Women Savagely Beaten After Rejecting Come-On

Out on bail for 5000, Violent assault, but kids go to private prisons for petty infractions. WERES THE JUSTICE?

"as opposed of being"

Whaaaat?

Albanians are crazy mofos. They are often involved in organized crime,

Self-defense classes and pepper spray are good ideas. As a woman living in NYC for the past decade, here's my advice to ladies who are heckled:

- Pretend you don't speak English (assuming the heckler does). Ignore him. When he persists, you can smile and say, "Eh, sorry, no english" in the accent of your choice. Continue to act as if you don't understand a word.

- Pretend you are deaf. Gesture to your ears and say "Sorry, I'm deaf." Try to sound like someone who's truly deaf. If he persists, pretend you misunderstood and give him directions.

- Look sad and tell him you're sorry, you are distracted because you just found out you're pregnant. Start crying.

- Act crazy. Start hyperventilating. Have a seizure. Or all of the above.

This may sound like a joke but I assure you, it's not. I've done a few of these things and they've worked. Never act too intimidated or be too kind to these animals.

It's so easy to let one's guard down and forget that we don't live in a playground for the young and beautiful, but rather a jungle full of all types of desperate creatures. Self-defense classes should be mandatory for all women moving to the city. A knee to the groin can work wonders. Hopefully this will come back in style.

There are a few others too. Dancing with the stars Tony, Eliza Dushku, the daughter from George Lopez, and Regis Philbin.

According to Wikipedia, Jim and John the actors are Albanian-Americans. Who'da thought!

I agree violence against women should not be tolerated on any level! It is sad that the majority of the offenders of such crimes suffer only from slaps on the wrist until they take it too far and kill somebody. Even after this happens they go to prison for x amount of years where they are fed three meals a day, offered education, recreation and socialization with more people of thier kind.

Interesting points: The issue gets totally diluted when trying to excuse it or explain it through bigotry.

Thug/macho mentality is a social disease that works and it's perpetuated under the acceptance of others. The piece of shit this man is, sadly might belong to any nationality or cultural identity.

It is violence towards women what should be discussed as opposed of being stuck/offended by the headshit screaming nationalistic pride...

Before everyone goes on criticizing Albanians because of the attack on this women, maybe search the name or last name and this will show that this name is not an Albanian name. So either the guy is lied ashe shouted out about being Albanian, the girl misheard or he changed his identity to not reveal his true Albanian name. You can not criticize an entire nation based on a few isolated incedents. Take into consideration the large Albanian population in New York and you will see that a very small percentage of Albanians are the ones who are the offenders!! Most of us are hard working, kind people. Somebody said that the majority of Albanians are guilty of domestic violence, how about researching how many Albanians have killed thier entire famlies due to rough financial times. How many Albanians have shot thier sons because they believe that they are the anti-christ? How many Albanians have you heard of that have gone on mass murder sprees or have killed many people and stored them in the freezer only to eat them the next day? Not too many i'm guessing. So before everyone goes off on an anti-Albanian charade, do your research!! Check out what your own people do wrong

Before everyone goes on criticizing Albanians because of the attack on this women, maybe search the name or last name and this will show that this name is not an Albanian name. So either the guy is lied ashe shouted out about being Albanian, the girl misheard or he changed his identity to not reveal his true Albanian name. You can not criticize an entire nation based on a few isolated incedents. Take into consideration the large Albanian population in New York and you will see that a very small percentage of Albanians are the ones who are the offenders!! Most of us are hard working, kind people. Somebody said that the majority of Albanians are guilty of domestic violence, how about researching how many Albanians have killed thier entire famlies due to rough financial times. How many Albanians have shot thier sons because they believe that they are the anti-christ? How many Albanians have you heard of that have gone on mass murder sprees or have killed many people and stored them in the freezer only to eat them the next day? Not too many i'm guessing. So before everyone goes off on an anti-Albanian charade, do your research!! Check out what your own people do wrong!

It doesn't matter what they were wearing, it is their choice. The guy is an asshole, it doesn't matter what nationality he is. While there may be similarities between his actions and actions of others of the same nationality, that fact is irrelevant. The court system established the bail, whether it is too low or too high, is a matter to take up with the court system. The best that come for this is the publicity that there are people in this city who are not allowed to enjoy an evening out.

The Kolenovic family name is Bosnian, not Albanian. I don't understand why this guy feels the need to pretend to be Albanian, but last I checked Bosnians were Slavs not Albanians.

