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Thousands of people who support Israel's actions gathered near the Israeli Consulate yesterday afternoon. Governor David Paterson, one of many elected officials on hand, wore a red hat, which NY1 explains "symboliz[e] the red alerts many in Israel experience day after day, under rocket fire from Hamas-controlled Gaza." He said, "We recognize the right of the state of Israel to protect itself. We recognize the right of the men and women of that great state to protect its own children." Paterson added, "For the last three and a half years, Israel's been bombarded daily by a number of rockets coming from Gaza. The founding charter of Hamas calls for the obliteration of the state of Israel."
Senator Charles Schumer asked the crowd, "What country would be asked not to defend itself? Would any country that had rockets launched at it day after day, week after week, month after month, year after year be told, 'Let the rockets continue? Just sit down and talk?" People also yelled, according to the AP, "Israel yes, Hamas no!"
In Times Square, there was a smaller pro-Palestinian demonstration of about 150. One protester said, "I am here to stop the massacre in Gaza. It has to stop right now." A fight broke out when someone "stomped on a Palestinian flag"—ten people were arrested and seven cops suffered minor injuries. And today, it's reported that Israeli troops have moved into Gaza City.
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Where's that dopey waiter and his tape when we need him?
Israel is quickly losing support after their killing of Red Cross and UN members (the latter of which killed during the 3 hour humanitarian cease fire). These politicians need to get with the picture and realize that for many middle eastern immigrants, this issue is paramount and their support of disproportionate military strikes by Israel leads directly to lost votes.
There are more Jews than Middle Eastern immigrants in NYS to be sure, but many Jewish people I've spoken to recently are increasing apprehensive about their support for a nation that kills Red Cross and UN workers.
The NY Post actually had a good article yesterday on how it has been Hamas killing her people, not Israel and it's justified by saying that the people voted, by an overwhelming majority a terrorist group to lead them. Hamas has done nothing to improve the lives of her people and continues to launch missile attacks against Israel.
The article goes on to explain that no one anywhere should have a shred of sympathy for Hamas, that they deliberately place munitions near homes, schools, hospitals, mosques etc knowing the IDF will target those areas; Hamas uses her own people as human shields to gain sympathy from a global audience, and to the affect of how many on each side have been killed, I will no doubt not deny the loss the civilian life on the Palestinian side, but again those people are human shields and the civilian death toll is far less than the militant death toll. Sadly, this is war and in war, civilians die—it sucks, it's the sad truth—
What's funny about the Hamas attacks, is that they broke a cease fire/truce and the attacks were unprovoked. If you remember back a few years ago, Israel gave Gaza back to prove that no matter what they do to appease the Palestinians, they're still going to attack Israel.
The world is not siding with the Palestinians so fast this time. They see that Israel is right for her defense.
You said 'Sadly, this is war and in war, civilians die—it sucks, it's the sad truth—'
funny you don't say that when an Israeli civilian is killed....
I'm afraid Palestenians bleed the same as Israelis, they love their children as much as everyone else. Thier civilian deaths are just as WRONG as the Israelis. It's amazing despite all the education about the crimes of WWII how history repeats itself, but I know, right, this is different.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5wrwZlwAq8&eurl=http://warincontext.org/
dsdsdsdsdsadaaa:
If you're that naive that you think I didn't mean both sides, I feel bad for you. thanks for the bait, it was yummy.
You don’t seem to have a very objective view to this complex matter as you are extracting very few facts and twisting them to your cause.
I agree that Hamas is not a very legitimate party and the lack of money and organization leads to amateurish war tactics, something that you and the propaganda laden Jewish North American controlled media refers to as terrorism. Make no mistake, the fact that Israel has more money (in large part funded by U.S. Jews) and can kill thousands of innocent people in a more organized way, doesn’t make it more honorable.
Again, a complex matter, I take no sides when it comes to the rout cause but I am so sick of the Jewish propaganda; the over usage of the word terrorist is laughable. I totally agree that Jewish people are entitled to a country, yet its difficult to justify driving Palestinians from their homes to go live within a wall. It seems that this conflict will never be resolved.
