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Sure, World Breastfeeding Week isn't until August, but the lactivists can celebrate a small victory today. The NY Post reports that "the Brooklyn Public Library was forced to apologize to a new mother after a security guard scolded her on two occasions for breast-feeding her daughter in a children's book area." The female security guard was allegedly unaware that New York law dictates that women have the right to breast-feed at any time, in any location. The mom, Danielle Glanvill, said the guard "was uncomfortable with the flesh of my breast being exposed and told me what I was doing was 'inappropriate in front of the children'," and walked away when she tried to explain the law. After contacting the New York Civil Liberties Union, the guard was transferred to a different branch, memos were hung up, the library apologized, and the breast-feeding continues amongst the books in Brooklyn.
Brooklyn Library Apologizes to Breast-Feeding Mother
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"Lactivists" is such a terrible word....
"Lactivists" is such a terrible word....
Sorry for the double post.
"World Breastfeeding Week isn't until August"
Wait... What?
Which branch is this at exactly?
Just curious.
I heard it was the Flatlands branch.
www.instantrimshot.com
'inappropriate in front of the children'
The children who themselves are of or around the age for breastfeeding... Yeah, they'd be traumatized by seeing that.
Yeah, no. The children's section includes young adult books. And lord knows that at 12 years old I wouldn't have been able to quietly handle that in a mature manner.
I didn't know children still breastfed at ages 5-16! Who knew?
Was she breastfeeding in a discreet manner or was she doing it as an exhibitionist in-your-face political statement hoping to provoke a reaction and/or a lawsuit?
Aren't you always complaining about how people are too easily offended?
Aren't you always complaining about how people are too easily offended?
LOL... owned.
There's a difference between being offended when nobody is trying to offend you and being offended when someone intentionally tries to provoke you. Just sayin'
Is there anything that indicates any intentional provocation in this incident?
I was commenting on the "lactivists" in general. They sure as hell have tried to be provocative.
Love the incoherent logic. If someone mentions that people are sometimes too easily offended, that somehow means they can never be offended or that any behavior, anywhere, any time must also be acceptable. Yeah, that makes sense.
Every case can be judged on its own merits, genius. Too complex a concept for you obviously.
You appear to have prefaced your strawman with a remark about logic. Care to correct that?
As I asked EastRiver, is there anything that indicates any intentional provocation in this incident?
What merits are you using to judge this case?
Obviously your reading comprehension isn't very good. I never claimed there was any 'intentional provocation,' I simply posed the question speculating if that may have been the case. FYI: That squiggly mark (?) at the end of a sentence tells you it's a question.
Re-read your latest comment, and then read my first comment in this thread...
This is America after all. We think children don't know about sex or haven't seen breasts until they're 18 years old.
I wonder if Amanda Harlech has an opinion on this.
I wonder if Amanda Harlech has an opinion on this.
Matty, I'm that important to you?
Flattering comment.
The real nuisance of lactivists is how think any woman that uses formula is subhuman and should be ridiculed or shunned.
Show me any clip or quote that states this is their stance or opinion, or are you just talking out of your ass?
Where the hell have you been? You must not have children or have any friends with children. There is a rather strong trend these days of well educated upper middle and upper class women to breast feed and frown on those that don't. Magazines catering to this crowd also pushes the philosophy of breast feeding being superior even though there is no scientific evidence to this as fact. So if anyone is talking out their ass it's you.
Interesting that you didn't answer my question, and instead provided some tidbit about "a strong trend." There's a fact for you.
I both have a child and know people who have children, and know that breastfeeding is encouraged by the medical community as it has been proven that antibodies in breastmilk help protect the infant. What I asked, and you didn't answer, is where have you read that "lactavists" shunned and berated women who used formula? Anyone with children knows that most women cannot exclusively breastfeed, and need to use a combination of both.
And if you're one of those who believe that breastfeeding is not benefical to the health of the child, you better be careful not to fall off the flat end of the earth.
Interesting that you didn't answer my question
What question? Your line about "show me a clip"? Maybe you think I was referring to the people in this particular article. I clearly said "lactivists", not "these lactivists". Anyway, everyone I know that has taken a birthing class in New York has been drilled with a one sided argument for breast feeding.
Anyone with children knows that most women cannot exclusively breastfeed, and need to use a combination of both.
My point exactly. This is why the crowd that makes woman feel substandard for not doing it exclusively is so dangerous.
as it has been proven that antibodies in breastmilk help protect the infant.
No, that has never been proven scientifically and I challenge you to find a article in a credible scientific journal that says it has been. Herein lies the problem. Either someone lied to you or you misinterpeted the information that was presented to you. And now you're spreading it.
And if you're one of those who believe that breastfeeding is not benefical to the health of the child, you better be careful not to fall off the flat end of the earth.
