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Greenpoint resident Chrissie Brodigan says she was riding on the L train between Bedford and First Avenue when her pug, who has health problems, overheated and began vomiting in the tote bag she was carrying him in. As she was leaving the subway station with the dog in her arms, she says a police officer's attempt to issue her a ticket turned ugly, and when she became upset the cop began saying, "If you're going to act like a woman I'm going to treat you like a woman." [We've updated with photos of Brodigan's arrest. July 1 update: A new post with details about another witness's account is here. ]
According to Brodigan, the arresting officer's name is Witriol (badge number 942838). After seeing a photo, she identified him to us as Joel Witriol, who in 2006 became New York's first Hasidic cop. Brodigan, 32, says Witriol would not accept her explanation that she was carrying the pug because it was sick, and she believes that the disturbed crowd that gathered to witness the arrest only made him angrier. She tells us, "He punched me in the back (there are bruises), he handcuffed me, and in the scuffle grabbed my breasts and pinched them."
Melissa Randazzo, a speech language pathologist who lives in Williamsburg, witnessed the arrest and tells us, "something about it seemed very wrong. The cop's tone seemed really inappropriate and he kept saying things like, 'Are you going to act like a woman?' She tried to walk away, and then he grabbed her and pushed her against the wall outside the turnstile." Randazzo ran up to the street level to call 911 to, as she says, "call the cops" on Witriol, and soon some 20 officers had descended into the Bedford station. They then ordered the witnesses to disperse. Brodigan describes what happened after she was arrested:
They took my pug and he told me he was taking him to the pound where he would be "put down." I was taken to the J stop headquarters. I wasn't allowed to call a lawyer and I was put in a cell with handcuffs on with two other women who spit on me and hit me in the head, because they weren't in handcuffs and I was crying so much it bothered them. I was given 3 tickets: failure to produce ID, disorderly conduct, and failure to have dog in a container. I have a court date in August. I asked for a pen to write the badge numbers down before I left and they refused to give me a pen and covered up their badges. My pug was returned. They had him behind their desks and were playing with him."
The NYPD press office declined to verify any information about the arrest; the spokesman told us that because these are misdemeanor charges, they "usually don't hear anything about that." Brodigan adds that, "So many people saw what happened that I just would really like for everyone to submit complaints, because this man shouldn't be able to do this to women—to anyone."
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What happened to her pug? Is her pug okay?
Sorry, that was left out by mistake and has been added. She says: "My pug was returned. They had him behind their desks and were playing with him."
A misogynistic Hasid? Now I've seen everything.
you don't say? a hasid said that?
shocker. what would have happened if she was on a bicycle?
I've heard lots about Hasidic men being very derogatory to women. Usually their wife and children, but apparently other ones they're forced to deal with as well.
I think you mean a Shiksa.
Hasids are the absolute worst. Nobody likes them, not even other Jews.
I like them. Also, remember the story from earlier today about the two sanitation workers (father and son) who died on the job? Yeah, they were religious Jews - most likely some form of Hasidim. Without them you'd have been living in your own filth.
CR, you'd defend anyone if they were Jewish. Nevermind who's right or wrong, its all about your imaginary tribe. Go Mets!
Wait a minute there you lost me...
From your comments I can tell that you'd attack Israel no matter what, so let's just agree to disagree on this one, unless you yourself are Jewish, at which point I'm going to defend you no matter whatever imaginary tribe you came out of.
CR, I suppose you like Madoff too, just because he's Jewish.
Wait, why was the cop trying to issue her a ticket in the first place? Because the dog was unleashed?
I'm the first to jump on Police Behaving Badly stories, but we need to read a full account of what happened. As of now, we don't have anything but JDS/Gothamist's post and the woman's side of the story.
Do not forget the eyewitness...
Melissa Randazzo, a speech language pathologist who lives in Williamsburg, witnessed the arrest and tells us, "something about it seemed very wrong. The cop's tone seemed really inappropriate and he kept saying things like, 'Are you going to act like a woman?' She tried to walk away, and then he grabbed her and pushed her against the wall outside the turnstile."
Very true and there might be camera phone photo/video evidence too to corroborate the witnesses.
"As of now, we don't have anything but JDS/Gothamist's post"
Exactly. And Gothamist hasn't always been correct on the whole story in the past (Corner Bistro story for one).
As noted in the post, we did contact the NYPD for a comment and to verify the badge number of the arresting cop, but the NYPD declined to comment about it. As for other eyewitnesses, we'd be happy to hear from them.
"As noted in the post, we did contact the NYPD for a comment and to verify the badge number of the arresting cop"
Let's hope you have it correct. If you've accused someone incorrectly and that person is somehow hurt by your report, you're in a heap of trouble.
Like I stated above, Gothamist ran the Corner Bistro story and when the facts actually came out, they were quite different from the Gothamist sensational account.
"Let's hope you have it correct. If you've accused someone incorrectly and that person is somehow hurt by your report, you're in a heap of trouble."
Not at all. Every statement written in the post is attributed to a witness. Gothamist isn't accusing anyone of anything, they're reporting other peoples' accusations and making it clear that's what they're doing. No possible legal worries in that.
"Every statement written in the post is attributed to a witness."
That doesn't mean it's a true statement.
Suppose someone read this post and then went and harmed the police offier or his family. Then the witness statements turned out to be false? Do you see the ethical problem?
"That doesn't mean it's a true statement."
It does mean, however, that your statement that if it's incorrect "you're in a heap of trouble" is inaccurate.
Ethical problem? No, I don't see one at all. People reported an incident, and Gothamist relayed that report. They asked the NYPD for a response, and they declined to give one. I see no problem with the post, ethically or legally.
Here's another eyewitness report which isn't reflected in the Gothamist articlea at all: http://www.nypost.com/seven/07012009/news/regionalnews/ruff_rider_cursed_cop_176994.htm
Thanks—we wanted to get a comment from Brodigan about these comments. It's in a new post here.
No, because the dog wasn't in the doggy traveling bag.
As per MTA:
"Small domestic pets are permitted on New York City Transit buses and subways and Long Island Bus only when they are carried in kennels or similar containers that can by accommodated by you on your lap without annoyance to other passengers."
Is it not illegal for the cops in question to cover their badges? Funny, given that one of her tickets is for refusing to provide ID which they basically did by covering their badges.
How can a Hasid be a pig? They can't even eat them!
Supposedly his father told him ”If you do it, just do the right thing,“. Good to see he made use of those words of wisdom.
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OMG. This story is so disturbing. If a cop ever took my cat away from me while I was transporting it - especially sick - on the subway - I would probably end up in jail for murdering a cop.
I think you should seek a psychological evaluation.
I was harassed in the subway by a cop for having my dog with me a few years ago, even though she was in a bag as she should be by the MTA rules. It's the NYPD, you can't exactly expect them to be anything but abusive assholes.
Hasidic cop who hates dogs and women? Sounds about par for the course, cop
and Hasidim.
Just another one of New York's finest, displaying their professionalism, maturity, and overall character that gets the city sued for tens of millions of dollars per year!
can we get a petition going to fire that asshole?!!
I will sign.
You should do this to, although the CCRB is just as corrupt as the rest of the NYPD:
https://www.nyc.gov/html/ccrb/html/complaint.html
Damn thug.
why did she bring a sick dog on the train in the first place?
Finally, we're getting down to the real important questions.