As for the NY politicians, they must support the Jewish cause as the campaign contributions from them is significant.
rdsizzle:
I usually take a pretty unbiased view of this whole thing and have never been a supporter of the occupied territories however, I'm not blind. The Palestinians have broken every agreement as far as I can remember. Also, pre 9/11 I was over there during the thick of it—the intifada. I spoke to both sides, orthodox jews (miltant jews), left wing Palestinians, arabs, seculars, palestinian militants etc, mainly they all want peace (except the militants).
As for the media— you assume because I read one article in the NY Post that I'm a propogandist for the Jewish media? (My friend, you're nuts!) I read other outlets such as reports from Foreign Affairs, the Brookings Inst and speak to my friends in the State dept etc... you will find a much better view of the world there than in any of the newsstand pubs.
The reality is, Hamas is the goverment they all chose, i'm not justifying the killing of Civilians, but Hamas is the one to blame, not Israel.
" (in large part funded by U.S. Jews) "
So does that mean Bernie Madoff may have a hand in bringing peace to the Middle East?
It's incredible to see some of the most priviliged and supposedly intellectual people coming out to support what even they admit is the death of hundreds of women and children.
we wonder how people let the slave trade or the holocaust
happen, and here it is happening right now. Shame on these people.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5wrwZlwAq8&eurl=http://warincontext.org/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDjthFt6EZg&feature=related
it's true, new york does love illinois
For all those who assert Israel's right to defend itself against rocket attacks, would you not equally defend the Palestinians' right to defend themselves.
Picture a population of refugees crammed into a ghetto cut-off from commerce and aid from the outside world. Sounds familiar to anyone who has actually studied the plight of Jews in Europe. Is that population supposed to sit idly by while their overseers unilaterally impose such conditions, restrict their movements, and decide whether or not they will have water to drink and electricity and gas to heat their homes?
We, as Jewish-Americans, are proud of the examples of resistance by European Jewry to oppression in Poland, Russia and Nazi-occupied countries. We must see the struggle of the refugee Palestinian population in Gaza through that same historical lens.
I see you're point, but the Jews of Europe during WWII weren't launching mortars at the Germans.
Maybe they should have?
It's not very often I find myself agreeing ith Chuck Schumer.
Hamas are a bunch of psychopathic murderers. Unfortunately, the only language they understand is violence. The naive fools who think you can negotiate or "reach out" to these monsters are delusional.
I too enjoy naive fools who think military force is gonna solve Israel's problem and not further radicalize the population of Gaza.
Yes, let's all just hold hands and sing We are the World and Kumbaya. Sorry but your hippy-dippy philosophy doesn't work in the real world.
Yes, purely military action is the solution to all of Israel's problems and will totally eliminate the threat of terrorists.
PS: http://i41.tinypic.com/fm866h.jpg
the semitic god is eye for an eye, violence begets violence.
i agree with ides, the only way is to eradicate the middle east with nuclear weapons and then kill all jews and muslims.
The Israelis sure learned a lot from Hitler.
"Peace will come when the Arabs love their children more than they hate us"
What does that mean?
it means that if you love your children you'll try to make sure they live into adulthood instead of making them into human bombs to kill the people you hate.
no, but the children being killed arent being made into 'human bombs' - They are being bombed in homes and on the streets in a refugee camp.
How can you rally in support of this?
You can come up with all the justification you like for killing arab children. 'they're being used as shields' 'hamas fired rockets at us' 'they hate us'
whatever. It is what it is.
it means we (israel) are going keep killing thier (arab) children until they stop hating us.
The palestinians have broken every agreement they ever made with Israel. Every time the Israelis gave them what they wanted, like clockwork the palestinians reciprocated with an escalation in violence. They simply are not bargaining in good faith. Cease-fire to them is just time to re-arm and fit a few more bomb vests on some poor palestinian kid with downs syndrome.
If I told you a pro-israeli group, spent 50 million dollars distributing a dvd to millions Americans homes trying to convince them about a connection btwn Islam and Nazism....
would you think that
A the pro-israeli group really wants to educate Americans
about islam
or
B the pro-israeli group benifits if Americans sees arabs as equivalent to nazis
Cause thats exactly whats happened...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clarion_Fund
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obsession_(documentary)
These politicians are really selling out both america and Israel by blindly supporting the massively overblown IDF military operation. What possibly good can come from killing hundreds of civilians? How does this operation lead to good will and peace?
