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Interview with a Shoplifter

010708shopinterview.jpg In these desperate times, even basic necessities like groceries are becoming a luxury for more and more New Yorkers. Thankfully, there's a way to adapt to a reduced income without sacrificing your appetite—assuming you don't have any ethical qualms about theft. One local freelancer who often subsists on a very limited budget has for years eaten like a gourmand by stealing groceries from fine supermarkets. This person agreed to speak with us on the condition of anonymity, for obvious reasons, and shared some invaluable tips for hungry shoppers in search the best five finger discounts in town.

How often do you shoplift? I used to do it very often, almost every day. Now it’s a little less.

How many times a week? Maybe twice a week.

Where do you usually hit? I have a few rotations with Whole Foods, one of the main targets because I’ve figured out the structure, the infrastructure of the place.

You’ve figured out the infrastructure? Correct. I call them blind spots, there are a lot of blind spots.

Okay, I want to talk about your technique in a minute. But where else do you boost? Key Foods occasionally, and then if something is on my way and I want to employ the more improvisational style, I can do that.

What's the average dollar amount of your shoplifting haul per week? $100

What's the biggest score you've made at Whole Foods? Over $50 in one day. I don't remember the exact dollar amount but it was three pounds of wild tuna, two pounds cod fish, one pound of walnuts, three pieces of brie cheese, four carry-on bags of pre-made sushi, one bottle of the best quality Italian olive oil.

What is your ethnicity? I am not American.

Okay, but what do you look like? I am very attractive, very dynamic and full of life and a hopeful future.

Have you ever been caught? I came close once, but I managed to unload the goods before they approached me and I played it out because I knew it was no longer in my bag. They didn’t see me taking it out but they clearly saw me putting it in, so I created a huge scene. I called the manager and I was screaming that I was outraged and so forth.

You flipped it on them? Absolutely. I didn’t appreciate the fact that they took me for a non-professional.

How did you know they were on to you? Just experience. I’ve been doing this for close to six, seven years already, so you get that sense. Even if they don’t look at you directly, it’s the fraction of a second that you feel it.

Do you think the secret to your success is your experience? That’s a part of it, that’s an aspect to it. The second aspect is that it’s out of necessity. This is not for pleasure; you do this because you need to be healthy to continue with your job and your career and maintain yourself in good shape. Because it has a practical application, it adds to the confidence and adds to the purpose and that’s ultimately why it’s a successful adventure.

Do you remember the first thing you shoplifted? Of course, it was a sausage. It was a really expensive sausage that I put under my pants.

You say it’s a necessity, so you don’t feel any moral guilt about stealing? Absolutely not, it’s a job like any other job; it requires professionalism, requires effort, requires time. It’s not an easy thing. And there's a certain amount of risk, like any venture that you get into, any business you get into.

Do you have any advice for aspiring shoplifters? Yes. First, choose your locations carefully, number one. Don't start right away, go there several times, walk around, get to know the people who work there, especially the ones who don't dress in uniform. Number two, the most important: get to know the camera system. You don’t want to be directly under the camera, you don’t want to be in front of the camera, you want to find blind spots, this is my technical term. Beyond the corner or the bottom reach of the camera.

Number three, always have an exit strategy. Meaning put things in different places, in your pocket or under your pants. Don’t do it right away. First you take the item and walk with it for a little bit. Then when the moment is right and the inspiration is correct, you put it in there. And you don’t run away right away, you stay and shop in the store for awhile until the energy comes down and then you calmly walk out. But the bottom line is don’t rush, don’t rush.

So you’ll pick up something at one part of a store but you won’t immediately put it in your coat until a different part of the store? Exactly, it comes from experience. There’s an energy climax and you feel it. When you’re not ready, when you’re afraid or you’re unsure, this is the wrong time to do it, you’ll definitely get caught. You have a fraction of a second when you know what needs to be done and you do it at that moment.

What about alarm systems? Well, groceries never trigger alarms and I usually keep my criminal activities around grocery stores. But I have done a few things with alarm systems; there is a technique to it. There are some stores in which alarms just go on occasionally and the guard and the employees get tired of it. So there are places that are safer to do it. If you do it and get caught somewhere with an alarm system you have to play it as cool as you can and just look really puzzled and come back and so forth. In that situation you have to make the best out of it.