Reread. The dog wasn't sick at first- it got sick in the tote in which was originally carrying it, meaning she was obeying the law until the dog started vomiting.
Reread Reread. "She was riding on the L train between Bedford and First Avenue when her pug, who has health problems," Already sick dog doesn't belong on train. Vomiting dog and dog vomit should remain in bag if the owner is inconsiderate enough to bring ill animal in closed subway.
Maybe she was going to the vet. Maybe she couldn't afford a taxi. She sure as hell didn't deserve this kind of treatment.
because her dog has health problems she can't take him on the subway? what if she was going to take him to treatment? what if he never had a problem on the subway before? don't be so close-minded about the situation.
lets see if the papers pick up the story - same as they did when they cheered him on when he joined the nypd.
it reminds me of the taliban fanatics hitting women in street..and frankly isn't that what the Hasidics another shade of, religious fanatics.
Hit the nail on the head.
I'm sure she will have a hefty lawsuit on her side. It's sad that the city may have to pay for this woman hater's brutality. He should be the one made to pay up when the time comes.
yeah, that's not going to happen.
depending on the order in which everything went down, she should not have tried to walk away. just like when you feel you've been improperly given a speeding ticket, you take the citation and fight it in court.
his words weren't called for and his use of force might have been excessive, but if he didn't lay a hand on her until she tried, in essence, to flee, that takes a whole lot of her argument away from her.
and really, no matter how egregious the behavior and unjustified the loyalty may be, the cops are always going to take the cop's side.
According the MTA "Small domestic pets are permitted on New York City Transit buses and subways and Long Island Bus only when they are carried in kennels or similar containers that can by accommodated by you on your lap without annoyance to other passengers. Service animals properly harnessed and accompanying people with disabilities are always welcome in MTA's network."
A vomiting dog is an annoyance and shouldn't be on the train at all. It seems inconsiderate.
Crying about abuse when you were blatantly ignoring and walking away from a police officer is something anyone who grew up in BK knows leads to bruises.
The dog got sick because it overheated on the train. It then threw up in the carrier bag. It wasn't vomiting when she first got on.
She claims the dog already has "health problems." Implying she knew it was already sick.Sick people and sick animals do not belong in closed subway cars. Period.
Bottom line is"a dog out of a carrier is illegal, sick dog is an annoyance, Walking away from officer giving citation allows him to stop you.
Interesting. So anyone who has a chance of getting sick on the train should never get on? Whatev. Not gonna get in a troll fight with you, was just pointing it out.
My intention isn't to take part in an argument. I am a paramedic in Manhattan and I often see people go down into the subway when they are ill, many times it doesn't turn out well. I would think the same for a sick animal.
If there's a chance of someone getting sick there this new profession, I believe they're called doctors that can help you and you get to them by these recently invented vehicles called taxis or ambulances so that you don't spread with "whatev" you have and inconvenience your fellow riders on the subway.
If you're being illegally assaulted by a "police officer" you have every right to defend yourself just as if it were anyone else. Too bad she didn't have a gun.
unfortunately thats not true.
Actually, it is true.
http://www.constitution.org/uslaw/defunlaw.htm
I'm disappointed how many US Citizens have absolutely no clue what their own rights are.
“Citizens may resist unlawful arrest to the point of taking an arresting officer's life if necessary.” Plummer v. State, 136 Ind. 306. This premise was upheld by the Supreme Court of the United States in the case: John Bad Elk v. U.S., 177 U.S. 529. The Court stated: “Where the officer is killed in the course of the disorder which naturally accompanies an attempted arrest that is resisted, the law looks with very different eyes upon the transaction, when the officer had the right to make the arrest, from what it does if the officer had no right. What may be murder in the first case might be nothing more than manslaughter in the other, or the facts might show that no offense had been committed.”
“An arrest made with a defective warrant, or one issued without affidavit, or one that fails to allege a crime is within jurisdiction, and one who is being arrested, may resist arrest and break away. lf the arresting officer is killed by one who is so resisting, the killing will be no more than an involuntary manslaughter.” Housh v. People, 75 111. 491; reaffirmed and quoted in State v. Leach, 7 Conn. 452; State v. Gleason, 32 Kan. 245; Ballard v. State, 43 Ohio 349; State v Rousseau, 241 P. 2d 447; State v. Spaulding, 34 Minn. 3621.
“When a person, being without fault, is in a place where he has a right to be, is violently assaulted, he may, without retreating, repel by force, and if, in the reasonable exercise of his right of self defense, his assailant is killed, he is justified.” Runyan v. State, 57 Ind. 80; Miller v. State, 74 Ind. 1.
“These principles apply as well to an officer attempting to make an arrest, who abuses his authority and transcends the bounds thereof by the use of unnecessary force and violence, as they do to a private individual who unlawfully uses such force and violence.” Jones v. State, 26 Tex. App. I; Beaverts v. State, 4 Tex. App. 1 75; Skidmore v. State, 43 Tex. 93, 903.
“An illegal arrest is an assault and battery. The person so attempted to be restrained of his liberty has the same right to use force in defending himself as he would in repelling any other assault and battery.” (State v. Robinson, 145 ME. 77, 72 ATL. 260).
“Each person has the right to resist an unlawful arrest. In such a case, the person attempting the arrest stands in the position of a wrongdoer and may be resisted by the use of force, as in self- defense.” (State v. Mobley, 240 N.C. 476, 83 S.E. 2d 100).
“One may come to the aid of another being unlawfully arrested, just as he may where one is being assaulted, molested, raped or kidnapped. Thus it is not an offense to liberate one from the unlawful custody of an officer, even though he may have submitted to such custody, without resistance.” (Adams v. State, 121 Ga. 16, 48 S.E. 910).
“Story affirmed the right of self-defense by persons held illegally. In his own writings, he had admitted that ‘a situation could arise in which the checks-and-balances principle ceased to work and the various branches of government concurred in a gross usurpation.’ There would be no usual remedy by changing the law or passing an amendment to the Constitution, should the oppressed party be a minority. Story concluded, ‘If there be any remedy at all ... it is a remedy never provided for by human institutions.’ That was the ‘ultimate right of all human beings in extreme cases to resist oppression, and to apply force against ruinous injustice.’” (From Mutiny on the Amistad by Howard Jones, Oxford University Press, 1987, an account of the reading of the decision in the case by Justice Joseph Story of the Supreme Court.
As for grounds for arrest: “The carrying of arms in a quiet, peaceable, and orderly manner, concealed on or about the person, is not a breach of the peace. Nor does such an act of itself, lead to a breach of the peace.” (Wharton’s Criminal and Civil Procedure, 12th Ed., Vol.2: Judy v. Lashley, 5 W. Va. 628, 41 S.E. 197)
I'm disappointed in those of you who are arguing against the dog in the Subway based on the "health problems" without even considering that "health problems" is too broad of a term to determine what is actually wrong with the animal. It could be something as simple as obesity, hip problems, cataracts, PUG's are notorious for having health problems, doesn't mean it was "ill" necessarily. Hell, I have health problems, does that mean I shouldn't ride a subway? I'm willing to bet 99% of american's have at least one kind of "health problem".
Great Comment, thanks
I am not saying you are wrong in any way, but you have to be careful using snippets from court cases like that. It is very easy to take things out of context, or to pull quotes from a dissent or outdated decision. Also, many of those quotes are from state courts and apply only within that state.
Also keep in mind that there are typically very specific guidelines for when self defense can be claimed (these also vary by state).
