Polls Shows Divided Support For Gay Marriage Among NYers

A new Quinnipiac poll reveals that New York State is split 46% to 46% when it comes to allowing same-sex marriage. Quinnipiac also says, "Black voters opposed 57 - 35 percent while white voters tip narrowly in favor of gay marriage 47 - 45 percent." But there's more support for civil unions: Overall, voters support civil unions 65-27 "with 67 - 24 percent support from white voters and 52 - 39 percent support from black voters."

Interestingly, voters rejected the idea that "same-sex marriage is a threat to traditional marriage between a man and a woman" 63% to 32%. There are more interesting demographic details here, like how women support the measure while men are opposed. Though the State Assembly passed the gay marriage bill, it's questionable whether the State Senate has the votes to pass it. Five Thirty-Eight's Nate Silver puts odds of the bill passing as one in three.

And yesterday, the Empire State Pride Agenda released an ad (see it above) to help drum up support for the bill. It has a straight couple, Barb and Don, speaking about their straight daughter was able to marry the person she wanted and how their gay daughter can't. ESPA's Alan Van Capelle told PolitckerNY they used Barb and Don because legislators had said they were swayed after visits from "parents of adult gay and lesbian children in loving and committed relations who wanted to marry."

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I have nothing against gays but legalizing gay marriage could teach our children to learn to be gay. That would be terrible.

how the fuck do you learn to be gay? if you learned to be gay, that meant you was gay in the first place. I've been around gay people all my life and I still say "eww, gross" whenever 2 dudes kiss. I don't say it out loud, just my inner monologue.

People can learn being gay. For example I had two guy friends who went on a gay cruise. When they came back they told me for the first time that they were gay. I figured that they must have learned this or have been corrupted on the gay cruise. Also after Brokeback Mountain came out there were alot more gay people around because they must have thought it was the cool trend.

lol why do you think they went on the gay cruise to start with? heard the buffet was good?

What kind of world is it when gay marriage can even divide Hitler and Himmler?

And what's wrong with being gay? Other than society has socialized you to feel that way? And don't bring in your pathetic religion, which has no place in this debate.

There is nothing wrong with being gay its just that gays stole two of my good friends. One minute they tell me they won this free cruise, and who wouldn't go if it was free, and when they came back they were gay. Now there are no more annual camping trips becuase I feel that there is a chance they could see me naked.

Reality Check: Your former friends are pretending to be gay to get rid of you. I don't even know you and I would like you to go away.

Dude, you're being trolled. Ignore him

And what if on a camping trip they convinced me to be gay?? I don't want to be gay. I have a family and what would I tell my children???? This whole issue is starting to make me angry.

Convinced you to be gay? So, I guess somebody convinced you to be the idiotic asshole that you are?

I really don't understand how you can say such hurtful things. My only guess is that when the truth is too scary you need to resort to name calling.

Amazing: a conservative New Yorker in its natural element. Shh, don't scare it away with liberal talk!

" And don't bring in your pathetic religion, which has no place in this debate."

Right, thanks for reminding us how tolerant you are AREN'T of our religious beliefs, while you demand we tolerate your sex cult.

What's next, you will be dictating what we can teach in our houses of worship? Throwing our religious leaders in jail if they refuse to "marry" you?

Demanding we hire you in our religious schools so you can teach "the truth" /insult our beliefs to our kids?

Maybe you can run the gulags.

I find it peculiar that black voters are so opposed to gay marriage when black men and women statistically have some of the lowest marriage rates in the US (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/03/25/AR2006032500029.html) . Hopefully they don't justify it with the claim that gays would ruin the sanctity of marriage...

You know what I find peculiar? The not-so-subtle racism coming from the gay community and gay marriage advocates against the black community ever since Prop 8.

My post was absolutely void of racism. It is completely focused on statistical evidence - black New Yorkers are less likely to support gay marriage, and black people are less likely to be married. You might not like it, but those are the facts. Don't throw about accusations of racism just because someone says something related to race that you wish wasn't true. Read the article I linked and then accuse the African-American woman who wrote it of racism, if you'd like.