Do you have a plan if you’re caught? Yes. You have to say that you have a lot of money and you're clearly not intending to steal; it was kind of a drunk bet you made with your friend about stealing a sausage from a supermarket. And you apologize and hope for the best.

Are there any places you’re afraid to shoplift? Grocery stores near my home. It’s not necessarily that I’m afraid, it’s just they know me too well and you know there’s a good saying: Don’t cut the tree branch you’re sitting on.

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  • Whole Foods can eat a bag of, uh, organic carots. If someone can steal from them and get away with it, MORE POWER.

  • ChristinaBerg

    No, stealing raises the price of goods and services, sure if its a little here and there its probably not going to be a big deal but there are more folks doing it, its like fake money it drives up prices, in addition the suppliers.

  • Oh and Alice Kennedy... stop with the excuses. When I was 20 I lived in the ghetto and went to bed hungry because I couldn't feed myself. I never thought about food stamps because I was not raised that way. I NEVER STOLE. There is no excuse. If you're hungry you know McD's has a dollar menu right? Really. Just because the sandwich is $9 does not give you the right to be the the "price police" and determine them shoplifting worthy because they overcharge. Consumers set prices. Obviously people buy their sandwiches or they wouldn't charge that. Or maybe they have to charge that because sorry people like you who are full of excuses shoplift from them. Why didn't you visit a food cupboard? Why didn't you go to safe harvest yourself if you needed food? There is no excuse to steal! That sandwich DID NOT BELONG TO YOU. Not a hard concept to grasp. You have NO RIGHT to decided what other people should do with THEIR BELONGINGS. That sandwich belonged to whole foods, not you. They have every right to do with their belongings what they will. Stop making excuses for your lack of character. I can totally tell you'll make it to law school. You're lack of character almost guarantees it.

  • ChristinaBerg

    The mcd dollar menu is not what it used to be, but agree with your statement, also we should not single out or justify targeting a store just because its expensive or we don't agree with prices, after all it can benefit a community, and the supplier benefits or loses due to shoplifters
    I still can't believe the audacity of the person

  • I am a former retail manager who was very good at catching losers like this guy and making sure they went to jail. Shoplifting is NOT a victimless crime. You ARE hurting store employees. When a store has a high shrink or theft you are putting the manager's job at risk. I was a young wife with a young child at home. Why should I lose my job because someone's mommy never taught them "You don't take things that don't belong to you."  Also, when a store has high theft the store budget for employees is often downsized so that the corp can recoup losses. So that means some single mom trying to make ends meet loses her second job or some older guy who just wants to help pay his bills in his old age loses his job or some kid trying to work through the summer for money for college loses his job etc... Just so Mr. Shoplifter up here can shove a sausage down his inadequate pants.

    Stores in low-income areas with high shoplifting rates go out of business which then hurts the community. Now the honest people in the community have no place to shop. The area becomes even less desirable and home prices plummet further. Future retailers think twice about moving in there. All because of "I am not American (CLEARLY) " losers like the one showcased above. 

    Being American means working hard for what we have. Since when did we become such an "entitled" nation where we feel we deserve things even if we have to steal from others? There is not character in anyone anymore. But let this be a lesson... I busted a stupid woman for stealing $10 sneakers for her kid (after she bought herself a belt and shoes). In the end the woman ended up serving jail time and paid almost $500 in court costs for stupid 10 dollar sneakers. She had a shoplifting history a mile long. That was my first bust and I enjoyed watching her squirm in handcuffs. Pretty sure she didn't think it was worth it when she got busted. And even though I am not a retailer anymore I still watch other shoppers when I'm out. And if I see "sausage in my pants" guy I will bust him too! So he better watch out.

  • ChristinaBerg

    Its true shoplifting raises prices especially in tight margins of 2% of profit, its like fake money raising prices, however I disagree about low-income areas, stores make decisions to locate based on transit, sales,etc, wealthier areas have their share of shoplifting, and stores tax incentives often locate in places. 