Clearly a slavic name but lets continue the ethnic bashing.

I happen to be Albanian and I find the actions of this man disgusting and degrading to other albanians. Albanian people have just as much pride in their culture as any other cultures do, and for people to claim that we are crazy because we have so much pride in our culture is ludicrous. Ask any Puertorican or Italian if they have pride in their culture and they will prove me right. I am disgusted that this man would behave like this, this kind of behavior is unforgivable and he deserves to do hard time. HE is crazy, and HE is the one who beat up some poor girl. It is true for our parents and grandparents that men were very dominating, but we are in America, and our children were raised better. If he was in my family, he would get his ass kicked and be disowned, no questions asked. His actions put a stain on our culture, but it can't be said that Albanians in general are like this, it is simply not true. I beg you to find any culture, city, country, anywhere where men didn't beat their wives, it happens everywhere. We can't be blamed for his actions, his own stupid ass dictated what he was going to do, and trust in the fact that he will suffer for his actions.

That is weird. His name ends in "vic", which is a slavic ending, but the first name is a muslim name (spelled in Serbian). This would make him either a Montenegro or Bosnian Muslim.

Regardless, preconceived idea that attributes certain characteristics to a racial or ethnic group is called "stereotyping". It's like saying that "americans are brash, ignorant, self-important, unintelligent, decadent, prudish on sexual matters, and obese".

Every culture has individuals that are f***ed up, and a culture or a group shouldn't be judged based on those individuals' acts.

Back to this guy - $5K is too little. This guy should be deported right after he serves his prison sentence.

"This would make him either a Montenegro or Bosnian Muslim.

In fact, I linked above to a story about a guy with the same last name who was killed. That article states that he, the other person with that last name, emigrated from Montenegro.

$5K is too little.

Once again, that's his bail. It's not his punishment, which will be set after conviction, assuming that he will be convicted.

Do people criticizing that amount really think it matters? Do you think that if his bail was set at, say, $50,000 instead he wouldn't still be out pending trial?

Bail is not intended to keep a person jailed. Everyone who is eligible for bail is supposed to be able to post it; it's intended to be set at an appropriate level that the person can reach, so they can be out pending trial -- because they are still considered to be innocent and it's considered to be important for them to be free to make it easier for them prepare their defense.

That's the American justice system: you don't get punished for a crime that you haven't been convicted of.

This is one of my worst nightmares -- being physically attacked because I didn't react favorably to a stranger's (intrusive) come-on. The fact that this happened is both scary and infuriating. And it's only going to get worse as the weather gets warmer. God, it's great being female sometimes.

Ps. I carry pepper spray, too (it was given to me by my boyfriend). You just never know when you'll come across a creep like Dzemal Kolenovic.

Got mugged in Athens a few years back, and the police immediately assured me that the mugger must have been Albanian. Nods all around the station house to confirm this.

Aside from mutually cozy hatefests, sounds like Stollef has it right. The guy is connected, at least as far as he's concerned. Chances are also good that his nasty temper and lack of judgment is exacerbated by drugs.

most middle eastern dudes esp. Albanians are nasty nasty boys with super bad egos, it's the culture. Women are nothing to them, it's time we empower the ladies.

Take a look at a map sometime friend, Albania is in Europe.

makes me think twice about mouthing off to creepy guys... what are girls supposed to do now? just sit there and take it when we get heckled for fear that we'll get the shit beaten out of us? ridiculous...

only get out of the house with a male companion or be beaten to dead...

Damn, only $5,000 for almost blinding a complete stranger? Poor Christine - get well soon.

Wow Chris Brown was at least dating the girl he beat

I knew an albanian family once- very nice people.

This guys an just an asshole, regardless of origin. And there's no excuse for his behavior. 5 grand is too low. Hope he gets some prison time for this.

Where is the picture of this dirtbag? If the court is willing to release this animal into the public at the risk of our safety, I want to know what he looks like.

Why doesn't he get in the ring with Mike Tyson since he can do whatever he wants ...

The two national sports in Greece: nude wrestling and shooting at Albanians.

Can we get the latter??

The two national sports in Greece: nude wrestling and shooting at Albanians.

Can we get the latter??

as the saying goes...the two national sports in Greece: nude wrestling and shooting Albanians.

the latter would be perfect in this situation.

Why is it that when asshole guys are rejected by women, they call them "whores"? Isn't that counter-intuitive?

Both extremes (virgin or whore) are cultural constructs that signify obedience or disobedience to male preferences.

