The Post, which basically called war on Canada geese after Flight 1549, continues to cover the geese culling/killing, reporting that 300 geese have been killed on Monday and Tuesday: "Death squads targeting Canada geese before they bring down any more commercial jets launched an amphibious assault on Fort Totten Park in Queens -- where they used an armada of kayaks to herd the flying menaces to the shore. Workers from the US Department of Agriculture and city Parks Department then rounded up gaggles of the pesky honkers, put them in crates and drove them on a flatbed truck to a secret location at Kennedy Airport. Officials wouldn't say if they were gassed there or transported to another location to meet their doom." And there are pictures, too. The city and Port Authority are trying to eliminate at least 2,000 geese from the area, in hopes of improving airline safety. Protesters gathered outside the PA's offices in Manhattan; one said, "This is a terrible precedent to set, that anytime there is a problem with wildlife — to just slaughter them is not a way to solve the issue."




The article forgot to mention that the death squads are armed with NES Zappers and snickering dogs.
That's fowl.
I had a persnickety dog once and damn if that dog didn't go for the geese in the back yard. Not just any goose mind you, but those that were of Labradorian descent.
Mayor Bloomberg and I have rented a really big yacht for this weekend and we have several punt guns, also rented, and we look to be having a good old time. He told me he is only going to shoot the male geese, but I don't believe him. He's such a liar. I told him, "For every identified male goose you shoot I will buy you a cold one. For every female you shoot you owe me two." He reneged.
I used one of those NES Zappers once, but now I moved over to Playstation.
Whoa Whoa Whoa here? "This is a terrible precedent to set, that anytime there is a problem with wildlife — to just slaughter them is not a way to solve the issue."
Having seen the rise in crime in Crown Heights, East New York, Bed Stuy, Newark and other areas, how can you go to sleep thinking that it's not the right way to get rid of the problem?
The birds relocate themselves every fall. Why hold them in a park somewhere until then?
...why not hold them...
Wow. Sounds like you have this all figured out, Clarice City.
So, when are you going to place the order for 2,000 tiny ball and chains?
Forget your meds this morning?
I've seen this retort used before.
Is it popular here on the Gothamist?
It would be nice if the media didn't make this sound like some sort of depraved holocaust. Having irreversibly screwed up the ecosystem, humans now have an obligation to do the dirty and unpleasant work of keeping it in balance.
Keep it in balance? By killing the few species that survive human depredation of ALL ecosystems?! What a balance.
What are you talking about? How about going out and grubbing for fruits and berries? Do you know how many berries a full grown black bear eats in a season?
Human depredation will start when we start culling individuals that can't realize that if you can't be productive in society in whatever fashion that might be, other than procreating other pieces of worthless shit, then we can start talking.
Can you give me one thing that Canadian geese bring to the table for mankind? They don't even sing, they just honk. And if you can give the first, give me another for all the rats, squirrels and pigeons.
We have sharply contrasting; 100% opposite takes on this!
I do not think other species that are not human should "contribute to society" like bankers do... or die.
Really?, if animals are merely instrumental to humans then they're allowed to live, otherwise they are "useless" and deserve death?!
There are thousand of elements in this premise of yours that mekes you part of the all supreme human kind without questioning anything else than instrumentality.
Aside from the issue about "animal contribution to the human cause", human over population and total lack of ethical behavior towards life is going to be the doom of your so called "society", that's how smart this supremacist view about human kind is. No ethical elements involved whatsoever.
WHAT!?!? "I do not think other species that are not human should "contribute to society" like bankers do... or die."
Those scum ball pieces of vermin (bankers) deserve to live? Are you saying that bankers deserve to live?
getting my point! Not all humans are good for human kind or even nature at large. And to think they have HUGE FKN brains! So the responsibility about human security can be also in what humans do. Killing all species is not quite solving the issue about human security...
Amanda. Have you ever seen a rat? Or even a mouse in your UES kitchen?
If so did you capture same, and cuddle it to your bosom? As the cute and furry creature tried to suck the blood out of your fat neck.
Just asking.
yeah..all those assumptions are sooo off,
but does it even matter?!