  • Just graduated college, studying for a certain standardized test so I can apply to get a certain advanced degree. I worked my way through college, but tuition was a lot more than I could pay for so had to take out loans. Stole at whole foods after losing a low-paid job that barely covered rent and my monthly student loan payments (approximately $400/month-tried deferring but they rejected me),didn't meet salary requirements (BARELY) for food stamps or public health insurance. I have health problems and without insurance, my medical bills piled up.

    So yes, I stole from Whole Foods. They shouldn't be charging $9 for a stupid sandwich in the first place. I should also add that when I did have the funds, I never stole from them and the amount of money I have spent at that store over the years is quite ridiculous that now that I think about it... Oh by the way, when I went in one night to grab a sandwich (to buy) 45 minutes before they closed, there were only 3 left and the lady said City Harvest comes every night and takes it away.

    What I didn't appreciate was the fact that some guy who called himself a "detective"(yea ok, u spend ur days staring at cameras to see if people steal bread, then follow them around the store. Get a life. Go catch someone about to commit murder. Go rescue some kid from doing drugs. Something, ANYTHING else would probably make your life more productive...and would probably save me some tax dollars.)

    Now I'm afraid I won't get into law/medical school if I get convicted for "petty larceny". Let alone get a job in this economy. Thanks for ruining my life. Asshole.

    It's amazing to me how something so little can completely destroy a future. I firmly believe that my overall contributions to society (and the profit Whole Foods has made from me over the years) more than cancel out my "petty larceny". I was brought out of Whole Foods in handcuffs, then handcuffed to a pole at the precinct. Oh by the way, the detective asked me if I spoke "African/Asian/Latino" (it was one of these. I'm attempting to remain anonymous.) They also joked about my id picture and shouted at me the entire time. The fat one left for a minute, came back with a chocolate bar and cheerily chomped away as he asked what school I went to. It's an Ivy, you idiot and i worked my ass off to get through it.

    I have health concerns and doubt food pantry food will help me in any way.

    I don't even think the "detective" actually saw me put anything in my bag. When the police came and asked him, he couldn't look them in the eye and the officer had to ask again.

    Only after being yelled at (and laughed at) for asking if I could call a lawyer for my own safety, did they force me to take the contents of my bag out. Really? isn't there some sort of law for this.

    The officers who took me away were more civil human beings and said "don't worry, it's not the end of the world, it's only petty larceny and it's your first..." (I think they thought I was going to kill myself or faint).

  • YOU chose to ruin your life by being a THIEF

    If you need food, go down to Social Services and apply for Food Stamps and/or go to a local church/synagogue/mosque and ask them where the nearest food pantry is.

  • Just graduated college, studying for a certain standardized test so I can apply to get a certain advanced degree. I worked my way through college, but tuition was a lot more than I could pay for so had to take out loans. Stole at whole foods after losing a low-paid job that barely covered rent and my monthly student loan payments (approximately $400/month-tried deferring but they rejected me),didn't meet salary requirements (BARELY) for food stamps or public health insurance. I have health problems and without insurance, my medical bills piled up.

    So yes, I stole from Whole Foods. They shouldn't be charging $9 for a stupid sandwich in the first place. I should also add that when I did have the funds, I never stole from them and the amount of money I have spent at that store over the years is quite ridiculous that now that I think about it... Oh by the way, when I went in one night to grab a sandwich (to buy) 45 minutes before they closed, there were only 3 left and the lady said City Harvest comes every night and takes it away.

    What I didn't appreciate was the fact that some guy who called himself a "detective"(yea ok, u spend ur days staring at cameras to see if people steal bread, then follow them around the store. Get a life. Go catch someone about to commit murder. Go rescue some kid from doing drugs. Something, ANYTHING else would probably make your life more productive...and would probably save me some tax dollars.)

    Now I'm afraid I won't get into law/medical school if I get convicted for "petty larceny". Let alone get a job in this economy. Thanks for ruining my life. Asshole.