George Washington him self said this:
"The Nation, which indulges towards another an habitual hatred, or an habitual fondness, is in some degree a slave. It is a slave to its animosity or to its affection, either of which is sufficient to lead it astray from its duty and its interest."
This is all very sad.
Paterson is correct about the Hamas charter. How do yo negotiate with someone whose stated objective is to annhilate you completely? The palestinians do not want peace with the israelis, they want genocide. They say so themselves.
The Soviet Union's leaders, said "We will bury you" and "We'll sell you the rope to hang yourselves:, yet the US negotiated with the Soviet Union.
One of the central failures in the debate, imo, is that some people construe the election of Hamas to mean that the whole of the Palestinian people support the destruction of Israel.
With anti-Israel protesters screaming things like "we need a big oven for the Jews," I don't find it surprising their group is smaller than the pro-Israel group.
UN: IDF officers admitted there was no gunfire from Gaza school which was shelled
it's reported in the Israeli newspaper Haaretz but you don't find much even handed info in the US MSM. And you don't find even-handedness in or political figures, and that is disastrous for the USA.
[citation needed]
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1054009.html
New York politicians are cowards.
Not taking sides, but let's be fair when we name call.
Israel was founded on terrorism. The Ergun was a terrorist organization. Ben-Gurion was on death row for terrorist crimes, the least of which was killing innocent Jewish civilians. (Google "king david hotel")
Ariel Sharon in the late 40s massacred whole villages of Palestinian innocents.
In the 67 War, IDF purosefully sank the USS Liberty, although it was flying the US flag, and killed 50 American sailors, the biggest loss of US lives prior to the Marines Barrack bombing in '83.
Palestians are second-class citizens living for 60 years in conditions that make the Warsaw Ghetto a luxury resort.
So, drop the non-think word "terrorism" and call both sides what they are: soldiers.
Apparently "thefacts" doesn't know a fact from his ass!
Terrorism in the ME began in the 1920's and was directed by ARABS against the JEWS, specifically 1920, 1921, 1929 (read about the Hebron massacre against native Jews, it was the first ethnic cleansing in Israel in the 20th century, the second was in 1948 when Jews were forced out of Jerusalem while Jordan illegally occupied it and desecrated Jewish holy sites for 19 years)
Ben Gurion was NEVER on death row!
Ariel Sharon DID NOT massacre whole villages in the 1940's, and if he did please name them!
The USS Liberty NEVER sank. It was hit while in an area that it was not supposed to be, Israel offered medical support after accidentally striking it. Why would a country strike it's only ally on purpose? Nobody has ever been able to answer this hypothetical. The USS Liberty was the largest loss of life during a friendly fire incident until the Gulf War of 1991. Many investigations have shown it was entirely accidental and after the 1967 war, Israel began receiving military aid from the US.
Beg pardon. It was Begin, not Ben-Gurion, who was on death row. Either way, The Jews elected a murdering terrorist as a PM.
That's right. Keep avoiding the King David.
Don't hand me that b.s. on the Liberty. Do you mean to tell me the great Mossad doesn't recognize a US ship flying an American flag? Please explain your revisionism to the families of the 50 dead US sailors.
The Mossad must pay you well. Now get back to work trying to free Pollard. He is innocent, right?
“There is no humanitarian crisis in the [Gaza] Strip.”
- Israeli Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni, 1 January 2009.
I'm going to side with Israel on this one cause even though they are committing mass genocide with their unjustified killings of civilians they have much hotter chicks. Why can't we get those hot israeli chicks in NY? we get the shitty homely jews here. Palestinian women aren't that attractive although saudi women are off the chain. I think it's cause those billionaire saudi's just import all the women.
Would you Bomb a School?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/01/07/AR2009010702645_pf.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnV33mYIJOM&feature=channel_page
Also, the New York Post is propaganda spew by Murdoch,
http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-entertainment-news-monopoly-murdoch-jew-part4.html
Hey Paterson, how about supporting AMERICA?
When did "attack" become an ambiguation of "protect"?