The only point here is...I'm fat. Good one.
One giant step for human kind!
Hold on there woman. I never said you were fat. Only the region from your neck up.
You owe me an apology.
And BTW have you ever seen a mouse, a rat or any other small scaled mammal in your apartment?
How about a pigeon taking a healthy shit on your window air conditioner? Tell us now. Have you?
Man, you are a league of your own.
Your argument is as strong as saying mice are geese!
No. I never said that mice are geese. But I think of them in the same grouping. Both are vermin.
What pray tell has a goose or a mouse done for you today, yesterday or any other point in your life or any one else's life other than drop a load of shit at your door step?
If you want, I can drop off about a half a dozen geese in your living room on Monday morning. They wont be New York City geese but you probably wouldn't know the difference. Should I throw in a ground hog or two also?
It's funny. People here in New York talk about rats being so big and they hold their hands apart saying how big the rats are. They are all bullshitters. An average rat is about the size of a squirrel. Now a ground hog is different, they are pretty big. How many do you want in your bedroom Amanda? If you live in a five story walk up, I can assure you, your butt will be somewhere about the eighth floor level in a six story building when I drop one into your window off your fire escape.
Any Gothamisters in that NYTimes pic?
Their goose is cooked.
Their goose is cooked.
Has any "scientist" proved that geese spread disease? Probably not, at least not yet. Could a "scientist" write a paper that geese are the primary cause of ...? Probably so. Could that paper be a cause for euthanizing geese? Yep.
So kill them all. Problem solved.
Home demo
Friday June 19th
6pm to 7:30pm
Bloomberg residence
17 east 79th st off 5th avenue
Join us to speak for the voiceless. Find the kindness that is in most of us. All materials will be provided. Bring your voice and heart
Cool! They are tearing down Bloomberg's place and putting in a Home Depot?
"I want you to tear my old lady's house down. It's a small little house, it's black. It's on the corner of 69th St and Metropolitan. She left me and I want the god damn thing torn down, I'll put up a hot dog stand or some shit."
I believe Bloomberg leaves early on the weekends. You aren't going to demo his house when he is away are you? You could spend some serious time in jail for that. Do you have his permission to do this? Or is it one of your ongoing jokes?
"All materials will be provided. Bring your voice and heart." With that I must assume you are bringing the cold beers and hot dogs?
What if it rains?
snoopy you sound like an uneducated idiot
Say no more. You are Rangers fan and you are upset. Calm down and eat something like tofu or an arugula salad with seven grain bread and call the local precinct in the morning.
Be wary of any down neck pillows surfacing in the airport gift shops.
ATTENTION ALL BLOGGERS! We have a quiche eating "offensive and redudant blogger", (also he is a redundant blooger (sic)) that thinks saving the vermin in this world will make the world better.
This guy, if he lived in Europe in the 13th to the early 16th century is the type that would promote "Save the rats!" in a loud and boisterous voice. He would march in front of the Vatican and protest the popes edicts. In fact he would try to demo the Vatican and Castle Sant'Angelo just for kicks to save the vermin.
ah Snoopy, you are one obsessed MoFo.
If anybody speaks for the animals, then you fight them.
What a fight.
Are you crazed? I love carriage horses, I love dogs, I love the SPCA, the Humane Society and all the other rescue organizations out there.
I don't like pests and vermin.
Will you people get your story together. The SPCA and most other organizations were organized to prevent the cruelty to animals, especially horses, over a hundred years ago. It wasn't meant to be all this bullshit that is going on today. Geese, like rats, pigeons, squirrels, rabbits, feral cats and dogs, groundhogs, etc. were not the original thought behind the humane society. They are large sized vermin. Get over it.
Damn! That is a big list of mammals!
So all wild animals are pests? A bit radical.
I tried to pare it down to only those that were in the last few years. For the most part I like mammals, not all but nearly all. As long as they stay away from my house they will not have any problem.
Oh poop. I forgot to mention deer, possum, racoons, coyote, turtles, termites, carpenter bees, and other mammals in my list. And chipmunks. They are the cutest little things, aren't they? Those dudes know how to chew their nuts.