So in both cases there is an abusive assumption of women having to comply to a man (this fucker) expectations.

It is not a matter of logic as much as hatred and repression.

A woman can be either, but that doesn't give the fucker any right over her. What they are is out of the question.

It matters only if you subscribe to misogynistic ideologies where a man has the right to obstruct a women just because they exist in male terms.

BETTER SAID: just because they OUGHT TO exist in male terms OR DIE.

So it's not as much about him being humiliated by rejection as it is "punishing" the women for not acting like he wanted (nay, DEMANDED) them to act? If they had responded favorably to his advances they would still be whores and deserving of a beating most likely anyway.

"Subscribers to one model of misogyny, the mother/whore dichotomy, hold that women can only be "mothers" or "whores." Another variant is the virgin/whore dichotomy, in which women who do not adhere to a saintly standard of moral purity (Abrahamic) are considered "whores"."

Taliban type of repressive ideology against women's autonomy.

That doesn't add up in these cases though... so the woman acts virginal (says no to advances) and therefore she is turned to "whore?" (I know, it's not supposed to make sense, the guys are total assholes) but in the virgin/whore model, why is she a whore if she doesn't want sex? Because that big strong man is rejected, therefore the woman is subjected to the worst insults the man can dole out, to humiliate her.

Don't women in the Middle East get acid thrown in their faces for rejecting a man?

robingee,

You're looking at it the wrong way. The guy had already decided that the girls were "whores" before approaching them. He was enraged not because the girls were acting "virginal," but because their response did not comport with 1) his expectation of how a "whore" should act, and 2) his inflated view of himself.

They may have been dressed immodestly, or engaging in some behavior that would otherwise seem transgressive to a social authoritarian (though it might seem normal or even "virginal" in mainstream U.S. culture). It's really beside the point, however.

What, no one here has seen "Tune in Tomorrow"?

I guess you get cranky when you sunburn so easily.

this is about MISOGYNY!

All violence against women are caused by men that can not tolerate woman's autonomy.

Albanian or not, this type of violence happens due to the tolerance towards this male centered ideology.

Italians don't like them either.

Same in Greece, they hate Albanians because Albanians do a lot of crime in Greece which had a low crime rate.

Nothing good ever happens at 3:50am.

The Albanian Bad Boys used to stir up nonsense in the Bronx as fas back as the late 80s... They can be real dicks-this is just disgusting. These goons need to be electrocuted...

I know nothing about albos so I'm getting a pretty good lesson on them now. and, I don't know any albos.

but thanks for the tip on them working the building trades, I'll now lock up my stuff more securely.

Women are still treated like second class citizens in our justice system and in our society. I only wished he jumped the turnstile instead (see http://gothamist.com/2007/12/27/an_unexpected_v.php and yes, the lucky jail bird was a woman).

Or maybe protested the republicans. http://gothamist.com/2008/09/02/demonstrations_riots_raids_and_arre.php

Walking the streets with only a $5,000 hit on his card is unbelievably tragic commentary on our existing system. While I'm hoping and praying nothing happens to anyone, my bet is that the fact that he got out so easily will only embolden him to do greater harm.

how can you guys not know about albos? as far as i can think right now, every one i've ever known has a huge chip on their shoulder and is sometimes involved (if only by talking about it all the time) in violence or somewhat gang-like activity (ie going with a group of albos to intimidate the exboyfriend of one of their sisters, etc.)

Exactly while I stated I fear for her, And I don't mean this as racists, but a lot of them look very similar and have similar names and the FBI can't find them in Albania. Many have fled prosecution after knocking off people and some even return to visit family under FBI's Nose. She is in a lot of danger, more than I thinks she knows.

What a scumbag. I had a guy yell at me that I was a whore after he hissed at me and I did not respond kindly. He also yelled that I was a "fag" (I'm female) - some dudes just feel like if a woman does not show them attention they can get violent.

His mother probably says he's a nice boy.

Should this one get blamed on violent video games?

Unless you were born yesterday or just moved here, you'd know the Albanian Mob has a lock on building services in NYC (doorman, supers). This guy's attitude that he can do whatever he wants is clearly because he's connected. Thus his $5000 bail.

that's very true

my old super was an albanian

and a lazy assh*le

still has his job

just remember, these are the people you bombed christian Serbs for in 1999, these are also the same people who tried to kill US soldiers @ Fort Dix not too long ago.

