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The FBI and NYPD have arrested four men who were allegedly plotting to bomb at least two Jewish temples and attack a National Guard base. According to NBC New York, "several of the suspects are Muslims who allegedly talked about destroying two Jewish temples, including at least one in the Riverdale section of the Bronx." The men apparently ordered and received bomb making materials, but "investigators said they made sure the materials the suspects received were inert." And WCBS 2 reports, the men also wanted to "shoot military planes located at the New York Air National Guard Base at Stewart Airport in Newburgh with Stinger surface-to-air guided missiles." The four men, all residents of Newburgh, were arrested in the Bronx this evening; apparently a friend tipped off the feds, who have been investigating them for a year.
4 Arrested In Plot To Bomb Temples, Shoot Military Planes
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So as far as I can tell, these guys would have gotten exactly nowhere without the "help" of the FBI. Woo, scary: complete incompetents who should have been arrested a year ago, given rope by the FBI to hang themselves. And why? Was it a long sting to find accomplices, or a network? So far, it seems not. Just another effort to build a two-bit "aspirational" evil into something that looks much scarier. I wonder why.
probably related to why most of the news reports are saying thier motivation was the US war in Afghanastan and not drawing a connection btwn wanting to bobm Jewish sites and US support for Israel...
God forbid Americas were introduced to the concept that Islamic terrorism against the US is in any way connected to our support of Israel...even the 9/11 commission barely brushed on the topic, which so absurd, its funny.
yeah, we should all get together on Oprah to air our respective grievances on an episode entitled, "Getting To Know Your Homegrown Terrorists."
Are you serious? Terrorists, Islamo-Fascists, whatever, are still pissed about sh*t that went down 2,000 years ago.
Yup, there are certainly deranged idiots out there who can confuse nationalist Israeli policies with American citizens who practice Judaism...
I completely agree with your assessment here. The FBI could do this all day if they wanted...call up some psycho, offer them help to blow or do damage to some sub-section of society or government building and then arrest them on conspiracy and terrorism charges.
Except thats not what happened...someone called the FBI and said "Hey 4 of my friends just asked me to help them shoot down a plane and blow up a synagogue"
I guess in your world the FBI should have responded..."You're over reacting, I'm sure they're good guys; we'll call you after the explosion."
I don't disagree that they should have been arrested and jailed for this (which they are). I'm just saying this is not the "terrorist plot" that I think the headlines and the FBI are making it out to be.
The feds have to justify their budgets - and keep homefront fears at high level to justify the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, and the continued bankrolling of the Israeli war machine.
That's why they have to invent these fake "terrorist plots" every so often.
The recipe is simple - find some Muslims who happen to be loudmouthed idiots and/or mental cases and/or ex cons, get an informant to "recruit" them into an imaginary "terrorist group" and then make high profile media hyped "terrorism" arrests.
And that's exactly what's happening here!
Anyone read up on the "plot" to blow up the Sears tower? Four gang members from Florida were basically set-up by the FBI telling who asked them to blow up the Sears tower in exchange for money. (These guys had no understanding of bombs, much less how to blow up the tallest building in the Northern Hemisphere).
They've just been found guilty on international terrorism charges and are getting life.
This sounds eeriy similar.
Removed from society before they can do further harm. Sounds great to me.
That's right, blame the Jews. If only they would just let themselves be slaughtered without a fight like the good ole days of Auschwitz then the whole world would be a totally groovy, peaceful place.
The Muslims are at it again...
2 of them are American Born who converted to Muslim, one Haitian and the leader had American Parents. They seem to be African-American and not Arabs. It seems not to be any ring but a bunch of guys who were acting up against Israel and America involvement in the killing of Muslims overseas.
On the A train over the weekend a guy was talking about how mad he was at the government over 9/11 and losing his brother. He went on to say that no Jews were killed in the towers' collapse so it was obviously done by Bush and Osama. This was a conversation he struck up with a stranger.
Actually this is a conversation that you can hear in Harlem since I once volunteered at a center and this was a common theme share by the community. Someone told me that there was a large Mosque in Harlem with prominent attendees (professors, community leaders etc) but I never had a chance to visit. But they told me that the police was not allowed to enter the mosque with permission. I don't know if that is true.
I meant without permission.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benjamin_Ward#Ward.27s_involvement_with_the_cover-up_at_Harlem_Mosque_.237
Thanks for the link, interesting.
Currently, the case is in the SDNY so I guess they won't be treated as enemy combatants as under Bush Administration.
you're right felix, the would-be bombers are the victims here
Who said they were the victims? Are you on medication?
http://www.fas.org/irp/eprint/rightwing.pdf
Right wing Extremism (homegrown terrorism) - these 4 men don't fit the profile-not white and not right wing but with the current wars and state of economy, I think "homegrown terrorists" will be a real danger. that is why America needs to change its policy because we are in the end only creating more terrorism. End the wars and get out of the middle east especially Iraq and NO IRAN. So Much money and lives wasted in this non-winning and non-purpose war.
>Currently, the case is in the SDNY so I guess they won't be treated as enemy combatants as under Bush Administration.
You mean 5 years of indefinite detention without trial or charges isn't part of the American Constitutional tradition? Damn you Bush/Cheney! Damn you!!!!
It's a good thing Obama has no plans to detain people indefintely!
Oh Wait...
I will never underestimate the ability of the FBI to cock things up, break the law or stumble around like blind mice. But, if what I have read is true, these guys thought they had " parked car bombs wired to cell phones outside the Riverdale Temple and nearby Riverdale Jewish Center." How they got to that point is important. But that they did it is important too.
I'll wait for the trial.
9/11 happens and the FBI is criticized for being too reactionary and not being pro-active in discovering terror attacks before they happen.
FBI become pro-active and intercepts terror acts before they happen and they get criticized for being too pro-active and overreacting.
^^^^
Wasn't meant to be a reply to FrankMartin.
http://newyork.fbi.gov/dojpressrel/pressrel09/nyfo052009.htm
Per FBI own release, they defendants wanted to engage in terrorist attacks. They selected targets and sought the weapons necessary to carry out their plans but the informants provided them with the means( all the weapons).
I don't see why we can't question the govt, it isn't as if the govt never lied to us. Democracy is questioning authorities and it doesn't mean it is criticizing the arrests.
Well, first that is the price you pay for being the top law enforcement agency in the land. Nobody cares when planes land safely.
I have no idea if they deserve critisim in this case, I said "I'll wait fore the trial". But talking some nut jobs into planting fake bombs isn't the same as "discovering terror attacks before they happen." I still think the men are dangerous, if the early reports are true. If the FBI can talk them into it I guess a true Jihadist could too. But could the true jihadist get a real bomb or a real stinger? I doubt it.
You know, Islam is all right (except for that whole death penalty for homosexuality thing).
what about the stoning to death for adultery?
Completely justified. If there's one thing I agree with Mohammed on, it's that women are ho's (and gross!!)
lol inside but for my girlfriend's sake I have to say I disagree. LOL
There's four lonely camels tonite.
This is my issue w/Obama wanting to release the Gitmo prisoners and put the serious offenders among others, into US jails, where you'll have plenty of people like these men as the news stated... "Several of the suspects have previously been arrested on drug charges and may have converted to Islam in prison, authorities said."
it's like we're inviting terrorists to come and get these mens heads(they have nothing to lose)and they're gonna turn a bunch of gullible americans into suicide bombers, etc. Send em back to where they came from & let them be a burden over there. That & we shouldn't be paying for this kind of shit, if anything, execute them, they're only gonna be angrier now & they've proven they can't live in normal society.