Oops here is another one. Skunks. Now what in the world does the world need with a skunk? And his buddy the porcupine? Tell me this, other than making fancy indian bead work, what does a porcupine contribute to the ongoing civilization and culture of Somalia?
snarky comments are the only thing you can offer.
Hope the venting helped you and of course, civilization.
Elm street. You aren't suffering from the terminal Dutch Elm disease are you? It appears so, but I'm not sure.
Why don't you make a comment that is relevant to the storyline? HOW DO YOU FEEL, AND WHAT IS YOUR SOLUTION TO GETTING RID OF THE VERMIN GEESE THAT ARE CAUSING PROBLEMS IN OUR HUMAN FLYWAYS!!!???
Let me answer for you. Chase them away. GREAT! Another ornithologistically talented wonder boy.
"ummm, hello? ummmm, uh, kill them all. thank you."
Effective and Humane Control for Canada Geese
http://www.canadageese.org/nlcontrol.html
, the report won an award from the New York State Association of Environmental Management Councils.
http://www.canadageese.org/goosereport.pdf
Come to the demo on Friday at Bloomberg residence.
Friday June 19th
6pm to 7:30pm
Bloomberg residence
17 east 79th st off 5th avenue
Join us to speak for the voiceless. Find the kindness that is in most of us. All materials will be provided. Bring your voice and heart
Friday night? You getting all anti-"semitic" on Mayor Mike on his sabbath? Or just trying to exclude observant protestors?
Just checked the Astronomical Tables for Friday. Astronomical Sunset on Friday is 20:30, so you're OK this time. But watch it, man, that was close.
"Join us to speak for the voiceless. Find the kindness that is in most of us. All materials will be provided. Bring your voice and heart." All materials? By that do you mean like a box of shot gun shells and beer for all? What be happening? After throwing back a six pack are we going to go over to Central Park and rid the ballfields of them stinking birds?
That's right generous of you son.
You all realize that the mayor has got to get home before sundown don't you?
I don't give a flying F' if the geese that knocked down that plane came from out of your butt. There are just too many of them around period. And the only way to deplete that gaggle of geese is to pop them off.
Feed their corpses to the carriage horses if it makes you feel better.
Real question to all the "it's bad to cull (kill) geese folks. At what level of taxonomy do you draw the line of such protection?
Rats and kittehs are more closely related than rats and spotted owls (or geese). OK to kill rats (let's make it an outbreak of Bubonic, just to create a human justification), but never geese or kittehs? I find it difficult to understand your distinction.
comment in NYTimes
Gassing and killing 2000 resident geese does not solve the problem, Mr. Mayor. The geese that downed the flight that landed in the Hudson were migratory geese…duh!! Also, Bloomy… if you heard their screams on Monday night over the East River during the culling, as I did, am certain you would apologize for your insensitive and idiotic “sweet dreams” comment. All Bloomberg is doing is catering to the ignorate masses. Canada geese can be successfully managed with nonlethal techniques including aversive conditioning, egg addling and landscape management. In short, geese are not attracted to places that are not attractive - and that simple approach should guide airport area managers and Bloomberg. Such an approach has been proposed for New York City for years and has been unfortunately rejected for years.
What you propose may work for a small suburban park or golf course. Are you seriously considering that we relandscape all of Central Park, Jamaica Bay NATIONAL WILDLIFE REFUGE, part of the Atlantic flyway, and host to many endangered species at the cost of billions of dollars and with severe impact on so many other species so you don't have to think about culling some excess inventory of honkers? Especially in the midst of a recession/depression? Hardly a reasonable option.
And many non-granola sites also list shooting some geese in front of other flock members as another aversive conditioning method. Maybe the culling will have a similar effect.
Good one DD. I forgot about that. A dead goose floater does deter other geese to land.
Dadoc, the poor individual doesn't understand what it takes to "landscape" a pond or waterway to deter geese. It would require fences around the waterways to prevent the little geesums from walking straight from the water area to a grass land to feed. Now how long would it take for said geese to realize that "holy shit" all I have to do is fly over the four foot fence and I am in stepping in goose shit food heaven? And then again, all that is doing is deterring geese from settling in one area.