What, no picture of the Albanian POS? They really ARE trash, aren't they?

besides denying them some good random trim, here is a list of other things that will enrage an albanian:

http://www.albanian.com/v4/showthread.php?t=9217

I am quite worry for her, I grew up with Albanians and they are in many gangs that rob cars upstate and break in homes during the day. I knew one who made over 1 million from robbing homes and now lives in South Beach in a condo he bought for cash. Anyhow, they don't like rats and he can send one of her goons after her to stop her from prosecuting. They are not afraid because most of them run and hid out in Albania where no one can find them. I feel real fear for her. I don't think she know how bad Albanians can really be. A lot of them are guns for hire.

Is it possible to find out the judge responsible for this bail? I also hope the detectives have the Albanian Embassy staked out.

This is by no means an anti-immigration rant (half my friends are immigrants), but if you've ever wondered why New York women have to develop such thick skins, here you go: we're immersed in a constant flow of so many new immigrants and their cultures at one time. Usually this is a good thing, but there are also many men who come to the States from a misogynistic culture with Their Own Ideas How Women Ought to be Treated. Women in this city are harassed (or assaulted) in many culturally diverse ways, and it's exhausting. On top of that, others will respond, "well that's just how they do it in their culture - you shouldn't be offended."

missing the point...who cares if he was from Belarus or Austria!? He's foremost a fucker that hates women, the real danger rests in this fact, not his nationality or identity.

Superficiality helps solving real issues like hate of women by stupid insecure sick and useless men.

Does anyone even know that he is an immigrant? Referring to himself as "Albanian" doesn't necessarily mean he wasn't born here.

Well, he should have referred to himself as an American if he was born here, no matter what ethnicity or nationality or whatever else he identifies himself with. He wants to be Albanian instead of American? Fine, extradite his dumb ass back to Albania.

True, but just as treasured cultural recipes are passed down the generations, so are attitudes.

Really $5K??? C'mon, what a joke.

The city should set tougher bail laws and tougher penalties for men who hit, rape women or are charged with indecent exposure.

i knew someone who was a victim of a murder.

the murderer was "out on bail" for another assault and had priors ...

5 thousand dollars?!?!?!?!

this sickens me

I want to know WHO set the bail at $5k. Does anyone have the contact no. of the judge, police station, or whatever...? There should be a public outcry against the authorities who letting the savage loose again.

Why aren't they publishing a photo of this guy? I certainly would want to know what he looks like so I can avoid him at all costs. While he's free and roaming the streets. Doing whatever the f*ck he wants to do to people.

Right, the victim's photos get published but the attacker remains faceless. Where the fairness in that?

hah hah hah! yes!

mob justice anyone?

This is the second incident in 2 weeks where a man attacks women that spurn their advances in public. It's undeniable proof that the NYPD needs to start cracking down on men who harass women in public. My biggest fear when a random man makes lewd comments to me on the sidewalk is something exactly this type of retaliatory violence. And it's certainly not unique to NYC, but we should be setting an example with such cases.

As for the few comments here regarding immigrants, this case has nothing to do with where this man is from. The tragic van accident on Madison the other day was caused by a man who is a native NYer. This is about men who have had a history of violence against women not being caught. I'm afraid we may be regressing back to the days when women used to carry around mace.

NYC is a male oriented city. The "values" are all about zero empathy and solidarity. So it requires a change in mentality as well as official policies.

used to? i still carry around my pepper spray for scum just like this

$5000 for such a brutal assault? Come on, he didn't snatch a purse or slap her once!

This would be a great opportunity to raise some money, law-makers.

Bail doesn't "raise money." It's returned to the person who posted it as long as they appear in court. That's all it's supposed to do: guarantee that they will appear.

I do agree that $5000 seems low, but it would be based on things like "ties to the community," whether he has a passport or a history of travel out of the country, and his past history regarding court appearances. In his case, he has been arrested before, and if he has always appeared in court as required that can be taken into consideration. If he owns a home, if he has maintained regular employment, those things would be taken into account.

Bail isn't supposed to be a punishment, and isn't supposed to be set at a level that will prevent a person from being able to post it. It's not supposed to keep a person locked up until they are tried. If a judge thinks that is necessary, there doesn't have to be any bail set at all. If the prosecution successfully argues that an accused person is a flight risk or a "threat to the community," or may threaten witnesses, etc., bail can be denied. It's usually denied in cases of capital crimes, under the presumption that an accused person will be more likely to forfeit any amount of bail when facing the death penalty.

