm use, it's about the intent to kill. He could have fired a warning shot, he could have announced that he was a cop, etc...he had countless other options other than shooting the guy dead.
a kick to the back of the head is the new pat on the back.
I don't want to blame the victim, but what kind of man goes up to someone from behind and kicks him in the back of the head?
Oops, I think I just did.
I do not know if an "UNDERCOVER" police officer is supposed to yell out that he is a cop while being UNDERCOVER?! What if an elderly person was to sit for a moment on this guy's stoop in the middle of a heart attack would he kick them in the back without asking if they are alright first, people need to calm the fuck down!!
"people need to calm the fuck down!!"
Irony.
That's assuming the cop is telling the truth about what happened. Also, given the headphone excuse, the cop presumably didn't hear what the victim said before he was kicked in the head. Maybe it was "Get off my property or I'll kick you in the head." Which was more warning than the cop gave this guy before shooting him.
another NYPD BS excuse,
are you telling me this cop didn't hear a guy yelling at him for getting off his Private Property????
don't most earpieces are only used on one ear and not both?
don't you want to hear what's going around you and your radio?
and again, it's his private property and if it's one thing the NYPD knows is private and public property.
what happened to all the private property libertarians rights people???
It wasn't his house - it was his mom's place. All the 'shoot the intruder' discussion is meaningless.
You don't kick someone in the head for sitting on a stoop - EVER.
Look, the Cop went too far - no doubt. Didn't need to shoot twice (or even pull his gun) under any circumstances. He had back up less than 50 feet away.
But seriously, this was Bed-Sty, so if this "victim" was such a 'wonderful, nice guy' should he have known better? Even if he thought he was 'in the right' didn't he realize that his Mom would probably be subjected to revenge the day after he went back to Philly?
Stupid all around. What a waste. The only winners are Sharpton and Tish James who love to get their name in the press. The rest of us lose.
"It wasn't his house - it was his mom's place. All the 'shoot the intruder' discussion is meaningless.
his mom was sick and old... and he was taking care of her: IT WAS HIS HOUSE. that makes absolutely no difference anyway. does one not being a homeowner make one worthless? irrelevant statement.
"You don't kick someone in the head for sitting on a stoop - EVER."
kill > kick
you don't shoot (and kill) an unarmed man because he kicked you EVER.
"Look, the Cop went too far - no doubt. Didn't need to shoot twice (or even pull his gun) under any circumstances. He had back up less than 50 feet away."
That's really all there is to it. And thanks or admitting that the cop went too far.
"But seriously, this was Bed-Sty**, so if this "victim" was such a 'wonderful, nice guy' should he have known better? Even if he thought he was 'in the right' didn't he realize that his Mom would probably be subjected to revenge the day after he went back to Philly?"
You are implying that there are no victims who live in Bed Stuy and that there's no way he could be a nice guy because he's from Bed Stuy. You are also implying that he should allow drug dealers to hang out in front of his mother's house. So what does it take to be a good guy in Bed Stuy?
"his mom was sick and old... and he was taking care of her: IT WAS HIS HOUSE."
He was just visiting and it WAS NOT HIS HOUSE. Reports state that Mama owned it. So, even if the 'shoot the intruder' rules existed in NY, you have to be the home owner and make a reasonable attempt to escape. Visitors do not have the right to shoot people in someone else's house.
"you don't shoot (and kill) an unarmed man because he kicked you EVER."
That is what I said in the next paragraph. My point is that if you think kicking a stranger in the head is ok - well why don't you try it yourself and find out how people react.
"You are implying that there are no victims who live in Bed Stuy and that there's no way he could be a nice guy because he's from Bed Stuy."
No - I am talking about this guy and the bad Cop only. Make your own assumptions on your own time. Read carefully - I am not defending the Cop, I'm just appalled that Mr. Head Stomper's family gets the Sharpton treatment, so the lawsuits follow (countdown to Sanford Rubenstein press conference in 3..2..1), and we all lose (via taxes used to pay settlement).
"You are also implying that he should allow drug dealers to hang out in front of his mother's house."
How would he know he was a drug dealer? Cop was just sitting on the stoop and did not answer "John Rambo's" demands quick enough. This is what happens when people (and I mean YOU theboneranger) make incorrect assumptions.
"So what does it take to be a good guy in Bed Stuy?"
Now that's a great question - you got me there. Based on your comments, I'm going to 'assume' that you don't have a clue either.
welcome new poster,
maybe I should hang out at your stoop. we can learn html coding together.
It wasn't his house - it was his mom's place. All the 'shoot the intruder' discussion is meaningless.
You don't kick someone in the head for sitting on a stoop - EVER.
Look, the Cop went too far - no doubt. Didn't need to shoot twice (or even pull his gun) under any circumstances. He had back up less than 50 feet away.
But seriously, this was Bed-Sty, so if this "victim" was such a 'wonderful, nice guy' should he have known better? Even if he thought he was 'in the right' didn't he realize that his Mom would probably be subjected to revenge the day after he went back to Philly?
Stupid all around. What a waste. The only winners are Sharpton and Tish James who love to get their name in the press. The rest of us lose.
are we still living in America? respect one's property,
where's the libertarians?
why does the NYPD hates veterans so much???
Both men were in the wrong - kicking somebody for sitting on your stoop is assault, shooting somebody in the chest for kicking you is just plain fucked up, especially as a cop. But killing somebody is obviously much much more serious than assault. I hope the cop gets the book thrown at him. Earphones or not, he acted hastily and with incredibly poor judgment.
Once hit, there's no reason the cop couldn't have taken a few steps away rather than pulling his weapon, especially since he had backup a few feet away. If he was trying to preserve his undercover status, pulling his gun is the dumbest thing he could possibly do. Nothing says "cop" faster than shooting someone then having a dozen cruisers surround but not arrest you.
Still waiting for that purported wrench that Rolltide23 swore two days ago Walker smacked the cop with. Maybe it's on the grassy knoll.
Kick in head, punch to face..bang bang..one dead asshole.
Like I wrote, Rolltide is obviously a security guard and tough guy wannabe who couldn't make it into NYPD. Probably because even the NYPD psychologists could see he has no business carrying a gun with his anger problems.
Unfortunately, there's only one version of the story. Unless the cop was listening to loud music, the headphone story doesn't stick; a good lawyer would would bring that out. If you went up to a cop and punched him in the face, he would probably shoot you instead of wack you with his baton. So when the cop got kicked, he didn't fight back, he simply pulled a gun causing the victim to go into survival mode. It probably happened very fast. There was a struggle, and someone got shot. It was probably over in a matter of seconds. Very sad...
I have a question... if Walker told the man to get off his property then walked to the store, how the heck could he have possibly kicked this man in the back of his head if he was standing in front of the man.... the cop would have seen the foot coming am I not correct....? These shady @$$ officers need to pick one bs lie and stick to it.... and in my opinion the officer should have simply gotten up... no harm done.... everyone on here has something negative to say about Walker and no on was there to know wut happened.... everyone wants to justify these "glorious" officers... but there isn't anything "glorious" about a man who can take another mans life... and who the heck care if it was his mothers house he was protecting so what he wasn't the homeowner... he lived there at one point in his life... I'm sure any one of you would want to keep (strange) people off your family's property..