What is it with cops? Don't they realize they have to deal with reality and show some CPR?
I know retired cops and also active cops and I must say for the most part they have shit for brains. I would rather call a drunk fireman than a cop if I needed help within three hours.
WELL I THINK THEIR MUST OF BEEN SOME MISTAKE, MANY NYC LIB'S SEE A MAN WITH A BEARD AND SAY 'OH HE IS A JEW' BECASUE THERE ANTISEMIDIC. MORE THEN LIKELY THIS WAS A MUSLIM OFFICER OF THE LAW. WELL IT MAKES SINCE, MUSLIM'S ARE AGAINST DOG'S AND WOMEN, WHERE AS JEW'S ARE VERY OPEN-MINDED, CARING TO ALL ANIMALS INCLUDING WOMEN.
uh oh, looks like someone wandered over from the Post's comment section.
also, what?
ROFLMAO.
Is this some botched attempt at wit or do you actually believe what you're writing?
hey we got a new guy here.
Somebody learned how to use the computer machine today!
Haha this is funny stuff
From your misspellings and speech patterns, it is obvious that you are a Hasid.
This is absolutely disgusting. I feel for the woman and her pug. I run through the Hasidic section of Williamsburg and encounter all kinds of misogyny. I have been followed (luckily I can run faster than them), harassed and spit on. It's a culture of sexism.
"...CARING TO ALL ANIMALS INCLUDING WOMEN."
Taxonomy fail?
Are you people who replied to this guy serious? You still don't know how to recognize internet trolls? Did you just get the internet yesterday? And this is a terrible troll, which actually makes it more successful, in a way, that you people can be trolled with such an obviously bad and amateurish attempt.
Just saying... Trolls, people. If you still don't know about them, check the Wikipedia entry.
I wish some of you anti-semites would wait until the facts of the story come out. In the past, Gothamist has run sensational news items that have turned out to be quite different than reported. See their coverage of the Corner Bistro incident.
No, you can look him up:
http://www.nypost.com/seven/12272006/news/regionalnews/the_kosher_cop_regionalnews_erika_martinez_and_murray_weiss.htm
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3273749,00.html
Best quote: "He wishes to be like any other cop". Guess he got that one
spot on!
Chrisse Brodigan -- Greenpoint resident, pug lover and Blogger for the Huffington Post.
let's take this thing national. maybe get the ACLU involved. which i imagine would be very confusing for them.
Nice work! I felt like there had to be just a little bit more to this story. Looks like she's going to get a nice pay day and big exposure from all of this.
Not that I don't think that there is, without a doubt, police brutality and misogyny going on here, but this raises some very interesting questions about what exactly went on between these two and if she might be exaggerating the whole jail beat down and pug euthanasia, um, just a little tiny bit?
This victim has a hell of a lot more credibility than anything even close to the Corner Bistro incident. Do some searching and you'll figure that out....
Yeah, well the gay guy in the Corner Bistro incident had "credibility" too until the surveillance video came out and showed the entire story. I'm not saying that this didn't happen like reported, I'm saying wait until a more reliable news source reports the facts.
Wait a few minutes, everyone. We're about to get another BIG bad-cop story.
Wow, you're right. Cop car hits people in E.Village. Probably on purpose, most likely since only people of color and poor live on Ave. D.
wait, are you serious about: "Probably on purpose, most likely since only people of color and poor live on Ave. D." ?
OK, so ... how long will it take the paper of record to pick up on this? they're always so way behind on this .... supposedly doing this reeeeeally careful fact checking or something.
Something as in going bankrupt with the cash they're burning.
He said, she said, then the truth. Most likely scenario:
pup barfs, lady gets stopped (attitude of cop uncertain), she throws a fit, cop has bad attitude, escalation, cited results. Who the heck gets locked up for "dog-out-of-bag"? While cop should have used "discretion", her hissy fit is what got her in the jam. Should have just explained, mutual respect, chill situation. Even if you get tagged for a violation (with her extenuating circumstances), fight it in the Admin Court. Chances are that if she didn't throw a fit & do stupid things, no violation would be issued. Bilateral bad communication & result.
Are you kidding? At what point above does it say she threw a hissy fit? Are you sure you're not the cop in question?
http://twitter.com/chrissieb/status/2412067643
"I also wasn't my most graceful"
http://twitter.com/chrissieb/status/2411938396
"I panicked and resisted the arrest"
Eddybegs has just been twated.
Was just proposing a possible, and likely situation. Not based in fact, only in experience and reason. Occam rules!
Exactly dadoc, so what's the simplest explanation? To you, it's that naturally, as a woman, she had a hissy fit. To me, I see it as a natural person's response to being arrested. I'm opposed to the choice of words, which seem unnecessarily biased towards a negative view of women.
Sorry, hissy-fit is a non-gender term to me. Anybody can have a hissy-fit. I've had them. Gender bias accusation fails.
I don't think the natural reaction to an arrest that you truly feel is unwarranted is to escape especially when it occurs in a high traffic area with many witnesses. You probably thought OJ Simpson was innocent too huh when he tried to escape in his SUV.
Yeah maybe if she felt the cop might murder her but I don't think the NYPD is that corrupt yet.
I had a sick pug, I was trying to do the right thing, and it wasn't a normal situation. I asked the officer to give me a ticket, but he went much further and used excessive force. In retrospect - I wish I hadn't been crying so much, but I had sick pug and I was tying to do the right thing and get him out of the subway and to a water source.
I think you read that wrong - she didn't try to escape, the witness was the one that ran to street level. All it says is that she tried to walk away, and it doesn't say at what point in the interaction this happened.
Nothing like abusing your power. Happens all the time. When humans have power over you they think they can whatever they feel like it without being caught or paying the consequences.
Nothing like abusing your power. Happens all the time. When humans have power over you they think they can do whatever they feel like it without being caught or paying the consequences.
"When humans have power over you..."
Are you Gothamist's first extra-terrestrial commenter? Or are you a pug who has heightened dexterity and cognitive functioning?
and she just Twittered that she may actually be somewhat at fault...
http://twitter.com/chrissieb/status/2412067643
"Thank you guys so much for the support - Dempsey & I are both OK. It was a bad situation for all involved. I also wasn't my most graceful."
A day later, home with the pugs, it stands to reason that I feel like I could have handled it better myself. But, in the moment - I was scared to death and it felt like an irrational situation - like, does this really happen in real life? Is this really happening right now?
Dude, just because you freaked out doesn't mean there wasn't an abuse of power and you're not blaming yourself because it's what everyone wants to hear. My husband was recently arrested for riding his bike on the sidewalk (for one block, because the street was closed and there was no one on the sidewalk) - just as ridiculous an offense as yours - and spent the entire night and next day in jail, later to have the charges completely dismissed by the judge because he deemed them ridiculous. While he was there, both he and I were lied to repeatedly by his arresting officer. This happens over and over, and if no one says anything, it'll just keep happening. But if that's what you want, and that's how you feel, go for it.
She looks like she was hysterical. Jesus. She also looks like she's pulling herself out of the officer's grasp: I don't think you're supposed to do that. It also would def explain the brusies.
I think gothamist should post a retraction...or at least try to get another side of the story.
Matty,
Speaking of misogyny, your posts over the last year have been pretty disturbing (slut this, hysterical that). It felt weird being on your side during the election. You voted Democrat, right? I'm recommending you get your head checked.