Perhaps this cool felixthespayedcat dude and his friends, rather than spending their weekends at MCarren Park, can go out and addle some eggs and build fences around every water source in the five boros and the five or six counties around New York City.
The best solution is to sterilize them. And while the government is at it they might as well spray that sterilization juice on cool cats also.
During this whole brouhaha, I have been looking into sterilization techniques for bird control. Not practical. No external genitalia, so surgery is out. Chemical methods are only temporary, and mainly consists of somebody daily feeding resident geese stuff that whacks their eggs. And I'm not big on the widespread use of chemicals. Could harm our raptors, etc. Some studies say you would have to addle 80% of eggs for 8 years to impact a flock. Landscaping would endanger the Piping Plover, Diamondback Terrapin,seals etc. And aside from being prohibitively expensive, would look like crap. Imagine JBay or the CP lake surrounded by fencing. The knuckleheads who run their dogs in CP would be up in arms. Maybe project Pit-bulls with a $1/goose bounty? That might work, feed the homeless, and lift some from the oppression of poverty from those less fortunate!
"Mayor Bloomberg gets to look like he’s doing SOMETHING when all he is doing is harming poor innocent geese. We have to learn to share this space with other species. But our Mayor can barely share New York City with other humans (unless they are developers, affluent or corporations) so I’m looking to the wrong source
"Mayor Bloomberg gets to look like he’s doing SOMETHING when all he is doing is harming poor innocent geese. We have to learn to share this space with other species. But our Mayor can barely share New York City with other humans (unless they are developers, affluent or corporations) so I’m looking to the wrong source
Hello, everyone! Have you not thought of the implications of the protest on Friday???? You will get to meet Felix in PERSON! I for one am curious to see what type of NYC wackjob he is. Is he a smelly urban hippie stinking like patchouli oil? Will he be wearing an overcoat in the middle of summer and feed pigeons from his pockets bulging with bird seed? Will he have face tattoos and wacky, frizzy hair and beat up old Saucony sneakers?
Now Now, I doubt Felix will fulfill the glorious image that you perceive of him. As far as I know he still wears Old Spice Cologne that his mother gave his father for a high school graduation present back in the late sixties. His father passed it on to him because it had that wild Canadian goose shit smell that Felix loves so much.
Sorry jib, but I'm sure there are those of us who will be doing things like spending time with family, having pleasant and tasty dinners, perusing intellectual stuff, getting laid, etc. after a long work week. Kinda tempting, but often, as our Moms always said "empty barrells make the most noise", and Internet barrells rarely show up at such stuff. Tempting, but hmmmm.
Felix in person or a nice pate with champagne, followed by veal piccata with homemmade tortellini and Merlot, get the kids of to bed and then a nice time in the sack? Maybe next time. Unless Snoop & longacre wanna meet up for some "pre-game"? That could make it fun. I'll do the cooking>
Heh, I was hoping someone else would do the leg work and we would all benefit from a flickr.com photo series. Personally I'm going to kick back with a random netflix dvd I haven't opened yet and stuff myself on my girlfriend's cooking. Lucky me, we're mostly vegetarian during the week, but Fri-Sun are our "tribute to tasty meat" days!
For the record, I'm mostly sympathetic to a lot of Felix's causes - hey who doesn't want to be nice to animals - but the man himself is a complete tool.
based on the comments above, it is quite obvious to anyone with an ounce of common sense that Snoopy and Dadoc are pathetic bitter miserable cowards whose source of enjoyment is cruelty of animals. I am very secure and had no need to harm others to derive pleasure. Everyone is welcome at this demo.
You can add Jibbly to our group if you please.
I have not insulted you in the least (tonight). But, if you are serious, I am interested in your direct (on-topic) answers to my (on-topic) questions other than pre-packaged links. If you're so serious about this, change my mind on the issue.
He did have that snappy video that he posted the other night showing Mayor Mike with gosslings. Of course it was done by his daughter's pre-school class using Polaroid's attempt at instant movies, but none the less it was original.
Oh if only NannyState could make the tail gate party on Friday I might break my skeet shooting obligation. What year is that Merlot again?
