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While the 52-member medical team that delivered a California woman's octuplets earlier this week are being hailed for their skills, medical experts are concerned. Nadya Suleman, 33, already had six children when she decided to be implanted, via in vitro fertilization, with frozen embryos left from previous procedures. NYU Fertility Center program director Dr. James Grifo told CBS News, "I know no physician who would put eight embryos in a patient. We don't do that, because of the risks. Our goal as practitioners is to help patients have a healthy offspring. Single pregnancies, where a single baby is born, are the best outcome. And those alone are risky... But we don't start with in-vitro fertilization treatment... I don't know the story, but it does not make sense...Most of us in this situation, a woman under 35, would only put two embryos back... I don't know people putting six embryos back." Speaking to the LA Times, Suleman's mother said her daughter "is not evil, but she is obsessed with children. She loves children, she is very good with children, but obviously she overdid herself."
Octuplets (And Mom's Other 6 Kids) Add to Ethical Questions
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The doctor responsible for this should loose their license. It's infuriating that unwed teens are made to go through psychological counciling before they are able to get an abortion, but this wing-nut sailed right though the system.
Bottom line is, the babies are the ones who end up suffering and in pain. It's totally unnessesary and the doctors know that.
Also, where in the hell did she get the money to do this? IVF costs thousands of dollars and she is single parent with six other kids.
The doctor/facility hasn't be ID'd yet, but I think the American Society for Reproductive Medicine is investigating...
It's a really fascinating (also bewildering) story: Yesterday, her dad said, "She did not seek to have more children. She thought she was going to have one more child," while the AP spoke to her mom, who gave a different take:
Really bizarre, no?The doctors who implanted all those embryos should be held responsible and be forced to pay child support or at least all the medical bills those babies will rack up. Reports already say that the mother's irrational desire for quantity over quality means most if not all of these kids will probably live their lives with "special needs."
The special needs bill will be picked up by the public school system, and since she can't possibly hold down a job as a single mother with 14 children and two aging parents, the state of California will pick up the tab for health care.
She "is not evil, but she is obsessed with children." Yeah that's a great excuse. So she has a mental illness and now it's the 14 children who get to suffer through it.
Why would they proceed with the in-vitro if she already had 6 children?!
It's unnecessary and it somewhat taints the goal of this type of procedures.
isn't this Kaiser permanente one of those managed for profit hmo or something or other.
they choose profit over care and was dumping homeless people to other hospitals? or some other scandal.
props to the NYU medical center md who spoke out, they're an excellent facility.
Kaiser said she came to them at 3 months pregnant and they "presented her the options". She chose to go forward with the 8 babies. I have a suspicion she did this out of the country, given the scrutiny from medical boards in the US. There are a lot of questions to be answered in this case yet.
This from the Huffington Post (I haven't seen it eleswhere):
"Yolanda Garcia, 49, of Whittier, said she helped care for Nadya Suleman's autistic son three years ago.
"From what I could tell back then, she was pretty happy with herself, saying she liked having kids and she wanted 12 kids in all," Garcia told the Long Beach Press-Telegram.
"She told me that all of her kids were through in vitro, and I said 'Gosh, how can you afford that and go to school at the same time?"' she added. "And she said it's because she got paid for it."
Seems strange.
So, she has six kids already, one of them autistic, and she was somehow "paid" to do invitro? Who is the Dad? This is very, very strange.
Some coverage on the teevee said that the sperm came from some donor who is a figure in the community.
I'm glad people here are not taking this as an example of how IVF really works. In my experience we had to sign paperwork saying we understood some implanted embryos might need to be aborted.
As far as "paid to" do invitro, she may have done egg harvesting for sale to others, which can net anywhere from $3,000 to $8,000 for the donor.
But wow, I am surprised there is a doctor that would do this. (I know I shouldn't be, but I still am.)
There will always be a doctor to tell an aging boxer he can still fight, there will always be a doctor willing to work on Michael's nose..... sadly this doctor surprises me not as their checks have been cashed and have no responsibility to what this woman has brought the world.
Well, more kids means more government subsidies, don't it? Yes, and you know what that means...