Your unwanted furs may also help people in need. Because of the vast number of furs that we receive, we donate many of them to homeless people who can't afford to buy their own coats—the only people who have any excuse to wear fur. Every year, PETA holds a few "fur kitchens" at homeless shelters around the country, and we've even shipped hundreds of furs to help warm the women and children freezing in Afghanistan and Iraq.

PETA does a lot for animals and for our society and even helps cloth and feed the poor. @thefacts should call himself @theshitforbrains.

@thefact is probably a carriage driver who can't defend the cruelty of the NYC carriage horse industry and instead attack those who expose the truth.

Till the very end, the PETAphiles cannot admit one contribution to the human race in 2008

http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/Police_Confrontation_Caught_On_Tape_New_York.html?corder=&pg=1#comments

The Carriage industry with Christine Quinn are harassing Pedicabs to remove the competition

ad hominem attacks don't address the actual problem of animal cruelty

the facts is just remarkably intellectually lazy and dishonest

keep constructing strawmen, though, it just makes you look like a tremendous ass

@thefacts, you need to seek mental help since you really are obsessed. Your hatred for people who are humane is sick. Who are you for me to divulge my income or my volunteer work? how is this relevant to the cruelty of the NYC carriage horses. Seek some mental help for yous and ours' sakes

Vicious, vicious comments, one after the other, just because a human being asks a simple question from a PETAphile who does nothing for humans except post silly videos on the internet. You probably don't do much for animals either, if I were to ask you.

Just curious. How much of your annual income do you give to charities, or do you spend all your discretionary income buying food to feed the pigeons?

@thefact, as your proven, you are not HUMANe, now crawl back under your rock

here is another video of the carriage industry endangering our safety and the horse's safety in traffic

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UonUAgBfbnc

As everyone suspected: YOU have done nothing to help a human being all year.

http://getactive.peta.org/campaign/p2_new_years_vp?c=peta2_enews

PETA is donating money to a program that plants fruit trees in a Asian village where people go hungry every day.

@thefacts, I feel sorry for anyone who knows you. You are an idiot and heartless. People like you hurts this society for the rest of us.

Don't act dumb. You know where I am going with this.

For the fourth time:

Please list which organization you - are any PETAphile reading this - volunteered with this year that helped a human being and for how many hours! Not an animal, a human being! Name one.

Your bluff is called.

I grew up on a horse farm in the midwest, lived there for 24 years. I know these horses aren't cared for very well & have abhorrent working conditions.

But this isn't something to make a big deal about. Horses have better traction in the ice & snow than cars. They're very hearty animals who would be living & surviving outside if it wasn't for humans.

What I actually found most surprising was that some of the carriage operators actually put blankets on the horses while waiting for fares.

So if you're going to make a stink over these horses, you should point out the conditions of their feet, the impact of working on pavement all day to their legs, and the overall poor health of the animals. Pointing out everything you view as a slight only makes you sound whiny to the general public & works against your cause.

One more time:

HOPE FOR NEW YORK

http://hfny.org/

And...

God's Love We Deliver

BTW, I just gave away a new bed! To someone who needed it!

In fact, I gave most everything that I own away to live in a postage stamp-size apartment! You should see the $$$$$ of goods that I distributed happily! Do I seek a tax writeoff? No. Happy to do so, regularly! I dwell in the world of peace and compassion, sharing, and helping--not in the land of wide-screen TVs and fast cars. I don't need much in the way of material possessions. I make monetary donations to different organizations. But that's not the point.

My goal is to treat the earth and ALL ITS INHABITANTS with respect. Unless we humans evolve just a little bit, we are all in big trouble. Our attempts to marginalize other people, exploit animals for the sake of power, and destroy the earth are all so very destructive.

Back to the topic: The horses were working illegally on Friday, Dec. 19. No one--including the ASPCA--is enforcing the laws around this industry. In fact, they all seem to be looking the other way.

How is it possible that a carriage driver can strike someone about the head with a whip, as seen in the much-watched video, and not face any consequences?

Now the ASPCA puts out a news release that fails to mention that the horses were working illegally on December 19, and instead trying to shift responsibility to the other agencies that have even less interest (even though they share enforcement authority)?

What kind of hellish place is New York City, anyway? Drivers gone wild, ripping off tourists right and left, whipping pedestrians, treating the poor horses so badly? The former carriage horses that rescuers have saved from slaughter were wormy and grotesquely underweight, and bearing permanent marks from ill-fitting tack.