I never said that. Nice try though.
There once was a boy from Moline,
Who was weaned at the age of nineteen.
Said he, "I'll admit
There's no milk in the tit,
But think of the fun that it's been."
Thank you.
I'm wondering what the memos said...
As punishment, Brooklyn Library officials must walk up to the Bronx and fetch me breastmilk from a Cambodian immigrant.
I only drink the finest Breast Milks.
You dig that lemongrass taste too?
..it was a Chappelle's Show joke.
I hate "lactivists" and their whole argument. So sick of it! I've been lectured by "feminist" blowhards so many times about this. What a ridiculous cause!
Yes, feeding your child the food they are most suited for is a ridiculous cause.
The real problem is the idiots with cheap badges who don't know anything about the law enforcing their idea of the law.
You got that right. BPL guards are useless. I took a picture of an inscription on a wall in the foyer of the central library. The idiot guard, who had previously been doing nothing more than chatting with the female employee at the door, suddenly says "Hey, no pictures! You can't take pictures here!" Okay, nitwit. I already got the picture anyway. Obviously another brain surgeon who thinks that if the flash didn't fire, you didn't take a picture.
I'm offended by her usage of the term "flesh of my breast". Other than that, I've got no issue with public breastfeeding because while I enjoying taking *candy* from a baby I dislike denying it actual *food*.
Most breastfeeding mothers feel the same way about this issue because they all believe their child, being the most precious thing on earth, deserves whatever they want whenever they want it. Frankly, I prefer not to see euphoric mothers frothing at the mouth as they stare longingly into their child's eyes and get their nipple sucked. This person was clearly looking for attention (nipple bearing not withstanding) if she had to go to the CLU instead of officials at the library to address the issue. And for the record, breast milk is not sexy.
You managed to fit all the strawmen talking points in one post. Congratulations.
Your comment says a lot more about you insecurities than it does about the leagal right to breastfeed in public.
Boobs are fat and glands. They are sacs of tissue. They are human udders. Get over it.
They are also extremely awesome. Praise those marvelous mammaries.
Living around Park Slope, the mommy capital of Brooklyn, I have never seen a mother breastfeeding her child in an "exhibitionist" manner (whatever the hell that means) - nor have any of you, I imagine. Oh yes, I'm sure there are plenty of mothers out there DYING to fling off their tops and show off their juggs, using the feeding their crying baby as a convenient excuse.
You childless people don't seem to get it. Mothers feed their babies in public because the child is hungry, and newborns need to eat every few hours.
Time for everyone to grow up.
Sounds like another case of one of those creepy exhibitionist breastfeeding nazis who deliberately exposes her gross mommy boobs in public in order to make people feel uncomfortable and then she can run to the press to claim discrimination when somebody asks them to politely cover up, which gives the mammary nazis license to fake outrage and receive more free ink for their "cause" in the press.
Fact is, most normal women who have respect for the people around them know that they can breastfeed in public as long as they are discrete. I've never seen anybody, man woman or child, scold a discretely breastfeeding woman for doing what nature intends. This isn't Africa where women's naked boobs hanging to the ground with two babies clinging to them is a common and normal sight, so to the lactivists I say, Show some respect for the people around you and cover up. Otherwise, you will get no respect from me.
Agreed. I am a woman, i do not like seeing women breastfeeding, it make me uncomfortable, the same way a couple mauling one another publicly does, there are just certain things i dislike, however unlike public groping i realize breast feeding is a necessity but, honestly there are breast pumps that if you need to go somewhere public you can prepare in advance or again go off to some remote area, why should i have to see that? I do my best to respect my fellow humans on a daily basis(which is a challenge in itself in NY)I can't just change the channel. I know not everyone will like my opinion but, that's why it's mine!
Just so you know, that's not how breast pumping works. You can't "prepare in advance" all the milk a child needs for the day. It's not like a gas pump. The body produces milk cyclically as the baby drinks it, which is why women's breasts get sore around when the baby needs to eat, they're engorged with milk.
By your logic, the mother should carry around a breast pump device, pump the milk, put it in a bottle, and then feed the child as opposed to just feeding him from her breast? All because you're "uncomfortable"?
You're right, you can't "change the channel," but you can turn around or "not look." How about that?
So you're saying a breast pump couldn't be used to fill A bottle for the alotted time she would be at the library, so she wouldn't have to do this in public? A woman couldn't fill a single bottle or two and carry it with her for those times she would be in public??
Cause this is what google shows me when i checked regarding breast pumped milk;
How long can I store my breast milk?