    It's amazing to me how something so little can completely destroy a future. I firmly believe that my overall contributions to society (and the profit Whole Foods has made from me over the years) more than cancel out my "petty larceny". I was brought out of Whole Foods in handcuffs, then handcuffed to a pole at the precinct. Oh by the way, the detective asked me if I spoke "African/Asian/Latino" (it was one of these. I'm attempting to remain anonymous.) They also joked about my id picture and shouted at me the entire time. The fat one left for a minute, came back with a chocolate bar and cheerily chomped away as he asked what school I went to. It's an Ivy, you idiot and i worked my ass off to get through it.

    I have health concerns and doubt food pantry food will help me in any way.

    I don't even think the "detective" actually saw me put anything in my bag. When the police came and asked him, he couldn't look them in the eye and the officer had to ask again.

    Only after being yelled at (and laughed at) for asking if I could call a lawyer for my own safety, did they force me to take the contents of my bag out. Really? isn't there some sort of law for this.

    The officers who took me away were more civil human beings and said "don't worry, it's not the end of the world, it's only petty larceny and it's your first..." (I think they thought I was going to kill myself or faint).

  • ok so let me tell you the other side from a buyer at whole foods.
    so you steel some shit. Then my low paid ass misses margin. that means the amount I buy stuff for and the amount I sell it for is unbalanced. At whole foods if we make margin we get a cut of the prophets. Its usually enough for a dinner with my girl. So now to make up for margin i have to raise the price of something to compensate. The fat cats at the top never feal the cut. only the customer and the already struggling staff do. So thanks dude. You suck.

  • Proman23

    You know what I'm glad there are so many outstanding citizens that don't steal on here, because if everyone shoplifted they might actually try and catch me lol. I shop lift Koolaid, Tuna, and Candy bars every day. I don't give a fuck about your crappy morals, because my morals feel that those big coperate mother fuckers are charging up the ass and their alot richer then me so they deserve it.

  • ChristinaBerg

    So if everybody was poor ,where would you steal from 

  • nebulae

    #63 chickblao--I completely agree.

  • nebulae

    Oh god, would you people get off this person's back?! It's not a big deal to steal some food here and there if you can't afford it or even if you can afford to buy it. Whole Foods does not loose any money on theft, all is recovered from those that are unfortunate to get caught. When you steal, you still want to eat normal good-tasting food, that's why this guy steal fish and such--this does not matter. Is he supposed to say, "Oh, i am going to get get some food, let me steal this week-old bread"? My god, WF makes SO much cash, a stolen loaf of bread, or even expensive olive oil is nothing for them, yet makes a ton of difference for the one who takes it for free. And wake up, so many people steal, it's like a national sport. Just walk into guards' office in Whole Foods--all four walls are filled with photographs of shoplifters, all ages, all colors. Damn, and don't you dare to compare a stolen candy to :oh, would you steal $10 from me" and "would you steal $800 billion from the country" crap! No, it's not the same. Most shoplifters would not steal from people, only from fat stores. Don't judge.

  • ChristinaBerg

    It is wrong to steal, if everybody stole from the wealthy , there will be no incentive for wealth, like communism

  • Proman23

    YES EXACTLY some one who knows what he is talking about!!! I steal from big cooperate mother fuckers. However I would never steal from a liquor store because those guys are just like me. Stealing 10$ from someone who has 10,000,000$ is different then stealing 10$ from someone who has 20$.

  • ChristinaBerg

    No its not, its like fake money it drives up prices, 

  • EraserGirl

    posting this is so wrong on so many levels. the time of preaching Steal this book and five fingered discounts are over. these days we all know this guys thefts are paid for by the entire consumer base. they raise their prices to cover their shrink and WE have to pay for this guys crimes. what an ahole.

    Gothamist should be ashamed. If he was homeless and was stealing to live i could even see posting this as pitable behavior, but he's not, he's doing it because he's spoiled.

  • Proman23

    Pitful behavior says probly some slut that has everything handed to her by her daddy you have no right to talk. I steal things smiling knowing that most girls and rich kids just have everything handed to them. I don't so I'm sure as hell not going to pay for Groceries.

  • rdsizzle

    A very uninteresting story about some asshole who thinks he's clever. Half the shit he says is not true for sure but the gothamist got what it wanted: some controversy, a full message board and attention from other news outlets. Definitely seems like an "inside job"

    Well done...

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