:S Vanessa
Wow vanessa. I would dare you to find one instance ever of me calling a woman a slut on this board in any instance ever - and do I have to remind you that not just woman are capable of being hysterical?
I think I can have my opinion on this matter without being called a misogynist - but you seem to be in a witch-hunt mode (no that wasn't a sexist reference either) so I guess while you should also call me a pro-israeli zionist who doesn't recognize palestine, right? You know, me blindly supporting the jewish officer in this case and all...
But seriously, it looks as though she's acting out and she admits as much in the posts above and was arrested for it. I don't understand how my interpretation of this situation has anything at all to do with her sex. It just doesn't. I am merely judging from the actions presented here.
Further you can read my views on the Anthony Abbate case - the former cop who beat a woman in a chicago tavern - I feel like he should not only have been jailed for it but I think he should spend the rest of his life doing community service in a battered women's shelter. But you didn't read that did you. No you'd rather just make slanderous remarks about my character with nothing to back it up with.
http://chicagoist.com/2009/06/23/abbate_avoids_jail_time.php
I'll be sure to label you as something you aren't next time I feel like it - cause that is what people on messageboards do, correct?
Matty,
I've read plenty of your comments, got this impression of you before and just kept my mouth shut. I'm not on a witch hunt, nor am I hysterical. Gothamist doesn't list all of your comments since you've been commenter, so I'm unable to quote you.
I'd love to be wrong about you. I am a fan of Mr Blobby.
Vanessa
p.s. Even if the woman WAS hysterical (though I don't think you can determine that from the photos) does that mean the cop had the right to say, "Do you wanna talk like a woman? Do you wanna get knocked around like a woman?" What if the cop had said to a "hysterical" black man, "You gonna act like a black man? Do you wanna get knocked around like a black man?" Would you still be defending the cop?
Well not only are you wrong, it's baseless, hurtful and a low blow. You can't go around calling people things like that without something to back it up.
So I'll kindly ask you - not as a woman but as a human being - to go fuck yourself.
Yeah, interesting that you didn't answer my question.
Just to be clear - Officer Witriol was angry that I didn't have ID. When I attempted to find a credit card bill in my bag he yelled at me - his perception was that I was being belligerent by not producing ID. As he found out later when he emptied my bags - I really didn't have my wallet on me.
When he started yelling, "If you're going to act like a woman, I'm going to treat you like a woman" my internal panic button went off. In turning away from him to set my dog down on the ground - he went beyond a point of being in control - he was terrifying and having never been arrested in my life and under great humiliation in front of a large crowd and scared for my dog who was no longer in my arms or control, I had nothing short of an anxiety attack.
I don't envy his job, but to lose composure in a situation as simple as this one and to be extreme in behavior towards a woman because she's a woman and because she's crying - it seems like he could have used better judgement.
Could I have cried less or been a better victim? I'm not sure, I was scared and I felt unsafe.
To leave me handcuffed in a cell at the transit police station - with two other women who weren't handcuffed - again, seems like an intention to terrorize.
Confirmed. Bad interaction all around. Best is hoped for to all parties.
Dadoc is an troll, she did nothing wrong. She was concerned for her dog and the cop abused her. It is obviously that you don't only support animal cruelty but women abuse.
Good, he's probably a fuckin scumbag - everyone knows most of the hasidic culture is disgustingly filthy, misogynistic , rude, selfish and ignorant.
I was just talking about this with someone this past weekend, how if the cops stop you, and you don't have ID on you, they can detain you for 24 hours. Don't know if that's true, but the people who think this woman should have handled the situation better never think they themselves will ever be stopped by police.
chrissie, be smart, get a lawyer and don't argue your case here on Gothamist. Whatever you say here can't help your case, and can be used against you in court.
That is the worst attempt to use the "im a woman with boobs" card ever.
Rules are rules.
Dogs must be in a container (unless you are a woman that is crying?)
You must have identification (unless you are a woman that is crying?)
I don't think so bag lady.
What police state did you wander in from? There's no law requiring you to carry ID.
Chrissie, I'm so sorry you had to go through this and I'm glad you are both OK. PLEASE find yourself a lawyer - chances are the DA's office will not pursue this, but you never know.
Her bruises in the pictures say enough to me. No one should end up that bruised and battered for carrying a sick pug in the subway. (I have a pug, and I know how the heat can get to them and how they have to have air to breath. I would have done the same in carrying him if he were sick.)
And I know men like this. Most of the extreme fundamentalist religions treat women like chattel. His comments to her simply revealed the culture this man grew up in.
Is he able to really pick his battles and show grace when the religion he follows is black and white and if you don't follow the rules -- even the minor ones -- you are going straight to hell? I am just wondering. I'm not so sure he will be able to. It's just how he was raised and how he thinks. I'm NOT an anti-semite. I love the Jewish people. I just know how extreme fundamentalism thinks, and how it doesn't know the meaning of bending the rules, or letting minor things go. Every. Single. Thing. Matters. And must be punished.
And women aren't allowed to matter. They are nothing more than bothersome property. That's probably why Chrissie ended up in a cell to be beat up by other prisoners.
How awful. I hope this does get picked up by the media. This can't happen again. And mark my words, if this guy remains a cop -- it will.
Jeeezz, here we go. Sexism, fundamentalism, persecution of pug owners, Godwin coming in 3,2,1. No intelligent conversation to be found here. Out of here, this is only gonna get worse. "They came for the geese...", Future Taliban kicks in, pissflpas pees on it, Felix posts links to spoon-fed videos, etc. Boring. See you guys next week.
the woman is a nutcase. everybody knows here in the hood. i'm not blaming her. i blame the lack of care for mentally disturbed people.
Agreed. Anyone that's met this woman knows she's got more than a few screws loose. I'm not saying the NYPD didn't mess up, but I'd guess she made it into the disaster it is now.
haha, and now the dirt really comes out. tell us, adrian and notyourfriend, tell us all about this "nutcase" you speak of.
That third picture looks like the other officers are reprimanding Witriol for using too much force.
Do you see the look of surprise on their faces?
What a prick this schmuck.
I did think that too. This incident reminded me of the Michael Mineo case. I was skeptical of Mineo's claims at first but then it was reported that a transit cop supported his allegations against NYPD officers. Will be interesting once witnesses to this arrest come forward.
The bruise in the lower-right hand corresponds with the way he is holder her wrist in the second picture.
Sorry, but the bruising, while I'm sure it pinched, doesn't tell a helluva lot. I've been in training simulations where I've been cuffed and pulled to the ground and bruised as a result - but the force was not excessive. When you're trying to control an unruly person, bruises will occur.
Bruises really depend on the person. One of my ex girlfriends, to her disagreement, just happened to bruise very easily.
Also, that is one gigantic mofo of a cop.
Can we stop with the cries of misogyny.
This happens to probably ten guys for every one girl. And it's always wrong.
I don't think it takes much of a genius to realize a female with a pug is not much of a threat on the subway.
Fuck these pigs
Some of the comments here are downright hateful.
Hardly anything new on the internet - But when you consider that the readers of this site consider themselves "open minded" and "tolerant" it makes you wonder what these people are really like and what kind of attitudes they hold.
I'm curious if anyone can link me to a gothamist story about a black person or a muslim where the comments descended into such venom.
'Tolerance' is such an ironic and vacuous term, nowadays. You're only as tolerant as the ACLU says you are: which is to say, tolerant of all except, of course, of those who disagree with you. Neo-libs at their finest...