Other than in those cases of "preventative detention," though, it's part of that whole "presumption of innocence" thing. Until he's convicted, he's "innocent" and can't be kept in jail.

I think beating up two random women for no reason counts as a "threat to the community" that is deserving of a higher bail.

I wonder if he's related to this Kolenovic from Brooklyn:

http://gothamist.com/2007/01/01/brooklyn_boxer.php

But legally it doesn't, or you could make the same argument against anyone that is accused of a violent crime: "he did it once, he might do it again."

Maybe so. But it's still missing the point: under our justice system isn't, today, someone who "beat up two women." He's someone accused of that, but until tried and convicted he is "innocent."

Seems like it can be unfair, when you're convinced that a person is guilty. But to anyone who is ever wrongly accused of a crime, it probably seems pretty fair.

Another filthy animal brought up in a culture that allows savages like this to thrive. I hope he spends enough time in jail for that attitude of his to get adjusted by the other inmates.

I can't get over the $5000 bail. Did that at least come with restraining orders? As a woman, I'm absolutely horrified that this creep is out on the loose.

Before I pass judgement I would need to know what she was wearing that night.

That really funny! Some Albanian humor!?

I excuse your stupidity!

The guy's a troll. All he wants is emotional reactions and attention. You can tell just by his handle. Ignore him. Don't get mad at him.

How far is this "insightful" comment away from the Taliban type of misogyny?

man! sometimes the masses abundant and profound stupidity makes me sick!

You really need to respect other cultures more. How do you expect to learn other ways when you do not have any tolerance?

this comment is the epitome of misogyny! keep up the good work Fucktard!

Actually, such defence was used by Lebanese attackers in Australia on several occasions. They were "provoked" to rape local women, on account of their attire. I guess some men simply cannot help themselves when there's someone nearby showing some skin.

Last year, three of us had to physically stop some clown from nether parts of eastern Mediterranean from chasing a woman into traffic on W.B'way. What started as a banter turned into screams in unintelligible language, punctuated by "you funky b*tch" then by a chase. They just don't know how to take "no" for an answer & live with it.

Jesus christ, calm down. This is probably a joke.

So, you can beat the crap out of 2 women and get out on bail for $5000? But, if Plaxico Burress accidentally shoots HIMSELF with an unregistered gun he goes to prison. Makes total sense.

It does make sense, because Plaxico Burress also is out on bail. And if this guy is convicted, he'll also go to prison.

yeah, well albanians, by and large, have the advantage of not being black.

Please remember this case and others like it when considering our country's immigration policies. Leaders of both political parties want to bring more Dzemal Kolenovics into the country, and grand amnesty to those here illegally.

No one has advocated allowing criminals into the country. The fact that he may be an immigrant is completely irrelevant.

I find it ghoulish that you would use this terrible incident to advance your anti-immigrant lunacy.

It's true idiots like this that adhere to this PC nonsense in an attempt to be popular and throw common sense out the window that need to be silenced. Women getting beaten and raped, gang violence, social services bleeding states into bankruptcy, jobs taken away for cheap, sub-par labor, diseases once thought eradicated in the US are now popping up again, not to mention the explotation of a lot of illegals by criminal syndicates and the US employers who enslave them.

We need to get back to using common sense, looking and listening to statistics and numbers and NOT emotion otherwise the US is destined to be a 3rd world nation, and soon.

Anti-immigrant lunacy? Remember you said that when the influx of people from outside of this country take away your basic living needs, like water and food. It's not lunacy to want immigration curbed. It's lunacy not to.

hang him at City Hall.

the few albanians i know are definitely overly "macho"

Finding the ability to walk upright recently makes them think they are the result of being the offspring of a superior race. Hence they can do whatever the f- - - they want.

Where the f' is the court system?

"An estimated one in three women in Albania have been hit, beaten or subjected to other physical violence within their families."

http://www.amnesty.org.ru/library/Index/ENGEUR110052006?open&of=ENG-ALB

So there is no domestic abuse in the U.S.? Weird, I didn't know that.

He's right about the Albanians. They were here first. Before the Scots-English Protestants. Their house. Their rules.

I don't get how the law works. He made bail and is now out doing whatever the fuck he wants (like not having a job probably, am I right people!?).

But now what? Does he have a hearing or anything? Can he face jail time? I cannot fathom justice allowing this human blight to roam free.

Yes, he was charged with felonies, he faces jail time after a trial or a plea deal.