The is photo at the beginning of this article, a woman is holding a home-made sign that paraphrases a Golda Meir quote. What Golda said was "Peace will come when the Arabs love their children more than they hate the Jews".
Israel fans better do something to suppress YouTube. Very bad PR there. The media are not just reachable talking heads any more.
No, it means, Israel or any nation being attacked, will defend itself...
Palestians are second-class citizens living for 60 years in conditions that make the Warsaw Ghetto a luxury resort.
You're intelligence is laughable.
Whether Gaza = Warsaw Ghetto is subjective. We may disagree on that interpretation, but there is no need to start with gratuitous personal attacks.
However, I did notice you avoided the history of Jewish terrorism that created Israel.
Exactly how many INNOCENT JEWS and Brits (not even mentioning Arab innocents) did the Ergun and other Zionist terrorists kill to oust the Arabs from Palestine?
What about the Jews living in Arab countries? They were there for centuries and were chased out with just about the clothes on their backs. There were more Jews that were expelled from Arab lands than Arabs that fled Israel. Israel accepted those Jews with no preconceptions. The Palestinian Arabs were kept as pawns by their brethren in refugee camps and used as propaganda fodder.
True.
However, to call one side "terrorist", while ignoring that Jewish terrorism played a major role in the creation of the state, beclouds the issue. The Irgun begat the Likkud Party which has had a hand in Israeli governing for over thirty years. The chief Jewish terrorist leader, Menachem Begin, was elected as Prime Minister of Israel. Yet when the Palestinians elect a "terrorist" as leader, they are defamed.
"Terrorism" is a knee-jerk word that obscures the issue and is basically jejune name calling.
One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. Menachem Begin would agree with me, I think.
Terrorism didn't create ISrael. Hard work, blood, sweat, tears and money created Israel. It was a land with swamps that were subsequently drained and rid of malaria carrying mosquitos so that people could live there. It was a land without a power plant until Jews came along. It was a land without Universities until the Jews built them.
The reason it thrived and prevails today is because Israelis and Jews did it on their own. They didn't receive and military aid from the US until 1967.
I look at the situation in Iraq today and know that they will only prevail when they decide to stop fighting each other and build their nation up from the way it was under Saddam.
If I stole land, I would make improvements on it too.
Refer to the Law of Adverse Possession before your next rant commences.
How else can they force Israel to end its 18-month blockade?
BTW four of the 10 Israeli soldier deaths were friendly fire. Did you know that? Probably not because Israel has controlled all news access.
Day-by-day, the parallel between Palestinians and Native Americans becomes more pronounced. I wonder if the incoming Likud Prime Minister has big Casino ideas...
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/jan/13/gaza-israel-egypt-sinai
New York Post and New York Daily News are manipulators, Americans must be critical thinkers and we must fight for America again. Paterson, Bloomberg are parasites that don't give a damn about NYC and its residents.
All Hamas has to do is stop shooting rockets.
If what they really want is water and electricity for their people why do they shoot rockets at Israel?
Someone please make a case for me that Hamas shooting rockets at Israel is the logical thing to do in order to provide food and water for their people.
Its BS. Why was the school struck? Because most likely Hamas was trying to use their own civilians as a shield for their BS ideology and weapons. The people of Palestine are the true sufferers, both at the hands of Israel and Hamas.
http://www.economist.com/printedition/displayStory.cfm?story_id=12853965&source=most_commented
Israel's war in Gaza
Gaza: the rights and wrongs
Dec 30th 2008
From The Economist print edition
Palestinian terrorists are GUILTY of the attempted murders of thousands of Israelis, as well as guilty of the murders of many Israelis, and foreign visitors to Israel over the past few months and years.
The Economist article is a JOKE! The author didn't even have the balls to SIGN IT! Who wrote it? It's anonymous for a reason. There are so many things wrong with that opinion article, that I don't know where to start.
"On proportionality, the numbers speak for themselves—up to a point. After the first three days, some 350 Palestinians had been killed and only four Israelis. "
Considering the Palestinian terrorist groups have fired 8,000+ rockets and mortars, committed hundreds of shooting attacks, stabbings and other violent crimes over the past few years, that makes them guilty of the attempted of THOUSANDS of people.
Just let them kill each other. Who gives a shit anymore?