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About 200 people gathered outside the NY Post's offices in midtown Manhattan to protest the Sean Delonas-drawn editorial cartoon showing a dead chimp, shot by police who say, "They'll have to find someone else to write next stimulus bill." The protesters shouted, "Shut down the Post! Shut down the Post!"
WCBS 2 reports that Reverend Al Sharpton said, "Here, you have someone using race-tinged cartoons to racially offend the president...This inference is something that is divisive, something that is offensive and something that should not be quietly accepted," calling it worse than Don Imus's remarks about the Rutgers women's basketball team. And NAACP president Hazel Dukes said, "I'm outraged that they'd have the audacity to use this cartoon and not think that it would have an impact for people…how in the world do you have the audacity?"
Post editor in chief Col Allan defended the cartoon yesterday, saying, "It broadly mocks Washington's efforts to revive the economy. Again, Al Sharpton reveals himself as nothing more than a publicity opportunist." And Delonas spoke to CNN, saying the controversy was "absolutely friggin' ridiculous...Do you really think I'm saying Obama should be shot? I didn't see that in the cartoon." Daily News columnist Michael Daly thinks his rival paper should apologize: "The cartoon's conscious intent may have been to say the stimulus bill as written by Congress is such a mess it could have been penned by a monkey. But say 'stimulus' to readers and they rightly think 'Obama.' He is as much a personification of the package as FDR was of the New Deal."
Sharpton's organization, the National Action Network, says that Sharpton and director Spike Lee will "lead members of the National Action Network in showing their disgust and outrage by dumping papers outside the New York Post' Doorsteps on Friday at 5:00 p.m." Tonight, there's a strategy session at the NAN headquarters (106 West 145th Street at Lenox Avenue).
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we've been calling bush a chimp for years, why is this news?
In case anyone forgot - the economy is still all fucked up.
We need to start ignoring Al Sharpton. He is probably one of the biggest bigots out there.
he's so annoying, the only racist ones are the ones protesting for thinking it's racist. if they thought normally they would realize calling someone a monkey since there was a monkey incident isn't racist. god theyre annoying and make racist people (like themselves) want to be racist.
the audacity of indignation.
white guilt died on november 5th - go away sharpton.
I think it was racist, So, I'm a racist too, right?
Please. The NY Post ran that knowing it has racist implications. They wanted the attention and they got it.
And you know this how exactly?
"And you know this how exactly?"?
Um, what would that be exactly?
- I know I think it was racist.
- I know the Rag known as the NY post wants attention.
- I know the Rag known as the NY post would have to be managed by complete morons (Quite possible) NOT to know it has racist implication
That last one is distinctly possible..Sooooo, what are you asking, exactly?
I sure don't know.
Direct quote from you:
The NY Post ran that knowing it has racist implications.
And I'm asking you how you know that. The chimp looks nothing like Obama. Obama didn't write the bill. In all likelihood they ran it not thinking it had any implications of anything.
"And I'm asking you how you know that. The chimp looks nothing like Obama. Obama didn't write the bill."
And I answered (Quoting myself):
"I know the Rag known as the NY post would have to be managed by complete morons (Quite possible) NOT to know it has racist implication
So, Was I vague?
Let me take a wild ass guess: You are ignoring the racial implications of associating an African American with a monkey, right?
"In all likelihood they ran it not thinking it had any implications of anything."
Again, that would be answered by my comment:
I know the Rag known as the NY post would have to be managed by complete morons (Quite possible) NOT to know it has racist implication
Clear enough for you? If not, that's quite a shame.
Really. I'll loose a lot of sleep over it...
Actually, you will lose a lot of sleep over it.
If you were to loose any sleep over it, you would be, grammatically speaking, an idiot.
Here are a few guides:
http://tinyurl.com/ac6cdn
and my personal favorite
http://tinyurl.com/lxsff
"If you were to loose any sleep over it, you would be, grammatically speaking, an idiot."
(sigh)
One typo and branded an idiot.
Grammatically speaking, that is.
Woe is me...
It's lose, not loose. Nuff said.
the NY post would have to be managed by complete morons (Quite possible) NOT to know it has racist implication
Only if you assume the chimp is supposed to be Obama. And since you aren't inside the head of the cartoonist or the editors you can't make that assumption - especially since Obama, say it with me, DIDN"T WRITE THE BILL. To say you know what the cartoonist or the editors were thinking is crazy. Seems more likely you are just going off on the Post because it's conservative and calling the paper racist fits your agenda.
Sharpton is such a tool.
I promise to never ever read another article with his face or name associated with it. EVER.
I guess things have been pretty quiet for him and his renegade followers. Perhaps he should try his hand at a real profession?
What a waste of MFn space this bigot is.