You're giving the commenters on this site WAY too much credit. In my experience, if the comments on a Gothamist new story have not descended into venom, it's usually because no one has commented yet.
She just looks guilty.
The dog wasn't sick when she boarded the train. The article states the dog has "health problems," which may have contributed to the dog overheating, but the train car may also have been just unusually hot.
Wow, I've actually never seen a Hasid cop before. But hey, I guess why not...? Though I couldn't see a Buddhist cop shooting someone.
That guy is the first and probably still the only one ever.
Hasids have no right to be cops, they're fucking idiots who believe their children are sinninf if they don't shave their heads except for 2 girls. They're fucking greedy disgusting pigs and blindly and ignorantly follow some bullshit code.
Its PUNK cops like this I just LOVE to hear about in the news that get clipped in the line of duty!
RT
www.complete-privacy.tk
I hope Gothamist follows up on this story. We need to know more about Witriol's vitriol. I wouldn't be surprised if his reaction was partially because he thought she was dressed "immodestly." Also, many if not most NYC Hasids don't like dogs, which explains Witriol's violent reaction to the incident.
I'm pretty sure this is the first time I've seen the actual subject of the article comment on it, and actually enter the conversation. That's like web 2.5 right there.
I not only took the pictures shown here in the article, but also witnessed the entire thing.
The officer acted inhumanely.
First of all, the entire quote should read,"Do you wanna talk like a woman? Do you wanna get knocked around like a woman?"
I don't care about any of the arguments about bringing a dog or a sick dog or whatever on the subway. This is unacceptable.
he obviously knew he was doing something wrong because he continually tried to block my view once he saw I was taking pictures. He would not give his badge number and was rough with her to an extreme that was not needed.
There was an air of arrogance with the police that showed up afterward. They refused to let me give her my contact information and didn't care to take any statements even though I said I was going to file a complaint.
It was the action of a gang, not a group of people who are supposed to protect us.
word - the 67th SUCKS. How many times have I called and they never answer - or you leave a message and they never call you back - or they menance you in the streets giving out tickets or just staring you down - I miss the old time cops that used to be there, nowadays its a mess.
The fight for women's rights will be won when we finally take religions to task for oppressing them.
While Jews in general have the highest average I.Q. score of any ethnic group in the world,* 115 according to some estimates, the Hasidim tend to be quite a bit lower. It could be the result of interbreeding.
* = with the possible exception of the Brahmin caste from southern India
last time some one pushed the racial superiority argument, millions of people who considered themselves jewish died - I dont think we want to ressurect the x in general have the highest average I.Q. score of any ethnic group line of thinking.
It's crazy comment hour!
Your an idiot. You cannot take such a small sample and turn it into a statistic. Jews make up .01% of the population.
You can have three geniuses in your club and all of a sudden you're all geniuses! OMFGFTWBBQ WOW!1
PS You're name is Roman Catholic.
I'm just throwing this out there but maybe religion does not have a place in this story and this Witriol is just an asshole that should be fired tomorrow.
Baloney. Religion and misogyny have gone hand in hand since female circumcision and burqas were invented, and Eve was first blamed for original sin. Today's religions hate women, period. Haven't you noticed there aren't any female rabbis or priests or prophets? Religion as we know it today was invented to take spiritual practice and magic out of the hands of women and put it into the hands of men. Prior to the "modern" Bronze age religions in practice today, mother goddesses and female fertility had significant places in ritual - but now whenever women get uppity, they are beat down as witches or whores. It's a sad thing that such vile superstitious and misogynist practices and customs as were born in the ancient Middle East have gained so much ground all over the world today. I think we'd have all been better off worshipping Greek or Roman gods and goddesses over the monotheistic cults still thriving today.
Amen! Thank you!
This is an example of a situation that should never have happened. With all due respect, Brodigan should have had an ID. Usually anybody with no ID gets fingerprinted and ID'd as procedure. A bill is not valid ID on the street. A suspended license is better than that. Lesson learned, no ID get's you to the tombs, unless you are lucky. Regardless of the officer responding, the chances of ending up in handcuffs is extremely high in that case.
However, based on personal observations, it is not a shock that this officer behaved the way he did. I say that not as an excuse, it is entirely unprofessional. I have seen way less aggressiveness in more extreme cases. As a matter of fact, I take pride of being a new yorker with a police force that generally is well educated and is allowed a generous amount of discretion. In most cases it works out in best interest. In this case it seems that the officer had prejudgement's (to say the least) about the situation. Maybe Brodigan's response aggravated that.
It seems it is a case of both. A match can spark a fire, but it takes something flammable to ignite. Both individuals may have learned something.
HOWEVER, based on the reports, it does seem that the officer was over aggressive and judgmental. And to think that culture and gender was at the root, this is terribly horrific. As reported it seems racist and sexist of the officer. It's not t hat hard to convince me it is true.
This is just upsetting. I have plenty of friends and family that are in the NYPD and I hear about stuff like this all the time. I'm actually aspiring to get into the force, and stories like this just turn me away. Nonsense like this is why my uncle retired.
I guess the shit-head-syndrome of SOME LA cops has spread to SOME of New Yorks finest. That cop is an asshole and he should get his breast fondled and pinched as well. Fuckin prick.
Dude no one grabbed this chick's floppy boobs. If they were touched in any way it was due to her resisting arrest for blatently voilating the rules of conduct of the MTA, AND not carrying an ID.
This woman can't do whatever she wants and yell "he grabbed my boobs" when something doesn't turn out for her.
i wasn't there, but I'm just assuming that it was one part crazy lady, one part 95 degrees, and one part dumbass cop.
Let's say, for argument's sake, that the woman was crazy (I highly doubt it, but let's just say so) does that excuse the cop for threatening to "knock her around like a woman.?"
Quote from witness:
"Do you wanna talk like a woman? Do you wanna get knocked around like a woman?"
This is weird because a few weeks ago a pair of cops gave me a hard time with my dog. It was in the York Street stop in DUMBO. My dog was in my bag and I unzipped it a little just so I could pet her, but she remained in the bag. They spent about a half an hour scolding me about it, a small crowd formed and I had to miss three trains. After multiple passerbys defending me and asking the police if they had anything better to do, they finally let me go and I was able to get on the train. For some reason, NYPD are cracking down on people and their dogs.
This girl can't catch a break!
FYI this over emotional nutcase: If you get stopped by a NYC police officer while COMMITTING A CRIME, you do not get to complain, whine, or go on and on about your rights, WALK AWAY (which she was clearly attempting to do), or otherwise be a belligerent, entitled piece of shit. The first thing to do is to say you're sorry, it won't happen again, I didn't know etc. He may not write you a ticket. But if you start to throw even the tiniest hissy fit, you are DEFINITELY getting a ticket. If you don't have ID, you will more than likely be taken to jail.
I've been stopped in the subway a few times, each time with my dog walking on a leash, not even in a bag. I've only been caught once, and yeah the cop was a belligerent dick, but I just said I was really sorry and I didn't know it was illegal, she's just a puppy etc. etc. He didn't ask for ID, just told me to get out of the station. Luckily the station was where I was getting off anyway.
And if the cops say:
"Do you wanna talk like a woman? Do you wanna get knocked around like a woman?"
then that's okay?
Didn't she know it's a "rats only" subway?