Furthermore, can you blame the gay community for being PO'ed? Not just at black people, but at the religious, at the conservative, at straight people in general. They're being denied their rights by groups that take their right to marry for granted. And I say this as a straight person. We should be ashamed for letting this happen.


I'm all for gay marriage. Maybe then they can deal with getting the marriage penalty tax 86'd

Or the government could just do the logical thing and get the fuck out of marriage. You get married in your church. You get a union for tax benefits from the government. Everyone wins!

In this situation: Where do Atheists and Agnostics get married?

In the woods, where their heathen selves like it.

You mean camping? But an Agnostic "might see me naked".

Before the current 'Heterosexual Marriage version 3.2', there was much polygamy and bastardry among the wealthy feudal playas that could afford the upkeep and emotional crap. As long as The Church got their cut, they kept their mouths shut. It was the Reformation and all those Calvinist thugz that wrecked da party with their straight edge bullshit. Fuck gays, straights have the real beef here...

In meaningful ceremonies in non-denominational buildings, like they do now.

So which guy wears the bridal gown? Which one gets carried over the threshold? Where's a good place to get a strap-on dildo for a lesbian wedding gift?

No matter how many bills they pass to legalize it, gay marriage will always be a joke. Gay people are simply trying to wish away the fact that human biology prevents 2 people of the same sex from procreating with each other. Protest and throw tantrums all you want, your problem is with Mother Nature and she doesn't give a crap if you don't like the cards she has dealt you.

Yeah, the only problem is that you are talking about biological procreation. Not marriage. Marriage is a human construct. I didn't realize that to get married you had to have a biological ability to be fertile cause then you'd have to revoke a whole lot of straight dudes who's boys don't swim and ladies who didn't pay the gas bill for their oven. Marriage wasn't defined by god or mother nature. It was defined by dumbass humans who believe that a jew zombie can come back from the dead. I feel bad for your future son when he's gay and wants to get married but his daddy Ides will only get him a buttplug but that's it.

"Yeah, the only problem is that you are talking about biological procreation. Not marriage. Marriage is a human construct. I didn't realize that to get married you had to have a biological ability to be fertile cause then you'd have to revoke a whole lot of straight dudes who's boys don't swim and ladies who didn't pay the gas bill for their oven."

Wow. In his own warped way, babyhitler just gave one of the best cases for debunking one of the key arguments against gay marriage. That's a particularly shocking way to start my morning.

Ides, do you really not know the difference between procreation and marriage? This may cause you issues later in life when you marry a woman and can't figure out why she isn't pregnant.

That being said, babyhitler is completely correct. Even the argument that marriage is "traditionally" between a man and a woman is incorrect. I majored in anthropology in college and I recall the following "traditional marriages" in various cultures:
People marrying several people at once
People marrying their siblings
People marrying their cousins
People marrying aunts/uncles
People marrying others of the same sex
People marrying ghosts
People marrying gods
People marrying animals
Animals marrying animals

I could go on...

"It was defined by dumbass humans who believe that a jew zombie can come back from the dead."

LOL

It was defined by dumbass humans who believe that a jew zombie can come back from the dead. I feel bad for your future son when he's gay and wants to get married but his daddy Ides will only get him a buttplug but that's it.

Is Gay Marriage about Equality or about attacking people's religious beliefs? I support equality but don't expect people to be open minded when you attack their beliefs in such a coarse manner.

I don't think you're one to talk about attacking someone's beliefs.

Who are you? You don't know me. Gays call people of faith bigots but based on some comments here, who really are the bigots?

The divorce rate is a coin toss and out of wedlock births are approaching that rate. Those rates are often higher in un-ejumacated bible belt states.

IIRC, the wedding 'industry' lobby was one of the biggest proponents of of gay marriage in California. There's quite a bit of money in $5K cakes and lengthy registries and such. I'm sure the divorce lawyers were not far behind.

Bulldoze the projects and let gays marry!!!!!!

This is just a case of logic against phobia and religious bullshit. And in the 21st Century, logic should win.

"New York State is split 46% to 46% when it comes to allowing same-sex marriage"

Why do people get to decide if someone they don't even know gets married? I am choosing to decide that I don't want homophobes to reproduce. Can that be a thing?

Also: Nate Silver is dead sexy.

You cant deny that the Man is behind all of this.

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