The following are some general breast milk storage guidelines:
* At room temperature (less than 77°F) for 4 to 8 hours
* At the back of a refrigerator for 3 to 8 days
* At the back of a freezer for up to 3 months
Like someone else mentioned below, COMMON COURTESY, i'll argue the same if someone's picking their nose in public... I don't wanna see it, REGARDLESS of how many people think it's natural or whatever.
Honestly, I have never seen anyone react to a woman modestly breast feeding her baby.
However, I don't like to see it in restaurants. I was eating dinner with one of my girl friends only a week ago and both of us were a little put off by the boobage and nipple suckeling going on at our neighboring table. Really, no blanket involved here. It was an older mother with her crusty old man hubby, infant, and two other couples other friends and a whole lot of lactating exhibitionist behavior going down.
In public, whatever- not my bussiness. But in a space where people are paying to eat thier food. Have some common curtosey. No leaky nipples at the dinner table!
correction : courtesy
I agree. But what annoys me above all else is that some women feel that they should whip out a titty and breastfeed in the most uncomfortable of places just to make a point.
Couldn't she just find a ladies' room? I mean, is it really necessary to breastfeed in the children's library stacks? Whatever happened to the days of common courtesy ...
This is ok, but if I take a leak in the reference section, the cops are called. Double standard if ever there was one.
This is ok, but if I take a leak in the reference section, the cops are called. Double standard if ever there was one.
Puritans that think somebody might be corrupted by witnessing breast feeding fall into absurdity. Is not a sexual act people! Banning such natural caring acts but allowing the obscene repression that is purely stupidity from the right.
I possible solution for all the "offended" might be a piece of cloth or blanket over the provocative flesh of the woman while the "act" takes place in public. Taliban approved!
I agree with the people who say toss a blanket over top, but really, the only thing I take issue with here is that the woman went to the CLU without, if I'm reading this article correctly, first contacting the library. if she did first approach the library, I apologize, but if she went to the CLU first, then she was looking for a fight.
I'm kind of torn here. I'm all for women having their cans out in public, but having a kid hanging off of one of them is kind of creepy.
Wow - all the ignorant comments on here... I must remember to breastfeed in public more often to get more people used to it. ;0D
First of all, I always breastfeed discreetly, and yes, I have gotten some negative reactions, though this is not the norm. Secondly, do you seriously think it's ok to ask a woman to go sit on a toilet in a public restroom to feed her infant? Honestly! It's the cliché response to that request, but "Would you like to go eat *your* lunch in the restroom?" Thirdly, for the woman who wishes we would all pump and then feed baby a bottle, there are more health benefits to actually feeding from the breast than to pumping and giving a bottle - just check the World Health Organization's "heirarchy of infant feeding." And thank you to the poster who points out that no woman should have to go through all of the pain-in-the-butt of pumping just because some people are unreasonably uncomfortable.
The person who stated that there are no health benefits to breastfeeding should perhaps take up reading medical journals. Countless studies showing the superiority of breastfeeding for infant health tell us that breastfed babies have fewer ear infections, lower respiratory infections, are less likely to be hospitalized from RSV, are less likely to develop celiac disease or diabetes, are less likely to wind up obese, are less likely to end up with certain cancers (as are their breastfeeding mothers)... the list goes on and on. For the sake of children, breastfeeding should be promoted.
What? Are you trying to tell us that mixtures of artificial ingredients are not superior to what human infants evolved to feed on? Inconceivable!
Ooh! A new study just came out about breastfeeding and SIDS. Gotta love this line: "Exclusive breastfeeding at 1 month cut the risk of SIDS in half."
I forgot in my previous post to address the poster who claimed that most women need to use a combination of breastmilk and formula. This is just plain untrue. Most women may end up doing this, but it is not technically *needed*. A very few women may legitimately need to supplement for medical reasons, but honestly and unfortunately, supplementation is usually done for convenience or because of lack of understanding about how breastfeeding actually works. I do not in any way intend to be disrespectful of women who make this choice, but many, many women believe that their bodies could not provide for their babies when this is simply not the case. Lactation consultants can provide real help in such situations.
One more eensy weensy pickayune thing. Since breastmilk is the biological norm for infant feeding (read: it's what babies are supposed to be nourished with), it would be more technically correct for the article to have read, "Formula feeding at 1 month doubled the risk of SIDS."
(Throw tomatoes all you want. Dem's da facts.)
Breast-feeding should remain a private act. It's only in the last few years that these militant mothers have felt the need to become exhibitionists and force this spectacle onto everyone. 30 years ago, no one would have dreamt of doing this in public.
Have a little modesty, people. You're grossing people out.
When I was a baby in the 1960s, No woman would dare breastfeed in public. I was exclusively fed a diet of scientifically tested and approved hygenic formula and I grew strong, healthy, and completely free of morals.
Wait, you can feed babies with breasts? That's not what I've been doing with them.