It's strange. I have plenty of geese on my pond out in PA, but very few ducks. I wonder why. I'm talking like 30 to 1. Any idea people?
Bad marksmanship?
Merlot? Beg pardon, but I prefer a bottle of Screaming Eagles with my foie gras et lardons aux frissee...of course we could knock back a few shots of Grey Goose afterwards.
Also what is obvious is how pathetic their lives are to spend all their time waiting for my comments. It is obvious based on how they rapidly respond to my posting that they are waiting at their computer stations for me to post. It is quite pathetic that hatred and bitterness and even jealously motivates them.
Felix the pussy. We are not waiting for you. We have been on a lot longer than your latest rants. We, sorry I speak only for myself, find you amusing and a definite asset, might I emphasize the first syllable, to this ongoing exercise of trying to get rid of a flying vermin problem.
If you had a serious solution, other than the costly sterilization drugs, can you please state them.
No, not quite. You're active on these issues on this board and have opinions. So do others. We all chime in to state our thoughts. We do it in different ways. Now, do you have some answers to the questions I've posed?
(And Snoop, as I keep saying, no "pussy" as derogatory!
"Pussy", in all it's meanings, is a good thing. And no, loaded with pus is not pussy, it's purulent. I find your calling Felix a pussy offensive to pussies everywhere.)
Good point DD. I will stand facing the corner for fifteen minutes.
Now about that Merlot and fried goose. Do you think we have enough extras to feed the unfortunate. I mean like the Central Park carriage drivers and the blue fin tuna fishermen?
All kidding aside I do see that there might be a problem with the way some carriage drivers treat their animals, but it's nothing like back in the late nineteenth century when horses were beaten to death in the middle of summer trying to haul tons upon tons of weight. Felix means well but somehow he doesn't quite separate the real problems of animal cruelty, and also the relationship between mankind and "his" environment.
Yeah, I know. There's cruelty and waste galore. Then there's culling, species management, ethics in the taking of fish and game, habitat management, good pet ownership & appreciation of our non-human cohabitants of Earth. But we are the apex, have affected the planet, and sometimes have to do what we've got to or want to do in our best judgement. I paid attention in Bio class. Some others didn't.
Send them to the south and Tyson or Pilgrims can make nuggets out of them.
"It takes a tough man to make a tender goose."
"Parts are parts."
I miss Frank Purdue. He looked so much like Ed Koch, the greatest mayor of New York, other than Jimmy Walker that is.
I can see it now "MFG" with a dude hanging out in front of some Parisian style Bistro. "Montreal Fried Goose" in a delicate Korean sauce.
All free range too for those that don't like the Arkansas style goose.
Kennedy Fried Goose? Obama Fried Gooose? The possibilities are endless. And don't forget it's always better for the environment to consume locally harvested produce than contribute to the distant factroy farms. Can't wait to pop a Central Park goose into my hemp bag at the Union Square greenmarket with my favorite free-range, local and organic produce. Except I really have'nt found a good way to prep Canada Geese. I like gamey, but even with long marination the texture and flavor is lacking. May have to try it with ground veggies like I do with turkey burgers.
Such an pitiful display of clownery!
The masters of emptiness have spoken.
The Nightmare (called) Elm Street continues on.
Will you be at the Demo with Felix? I hear he is taking a carriage ride to get there.
Can someone put on the cat-signal for me next time? I seemed to have missed the opportunity to respond to his verbal diarrhea
Snoopy, can't you just brownbag your wife's face and do her doggy style while she props up your gut and hold up your saggy balls. geez, you spend your whole day on this site alone. L O S E R
Snoopy is a nuisance on this site
And you're not? Not to mention Stalkingagain who has to go to work everyday.
How can one work at McDonalds and still defend geese is beyond me.
See you at the demo.
Bloomie is a piece of shit.
Oh, did I say I hate Bloomie,
Is there an "I HATE BLOOMIE CLUB"
The resident geese are no danger, it's those illegal avian aliens.
See:
http://notionscapital.wordpress.com/2009/06/11/avian-aliens-down-jet/
is wayne brady gonna have to slap a bitch?