God Bless You, Reverend Al Sharpton,
the post knew what they're doing and it's not the monkeys and typewriter bit. if they think their readerships even remotely knows this reference, then I have a bridge to see you at Park Row.
the Post, a right leaning paper. the right knows every GD
connotation, inference, and blatant racial references in the entire world of right wingdom.
from macaca, kafir, to yellow cur to who knows what.
You sir, are a moron.
you can go eff yourself
did I touch a nerve? then I'm glad.
you mean I'm not getting a xmas card from you?
First seek to understand, then to be understood.
You do understand that an actual monkey was shot by police on February 17th, and the comic is clearly a political reference to this...
http://tinyurl.com/bs2ygz
really? you mean my PHD is useless on teh web?
and again, the Post knew what they were doing.
never under estimate the stupidity of the masses.
you're telling me a majority readership knows anything on how a bill is passed, or any shakespearean works or references?
did you read any of their reader's comments?
What do you mean, "you people"?
BTDubs, you are getting a Christmas card from me.
But lets just be friendz. kbai
Valreiob is an idiot. How old are you?
Felix, please stick to posts about horses.
Should you decide stick your nose in more complicated subject matter, please be sure to seek advice before posting.
There is a fine line between contributing and being a nuisance.
Oh, and your posts about the NYU protest are ignorant irresponsible. Do you even have a job?
I'm not sure if this was racist or not -- it may have been unintentionally so. But what I am sure of is that President Obama does not need, nor want, Al Sharpton fighting his battles for him.
Off the coattails, buddy. You're black. Obama's black. But the similarities end there.
obama's half white.
Fair enough -- and Sharpton's half horse's-ass.
What race is Sharpton's hair?
I hate Gothamist commenters sometimes.
If you walk up to a black person and say, "Hello, monkey," it's not the same as walking up to a white person and saying, "Hello, monkey." C'mon, this is the real world we live in, you know what the term monkey/chimp/ape means. You aren't that stupid, are you?
Anyone feigning surprise at the difference is full of shit. That's the hard reality. Sharpton is correct on this issue.
You do understand that an actual monkey was shot by police on February 17th, and the comic is clearly a political reference to this...
http://tinyurl.com/bs2ygz
Big Al was hiding for a while and I am sure he reads all the quality papers that are printed in NYC. He was just waiting for this one.
Meanwhile Obama and Al have very little in common. OB is half white and has intelligence. Al is all black and is stupid and a race baiter.
That is called a reality check.
Perhaps Big Al should pronounce a Fatwa on the Post's cartoonist, editor and publisher. And while he isn't doing anything with his spare time, shouldn't he be finding a final and permanent burial place for his good buddy James Brown?
Reality Check: Exactly.
The Rag known as the NY Post would have to be Complete Morons NOT to have known the implications.
If the cartoonist had used a donkey instead of a monkey, then perhaps no one would have made a big deal out of this. But, by using a monkey, he should have known what the reaction would be, whether his intentions were racist or not.
yeah, if you are A. racist and B. no monkey was shot this week, then you can change your mind. but if you are not racist, and not thinking about a black person as a monkey, you don't change it. a monkey was shot this week, a monkey is stupid, and they made the comic.
the only racist ones are the ones complaining about it, thinking about how just because a monkey is drawn it has to be a black person.
race isn't real, idiots.
Do any of you commenters who bandy the charges of racism around so freely know who Tawana Brawley is?
Do any of you know the history of that character in the red shirt left of Sharpton?
Or the bourgeois cultural nationalist (West Coast Black Panther Party jargon for 'black racist') to Sharpton's right?
Oh geez. Sharpton is trying another attempt at relevance again. Why do we have to continually suffer that idiot?
If the chimp is supposed to be the author of the stimulus bill AND President Obama, it raises the question: who actually believes Obama wrote the bill? The first thing I thought when I saw the cartoon was they were comparing the Congressional staffers and lobbyists who wrote the bill to chimps. Never crossed my mind that it was supposed to be Obama.
Well it didn't to anyone else either until Sharpton opined.
It didn't cross my mind either because I know that the POTUS doesn't write bills.
"The first thing I thought when I saw the cartoon was they were comparing the Congressional staffers and lobbyists who wrote the bill to chimps."
Same here. That's what happens when you're unfortunate enough to understand how the system actually works. You miss out on all the righteous indignation.
Well put. I wonder if people will catch on?
Original Gothamist post here: Vote on the poll!
http://gothamist.com/2009/02/18/does_this_post_cartoon_go_too_far.php
I'd like to know what people thought of the cartoon before Sharpton got involved and questioned in a way that didn't imply racism. You know, a scientific poll.
Or maybe a poll that didn't force a specific answer. How does a person vote that thinks the cartoon is not racist and funny?
"Or maybe a poll that didn't force a specific answer. How does a person vote that thinks the cartoon is not racist and funny?"
When I first saw that poll I thought it was much funnier than the cartoon itself. If you pay attention to them, you'll see that Gothamist's polls are almost never serious.