There are plenty of us compassionate campaigners out there! You need to let go of your obsession with PETA and examine your own thoughts and motivations. Enough with PETA--this story is not about PETA. It is about the horses.

And Geemis, why not take a walk?

@77thefacts,

"...Here are some simple truths: There is no glamour in sanctuary work. There is no money in grassroots animal advocacy. There are no health care benefits and long paid vacations in vegan outreach. There is no corporate ladder to climb here.

And animal rights advocates have (and are) sisters, brothers, children, grandchildren, parents, grandparents, friends, coworkers, partners, and spouses. We have responsibilities, struggles, jobs, bills, dreams, plans, hobbies, and interests. We have joys, sorrows, frustrations, and lives just like you.

There are thousands of things on which we could spend our time and our money--traveling, fixing up the house, taking in every art show or museum exhibit, visiting family, catching up on movies, writing that novel we've always wanted to write or learning that instrument or taking that class or getting that degree. But many animal rights advocates don't do a lot, if any, of those things; many of them--like advocates working to eliminate injustices in other areas--eat, sleep, and breathe the work they do, sacrificing much for it.

So the next time you're geared up to tell animal rights advocates to get a life, to ridicule their activism and way of living, or to dismiss what they're trying to say to you, stop. The next time you're ready to presume that you know more about animal issues just because you're in the majority, and the people who devote everything they can to learning about and speaking for the animals just must be crazy, stop. Stop and ponder whether you really know what you're talking about. Consider that many, if not most, of us were once where you are in terms of how we lived day to day and how we saw animals--that we were as certain as you about the way things should and could be--and that we must have realized something extraordinary to get to where we are now...."

Don't act dumb. You know where I am going with this.

For the fourth time:

Please list which organization you - are any PETAphile reading this - volunteered with this year that helped a human being and for how many hours! Not an animal, a human being! Name one.

Your bluff is called.

Try to stick to the "facts" and the topic at hand--the inhumane conditions in which the horses live and work.

But to expose your childlike argument: Who ignores freezing children? What kind of perverted logic is that?

Compassionate people volunteer their time and money to help fellow beings in need. Is your own heart so small that you cannot comprehend this?

The NY Cares Coat Drive is down 10% this year, NY1News reported this morning.

Worry about a dead horse, and ignore freezing children.

We still await an answer to describe a single PETAphile's volunteer activity to help a single human being in 2008!

@just saying, thanks, the industry doesn't want people to know the truth. they employ lobbyist and PR people to drown out the truth of the cruelty of this industry. then they even have people like @thefacts to harass people and sidetrack the issue.

The issue is that horses live short horrible lives in NYC and in those jail cell stalls in those commercial buildings 2 miles away from the park. A 8 year old horse Clancy was found dead in the Clinton Stable this year. Shame on them all

Peace for all.

^71,

Keep presuming - erroneously - if you wish, but spend less time worrying how others spend their time, and believe me when I tell you that I spend several hours a week volunteering for the less fortunate. OK?

Meanwhile, you seem to be another PETAphile who admits not spending an hour volunteering for a human being in an entire year.

C'mon guys, keep those mean-spirited, misanthropic comments coming, and keep proving my point. It's not too late to volunteer feeding the poor for Christmas dinner at the Bowery Mission. Or would you prefer to feed the pigeons in Central Park?

Gorgeous, healthy, sound-as-a-dollar horses working in a moderate snowfall.

What an outrage! LOL

Seriously, folks, the loons are out en force this season, all awash in their little tempest in a teapot - or in a feedbucket, as it were LOL

The humaniacs swoon at the sight of a horse working, regardless of the weather - add a few snowflakes and you would think there was a ritual slaughter going on in front of the Plaza ROFL

There is NO cruelty or neglect in our industry of our horses. None, zero, zilch.

The "animal rights" ghouls slobber over the handful of accidents we have had over the years - and secretly wish for more, to bolster their ridiculous argument.

I think this is a great video - even if D. Moss only filmed it in hopes of eking out a few more minutes of fame and possibly getting a few more cocktail party invites to deep pocket donors on the UES, it shows our fabulous horses doing what they were born and bred to do.

"Giddy up, jingle horse, pick up your feet!"

"Dashing through the snow, in a one-horse open sleigh..."

ROFL! Merry Christmas to all of you, even you poor misguided nuts who parrot the PETA talking points, project your own misery onto unsuspecting horses, vilify people you don't know, and cry into your pillows at night over animals who have better lives than some children in this city.

Hopefully someday you'll grow up.

For anyone interested in the truth about our business:

http://thewhiffletreenyc.blogspot.com/