Frankly this whole story shocks me, not because of the police officer, but because of the attitude of this poor excuse for a woman.
Lets see if we can break it down.
1. She cries foul when a police officer detains her.
2. She then exaggerates her point by adding about him handcuffing her. THAT'S WHAT THEY DO TO PEOPLE WHO DON'T LISTEN.
3. She then blows up about him "pinching her breasts in the scuffle". UM, HELLO? WHY WERE YOU RESISTING ARREST AND SCUFFLING?? LISTEN TO THE OFFICER AND FOLLOW DIRECTIONS AND THAT WOULD NEVER HAVE HAPPENED.
4. She cries about bringing her pug, without a proper crate, on the subway. EARTH TO DUMBASS - YOU CAN'T BRING PETS ON THE SUBWAY (unless your pug is a seeing eye dog, hmmmm?).
5. The only crime here is she acts like an irrational emotional idiot. You got ticketed for a misdemeanor that YOU DESERVED. You should have shut up, taken your ticket and left. NOT ARGUE. NOT FIGHT THE OFFICER. NOT IGNORE DIRECTIONS.
Amazing that anyone would even sympathize with this fool. How about saying "I'm sorry officer, I didn't know I couldn't have brought a dog on the subway."
I bet that would have gotten you out of your ticket instead you act like a typical jerk New Yorker and got slapped with 3 tickets instead. You deserved it!!!
PH2 you sure do seem ignorant. First by calling her "a poor excuse of a woman" your clearly not getting her main complaint. The rest just shows your ignorance. end of...
i think PHP is speaking to the lack of upfront accountability Chrissie showed. which, like it or not, is the clear case.
bad cop + bad citizen = great for gothamist comment traffic!
Um, dumbass, you CAN bring pets on the subway.
well, yes and no. there's that whole CONTAINER issue, which photographic evidence would insist wasn't being followed.
from NYC MTA's Rules of Conduct
Except as otherwise provided in paragraph (2) of this subdivision, no person may bring any animal on or into any conveyance or facility unless enclosed in a container and carried in a manner which would not annoy other passengers.
Paragraph (1) of this subdivision does not apply to working dogs for law enforcement agencies, to service animals, or to animals which are being trained as service animals and are accompanying persons with disabilities, or to animals which are being trained as service animals by a professional trainer. All service animals and animals being trained as service animals must be harnessed or leashed.
Upon request by a police officer or designated employee of the Authority, a trainer must display proof of affiliation with a professional training school and that the animal is a licensed service animal or an animal being trained as a service animal. Upon request of a police officer or designated Authority personnel, a passenger must provide evidence that an animal claimed to be a service animal and thus exempt from the provisions of paragraph (1) of this subdivision qualifies as such or is being trained as a service animal. Such evidence may be supplied through: the display of a service animal license issued by the Department of Health of the City of New York or by other governmental agencies in New York or elsewhere authorized to issue such licenses, the display of an identification from a professional training school that the animal is a trained service animal, the presence of a harness or a marking on a harness, or the credible verbal assurances of the person with a disability using the service animal or animal being trained as such. For purposes of this paragraph, credible verbal assurances may include a description of one or more tasks that the animal performs or is being trained to perform for the benefit of the person with a disability.
As an alternative to any of the methods described in paragraph (3) of this subdivision for providing evidence that an animal meets the definition of service animal, persons with disabilities who use service animals who do not have a service animal license or other written documentation that the accompanying animal is a service animal may apply to the Metropolitan Transportation Authority for a service animal identification card.
Law enforcement officers or designated Authority personnel have the right to refuse admission to or eject any passenger accompanied by an animal, including a service animal, which poses a direct threat to the safety of other passengers.
Sorry, wasn't actually replying to you - replying to the original comment.
you mean i'm not a dumbass!
it's like graduating from 6th grade all over again!
It is easy for some people to be obtuse and reactionary and side with the police and it is easy for other people get upset about it.
It is very clear though: the people in this online discussion who side with nypd are either cops or sheltered idiots. I read about these stories all the time and as much as I realize that being a cop is a grey area, if you don't accept that the culture of nypd is to treat people as subhuman, you are an idiot.
The police in this city are trained at the academy to handle civilians in a condescending and negative respect. They treat people like garbage. There are nice cops, I have dealt with them but unfortunately, they are in the minority.
The 83rd precinct has cops, for example, that turn tricks with prostitutes on my block, they rough up people for fun and take bribes on a regular basis. They are thugs who realized that they could take a few college courses, take some tests, get a badge and carry a gun. This could be viewed as anecdotal evidence but as someone who has lived in NY my whole life (unlike an imbecile like P2H) I've seen it all the time, for years.
One night, you will be run into someone like PO Sonobrio (of the 83rd precinct) who is a criminal and a thug. You might end up handcuffed to a hospital bed and you will realize that they are not here to protect and serve.
"Brodigan should have had an ID"
No.
Yes.
"Brodigan should have had an ID"
No.
in response to P2H-
wow. it's 2009 and men like you are still trying to uphold the notion of female hysteria. How does becoming emotional-especially in a horrible and THREATENING situation-automatically make someone a "crazy lady"? come on guys. that's a bullshit excuse straight out of the Victorian ages and deliberate sexism. No wonder you side with the filthy Hasid. Maybe you wouldn't have cried if this happened to you, Mr. Smooth, but I sure as hell bet you would have pissed your little pants.
unless the case was that she overreacted, which at this point seems worth considering.
also, extra credit for backing your pro-women stance with a chaser of anti-semitism.
it's not anti-semitism - it's anti-disgusting filthy selfish idiot
All he was saying is that if she was there in the subway, who was cooking dinner?
Chill out feminazi
"No wonder you side with the filthy Hasid."
way to make your idiotic point sound even more valid.
Sorry, but this story seems way to lopsided.
spread the word, make a complaint
http://www.nyc.gov/html/ccrb/html/contact.html
spread the word, make a complaint
http://www.nyc.gov/html/ccrb/html/contact.html
the more i consider this, the more it seems like she spazzed out. if this was florida, the cop probably would have straight tasered her ass.
conclusion: they're both dicks.
also, here's a tip: if you are traveling with a sick pet around NYC, call a pet-friendly car service... CUT TO: there are no pet-friendly car services in this city, blah blah blah
...or go ahead and break the law and freak out when the cops call you on that shit.
at this point, i don't think the cop said "if you are going to act like a woman...". i think he probably said "if you are going to act like a CRAZY woman..."
1. This is horrible, and I sure hope it gets broader coverage than Gothamist.
2. Clearly there's some pent up hatred of Hasidic folk here (in the comments). According to the account and photos there were multiple officers there, and they apparently did nothing to stop or intervene. It's a group of guys behaving like misogynistic assholes, all but one not Hasidic. Do I happen to think that the Hasidic belief system is dripping with sexist crap? Oh hell yes. But trying to paint this incident wholly with that brush seems off base.
3. Pugs are a messed up breed of dog. With all the health problems that plague 'em, I sometimes think it's cruel to keep breeding the little bundles of sick. There, I said it.
Forgetting for a moment about what did or didn't occur in this particular case which has all been hashed out above, I propose to offer some advice about how to avoid these kinds of hassles in the future:
1) Carry ID. You normally don't need it but if you happened to get stopped by the cops and issued a ticket, having ID could be the difference between getting a ticket and walking free or getting cuffed and brought in for prints to get identified. If you are one of those anti-ID folks, that's cool, but don't be surprised if you get arrested for a minor infraction where normally a summons would be issued. No cop in his right mind is going to issue a summons without knowing who he is issuing it to.