I'm tellin' you, it was a direct (yes, distasteful) shot (no pun) at the monkey who was killed by police for eating some woman's eyes and nose!
http://tinyurl.com/bs2ygz
valierob, should you and your ninja turtles get lost?
I don't like that poll. You only have 2 choices.
Its racist
Its not racist, but it's not funny either
Why only 2 choices?
I didn't think it was racist, and I did think it was funny.
The cartoon was offensive because of the historical use of racist comparisons of Africans to monkeys.
However, there are hundreds of more important issues and examples of racism to protest rather than the publication of a cartoon.
Bush vs. Monkey Photos:
http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/images/blbushmonkey1.htm
In the past, Jews, Italians and Irish have all been drawn in cartoons as monkeys.
You are correct, sir. This is historical fact.
I didn't realize that Bush was Afro American. I am deeply offended.
Let's not start with photos of professional athletes' comparative photos please.
But where does it say the chimp is the cartoon is Obama? Why do you assume that?
One other thing that comes to note is that chimpanzees are not monkeys, they are apes. Big difference.
Such a joke...
because of all this I just signed up for the ny post home delivery.
Well put. I wonder if people will catch on?
I don't remember this big a controversy over Delonas' habit of portraying Muslims with gigantic hook noses, or his homophobic-tinged cartoons. When oh when will bigoted unfunny cartoonists learn to pick their targets more wisely?
It seems pretty clear to me that if the chimp is meant to be Obama then it's racist. I have to say though that when I saw the comic I didn't think that. As has been said, Obama didn't write the stimulus bill. It seems more like a poor attempt to use the 'shot chimp' story to comment on the fact that the cartoonist thinks the stimulus bill was written by a bunch of idiots. Not every monkey reference is a racial one. Ever heard "a monkey could do that job"? It's not referring to black people, it's referring to lack of intelligence and competence. It seems to me far more likely that this was the implication of the cartoon. Now, if the quote was "now they'll have to Biden sign the stimulus bill"....that'd be different.
Daily News columnist Michael Daly: But say 'stimulus' to readers and they rightly think 'Obama.' He is as much a personification of the package as FDR was of the New Deal."
The New Deal lasted a decade and has been analyzed by historians for over half a century. Obama has been in office a month and the ink is still wet on this bill. Apple and oranges.
Damn naggers.
http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/155469
I found this video that has news about the cartoon from a few different sources. It also brings up some background information about it.
http://www.newsy.com/videos/firestorm_over_editorial_cartoon/
I found this video that has news about the cartoon from a few different sources. It also brings up some background information about it.
http://www.newsy.com/videos/firestorm_over_editorial_cartoon/
When I saw it in the paper that morning I thought about the chimp that went crazy the other night...they were saying that the bill was so dumb a monkey could have done it. So you wanna say 'right' paper ha ha stupid dems thats fine, but I dont see it as anything more.
they should use Alfred E Neuman to depict Obama. Bloomberg defended the NY Post. he stated they have the first amendment right yet Bloomberg turn NYC into a police state where activists are bullied, harassed and arrested. Fuck Bloomberg.
did the mayor really defended the NY post?
now we know. I see he's going after the Staten Island, bensonhurst, and bay ridge vote early.
http://www3.allaroundphilly.com/blogs/pottstown/TonyAP/uploaded_images/obama-mad-magazine-cover-751229.jpg
(Obama picture)
i feel a little dumber for reading this thread.
Jews were not really stereotype as chimps, mostly as wolves, bankers, big nosed etc. but here is the new Jewish stereotype image
http://www.finfacts.ie/artman/uploads/2/madoff_SEC_dec122008.jpg
Obama did not write the stimulus bill. The cartoon makes reference to the attack by and subsequent shooting death of the chimpanzee in Connecticut, and if anyone should be offended by making light of that, it is the woman who suffered such horrible injury and her family. Yes, there have been racist comparisons to blacks and monkeys, but that is not the message of the cartoon, which is a critique of the fashioning together of the stimulus bill. Self-appointed racial "leaders" like Al Sharpton deserve to be put in the same media reject pile as David Duke. Shame on those who take him seriously.
http://uncle-semite.com/menschhealth/images/050829_fw_bloomberg_ex.jpg
Bloomberg is so fugly. blah.
I just abhor bigotry of any kind - whether someone has a hooked nose or resembles a chimp should be irrelevant....
Sharpton is a douche plain and simple. He is always looking for attention.
I think the NY Post should apologize to Al Sharpton: for the role their cartoon played in his making a complete ass of himself...again.
This cartoon has nothing to do with race. Anyone who says otherwise is an opportunist or is trying to change the subject from the true issue it speaks of.
Race baiters like Sharpton help keep the liberal media in business.
shut down the NY post? aww man shut up.