2) If you are being arrested, chill out. Yes it's understandable that you don't want to be arrested, yes it's not a pleasant experience to be placed in handcuffs, but at the end of the day, it's not the end of the world. Take a breath, shut your mouth (i.e. exercise your first amendment right to silence because at this point anything you say is not going to be helpful to your defense), and be compliant. If you struggle or resist or try to walk away, you will only cause force to be used to place you under arrest and then potentially have charges of resisting arrest tacked on. Not worth it. You'll only go to jail tired.
3) When being booked, do answer any pedigree questions you are asked. You can play the "I'm not giving you my name" game if you want, but it will only delay your court appearance and thus your release on bond as no judge is going to release you if he/she doesn't know who you are.
4) If there was improper conduct by the police during the course of your arrest, first file a complaint with CCRB and then find yourself a junkyard dog lawyer and sue sue sue! Keep in mind that improper conduct does not include using reasonable force necessary to effect a legal arrest, but does include unnecessary or unreasonable force beyond what was necessary to effect the arrest.
NY Post has an article about this now with new information (a conflicting witness report): http://www.nypost.com/seven/07012009/news/regionalnews/ruff_rider_cursed_cop_176994.htm
So the NY Post of all places is the only media outlet to have this part of the "story," huh? In that case it has at least a ten percent chance of being true.
There is an article in the Daily News. More of the same.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_crime/2009/07/01/2009-07-01_dogtoting_woman_says_cop_ruffed_her_up_in_subway.html
Reading through the comments is evident that many here love animals more then humans who belong to a specific religion, you are bunch of bigots and racists, Brodigan is known in the neighborhood as the crazy lady, but yesterday she has shown her true colors, she's a nasty antisemite who cursed Officer Witriol with antisemitic slurs, and there are wittiness's, she may be mentally challenged, but so are most antisemites on this blog....
Officer Witriol, keep up your great work, you are an assest to the New York Finest. I hope you can take more of this trash off the streets.
Kudos to PTH for your great post.
And if haven't read the article in today's NY post then check it out here. http://www.nypost.com/seven/07012009/news/regionalnews/ruff_rider_cursed_cop_176994.htm
"No cop in his right mind is going to issue a summons without knowing who he is issuing it to."
I can't comment on how police think, but from a rational viewpoint, are you saying that cops should all arrest people who they summons but don't have ID?
Baloney.
Beyond the civil rights implications of that, it's a great way to waste public resources.
PS - regarding this new witness the post story mentions, where is the "carrying case"?
PPS - Police have guns and the right to deprive people of their liberty. Because of that, they have to be held to a higher standard of behaviour (in terms of language and attitude) than the general public. I'm not saying people should go around breaking the law, but cursing is not illegal and shouldn't result in jail.
F' the pigs. F' your story books.
i would like to hear this story from the dog's point of view. will someone be interviewing him?
also...wait...cops can't have beards? wow that sucks. long since past are the days of frank "paco" serpico.
I takesies-backsies my initial effort to defend this woman.
It is clear from reading everything she is an insane bag lady who was on her way to buy bulk kitty litter and Whiskas.
Tofurky FTW!
From the NY Post article:
"I don't remember saying anything anti-Semitic,"
Hmm that's a very strangely worded statement. Either she did or she didn't. It's not like it happened that long ago. That sounds like the kind of thing you would say if you wanted to deny something without really denying it. She certainly doesn't deny saying anything anti-Semitic, she just says she doesn't remember doing so. Big difference.
jt, Brodigan herself mentioned that she had the dog in a carrying case, then took it out. See original post. Also, cursing is not why she went to jail. Having a dog in the subway in violation of the law and then not being able to ID herself is why she went to jail. Yeah I know it's not a much better reason but there it is. I am presuming that the only reason she was transported to the station house or wherever is so that she could be ID'd before being released on summonses.
BTW to clarify, when I say carrying case I mean the "tote bag" described in the original post, which I presume is the messenger bag seen on Brodigan in the photos.
oh look another version from miss mental. now she was trying to wander off with puke in the purse to find a pay phone.
i'm looking forward to her future versions of what happened. i'd love something with "the voices told me..."
I offer a hardy welcome to all the new first time posters.
the Sheriff is a BOONNNNNG
http://www.nypost.com/seven/07012009/news/regionalnews/ruff_rider_cursed_cop_176994.htm
Funny how Gohamist quotes the one eyewitness who says the cops were wrong and fails to quote the eyewintess who said:
"But a witness, Viane Delgado, said Brodigan was the one out of line. Delgado said Witriol "repeatedly" asked the woman to place the barking pug in a carrier she had. But instead, she allegedly insulted him with anti-Semitic slurs and tried to walk away.
"You f---ing Jew, you're not even human," Delgado quoted Brodigan as saying.
She repeatedly said, "Jewish people think they own everything," a source said."
We posted this article before the NY Post, so it's not that we didn't selectively quote the post, we just had different eyewitnesses.
"Hmm that's a very strangely worded statement. Either she did or she didn't."
I think that's a very reasonable and honest way of describing what the thinks now, as opposed to the people who are adamant that they did nothing wrong and spin things their own way even when they are unsure. Given that she was apparently hysterical, I can understand her knowing now her memory is not good -- so she gave an honest answer.
"Having a dog in the subway in violation of the law and then not being able to ID herself is why she went to jail. "
Is that the focus of complaints here, or is it about the cop's behavior?
And even so, do you think that's a good use of public resources: break the law in any way w/o ID and go to jail?
Great.
welcome to planet earth.
"break the law in any way w/o ID and go to jail?"
YES! Prosecuting those who violate the law IS a good use of public resources.
I don't understand why you don't get this. Is it because you are an illegal? Hmm? Do you understand the words that are being discussed here? English?? Hello?
I'm not believing anyone named Degado, sorry it's the truth. I would believe that those words may come out of her mouth and not the dog owner's.
I'm just sayin.
I've not said one way or the other if I think it's a great use of public resources. I'm just saying that's what happened.
Some pretty serious allegations have been made against the police. Since I wasn't there I can only go by witness statements. Brodigan and the NYPD both have dogs in this hunt so that has to be taken into account when parsing any statements they make. My problem is that some of Brodigan's statements undercut her credibility with regard to her accusations. I mean she can't remember what she said to the cop but she can clearly remember what he said to her? It doesn't allow me to take her story at face value without some critical evaluation, that's all.
I simply suspect that the truth lies somewhere in between her story and what will be NYPD's story when/if they eventually respond. In other words, there was probably some asshattery committed by both parties.
I've not said one way or the other if I think it's a great use of public resources. I'm just saying that's what happened.
Some pretty serious allegations have been made against the police. Since I wasn't there I can only go by witness statements. Brodigan and the NYPD both have dogs in this hunt so that has to be taken into account when parsing any statements they make. My problem is that some of Brodigan's statements undercut her credibility with regard to her accusations. I mean she can't remember what she said to the cop but she can clearly remember what he said to her? It doesn't allow me to take her story at face value without some critical evaluation, that's all.
I simply suspect that the truth lies somewhere in between her story and what will be NYPD's story when/if they eventually respond. In other words, there was probably some asshattery committed by both parties.
why would the NYPD respond/comment to a minor incident like that. miss puke-in-her-purse is better advised to hire a psychiatrist than of a lawyer.
there is nothing serious about this "story." talk to me when the cops shoot an unarmed perp or run a squad car into a baby carriage.
I've not said one way or the other if I think it's a great use of public resources. I'm just saying that's what happened.
Some pretty serious allegations have been made against the police. Since I wasn't there I can only go by witness statements. Brodigan and the NYPD both have dogs in this hunt so that has to be taken into account when parsing any statements they make. My problem is that some of Brodigan's statements undercut her credibility with regard to her accusations. I mean she can't remember what she said to the cop but she can clearly remember what he said to her? It doesn't allow me to take her story at face value without some critical evaluation, that's all.
I simply suspect that the truth lies somewhere in between her story and what will be NYPD's story when/if they eventually respond. In other words, there was probably some asshattery committed by both parties.
she's a dumbass. she resisted arrest, hence the bruises. then she went on an anti-semetic rant like some dog-obsessed mel gibson and then didn't get preferential treatment from the cops. should we be surprised?
this is not even close to being a story.
I am a fellow hassid, so I can speak with some authority here.
Though I dont know Witriol personally, word in the hassid'hood is that he is a decent guy who is serious about his job.
'Wordly' Hassids like Witriol (and me), have no problems dealing with women or dogs. We function quite well in general society. We only do the freaky hassid stuff when we are within the tribe.
I theorize that the explanation of Witriol's comment; "If you act like a woman I will treat you like a woman" is based on the fact the Witriol's brain thinks in Yiddish. Sometimes when you think in Yiddish and verbalize in English the wires get a little crossed. This happens to me all the time. What Witriol was probably thinking was "If you act like a 'mentch' I will treat you like a 'mentch'". This is a common Yiddish phrase. I don't have to explain to any New Yorker (even the Goys) what a 'mentch' is. The literal translation of 'mentch' is 'man'. Here, Witriol had to switch the gender on the fly. So what came out was: "If you act like a woman (female 'mentch') I will treat you like one".
This is just a guess, but an educated one.
I am glad that a truer picture of poor Chrissie is starting to emerge.
In the end we are all going to have to acknowledge that when you mix a nutjob with and attitude and a cop with a standard issue ego you are going to get blog fodder. Let's leave ethnicity out of this.
shouldn't you be procreating?
doesn't "mentch" come from the german word "mensch" and the translation is "human being"?
just my two german pfennigs. i love riding the subway and listen to yiddish conversations which are mostly easy to understand for german speakers.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mentch
Good point, he may have meant, stop acting stupid and I will treat you respectfully.
As stated, those that abuse animals also abuse people. No surprise to me this officer abuse her and risk the life of the dog. Also no surprise that the same commenters that rejoice yesterday about the gassing of the geese also make nasty comments here (dadoc, valeriob,hotstepper, snoopy et ). I hope she sues the department for the abuse and for mental stress. I would have gone ballistic if the police took my sick pet and threatened to take it to the pound. i would even cry for my pet's safety. it has nothing to do with her gender. Humans cry. However this shitty bitch cop should not manhandle a woman and grab her breast. he grab her breasts because that how he thinks women should be treated. If I ever see this cop, I will give him an earful. no doubt about that.
fag
She brought a dog with health issues on the train. What is your opinion of that?
But I don't know if the dog was sick before she took the guy unto the train but perhaps the train was hot and overcrowded and he became sick. Taxis are expensive to ride everyday and some taxi drivers refuse to take you with a dog. I use pet chauffeur to take my cats to the vet. But once my cat had a urinary tract infection and I called for car service but none was available. I took him unto the train and I have his carrier opened so I could stroke and comfort him.
Would your comments be different if this was a sick baby on a stroller (which is not permitted)? Would this nasty cop treat her differently if she has a sick baby and not a sick dog? I know Hasidic think dogs are filthy and they are in general very cruel to animals. They even swing chickens in the air. sickening
http://www.upc-online.org/kaparos/82208wingprayer.html
Here you come out of left field with chickens. CHICKENS!
It's not a sick baby, it is an allegedly sick dog.
What if? What if I just wanted to take my albino alligator on the 4 train?
We all know how you feel about jews so let's not let this post get to 300 comments.
Valeriob, stop deflecting, not only are you homophobic but you hate animals and enjoy the misery of others. There are no alligators on the train, your remarks are very juvenile. Find one comment that states I hate jews, I am no racist. I believe all specie have the right to life and dignity.
SNAKES ON A PLANE?
If you're intending to pursue a lawsuit related to this incident, I would highly recommend that you stop writing anything online about it.
If you're intending to pursue a lawsuit related to this incident, I would highly recommend that you stop writing anything online about it.
Nope, she's probably just going to blog about and get better exposure for her carreer at the HuffPo. Nice move, Chrissie!
"YES! Prosecuting those who violate the law IS a good use of public resources."
There are forms of prosecution other than jail - and the associated costs of taking someone in - such as giving a summons. That's my point.
"I don't understand why you don't get this. Is it because you are an illegal? Hmm? Do you understand the words that are being discussed here? English?? Hello?"
Thanks for the paragraph above. It makes my day.
" there was probably some asshattery committed by both parties. "
Yeah, quite likely.
But it's not illegal to be obnoxious. As I said, if you have the power to arrest people and shoot people, you should be held to a higher standard.
"She tried to walk away..."
but it is illegal to resist arrest. if you are driving and a cop pulls you over would you just drive off? the same applies when a cop stops you on foot. you lose your chance at moral indignation when you can't follow the basic rule of law.
gothamist hall of fame, here we come!
So Chrissie, did he actually grab your breast and pinch them or is this an exaggeration? It seems that you're trying to smooth over some of the rather remarkable (beaten up in jail, too?) accusations you have made all over the internet.
If you are making claims of a sexual assault, you better be serious about it, because if you are not, you are diminishing the gravity of sexual assaut for all those who have acyually been a victim.
Get your damn story in line, because you're beginning to sound like an entitled finger pointing brat who is obviously going to benefit from all the media exposure, being that you're a blogger and all.
totally! photos of bruises on the boobs or it didn't happen!
Yup, she was fondled and rapped while her helpless sick dog was watching....
TMZ is reporting she is pregnant from the encounter!
Also, where the fuck is Al Sharpton?
he is till doin' the bump'n'grind uptown i guess.
That just made me vomit like a sick overheated pug.
I'm not surprised. Many Hasidic men hate women (especially their wives) and, as I recall when I was still living in NYC, the worst offenders of groping women on the subway. 90 degrees, in big wool suits, stinky, and rubbing up against you on the subway. Ick.
They are also the worst drivers - ever. I can't tell you how many times they almost creamed me while I was riding my motorcycle - seems stop signs and red lights are only for us goyum.
what's the connection between rabid feminists and anti-semitism? this is new for me, do explain.
I think it's more a matter of the natural (and mutual) animosity between feminists on the political left and religious fundamentalists of all stripes.
This is one classic liberal, looking to get compassion from her peers, through fabricating a story about that breasts and dogs were attacked, she knows the libs are very sensitive when it comes to breasts and dogs.
And I hope this bigot will end up in the thumbs where she belongs.
Pugs on a Train!
I am prohibited from solicitation by the Rules of Professional Responsibility, but speaking as an anonymous attorney, I would gladly represent this woman in a suit against the city.
You are a dirtbag SOB ambulance chaser.