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The Humane Society writes in to alert us of the latest act of cruelty against NYC's carriage horses. "While airplanes were grounded on last Friday, Dec 19th during the snowstorm, the city’s horse carriages continued operation. Forcing animals to work in such oppressive weather conditions is cruel and this is just the tip of the abuse associated with the carriage horse industry." The footage was posted by filmmaker Donny Moss, who directed Blinders.
They added that "Over a year has passed since City Comptroller William Thompson documented in an independent audit the inhumane conditions the horses live and work under, yet the abuse continues. The Humane Society of the United States and our more than 217,000 members and supporters in New York City urge the City Council to shut this industry down." Last month PETA launched a new campaign against the industry as well.
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aren't animals from the great outdoors? or is this salt on the road related?
the only abuse is to cars having to go around these, and to stanking up the whole park region & streets with horse shit fumes.
I'm taking it in the other direction: horsehater.blogspot.com
So, does Peta plan on taking care of all these animals they are trying to rescue/protect. Ughh, can we start a campaign against Peta to STFU!
I think the horses are just happy they have jobs in this economy.
It seems to me that we have several thousand years of history with horses. I'd imagine that even the worst situation today in Central Park amounts to equine heaven when compared to past treatment.
I'd be more concerned about working animals in below 20 degree weather, but even so I can't quite bring myself to abuse moderation and context to put the treatment of a carriage horse at a higher level of importance than the treatment of, for instance, a homeless man. It doesn't make it unimportant, but in a world of multiple problems occupying our time and efforts you have to prioritize. Using apocalyptic language indiscriminately for every pet cause is the best way to get people not to take you seriously.
PETA doesn't seemed too concerned about the workers (i.e., human beings, people) who work in the snow.
Do you think these PETA people will volunteer at a homeless shelter for humans? Not likely. They sublimate compassion they don't have for humans and transfer it to animals.
What's next? Ban Santa's reindeer on Christmas Eve because its snowing?
My heart breaks every time I see these horses- snow or no snow. They are emaciated shells of what healthy horses look like. I'm no animal rights freak, but these poor things are enslaved to haul the fat asses of tourists year in and year out, which is pitiful.
The tourists should see New York the way the rest of us see it--by walking. Wanna check out Central Park? Hells Kitchen? Take a hike.
@thefacts really hates animals, I feel sorry for anyone who knows this person. what are you doing to help anyone??? Instead of criticizing those that are doing good, why don't yo do something?
look at the type of people that work in the carriage industry:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbZR4FZZQRM&feature=related
look at how they lie about the price as well as the abuse
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSun_1Ly6ro
Look at them in traffic:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_LhgJUDiPE&feature=channel_page
It is wrong what they do to theses horses in nyc and the horrible conditions that they are kept in.
This blog has a lot of accidents that occurred with horses in traffic
http://horsewatchnyc.blogspot.com/
You crunchy hippies. Next you'll be telling us that we can't use horses for glue or delicious delicious dog food.
Question: Do you want to know why this cruelty continues in NYC?
Answer: Political corruption. (which is destroying this city)
Council member Michael McMahon who is now in Congress, is the brother of the carriage industry, Thomas McMahon. Also their lobbyist' wife Linda Gibbs is the deputy mayor and guess what?? She also head the dept that supposed to inspect this industry but doesn't. Comptroller William Thompson audit report show the neglect and lack of oversight of this industry.
Also Shamrock Stables rents a building from the Dept of Ed. their stables is next door to a school and the kids have to expose to all the smell and manure.
City corruption!!!! and Quinn is behind it as well since she is aligned with the Queens Democratic Machine.
I agree with #8.
Also, why can't the horses just trot around inside the park?
http://www.banhdc.org/
I hope the ghost of Christmas Past visits all you heartless people. Karma is a good thing. The horses are victims as we are of all the political corruption and greed in NYC
I love how people who probably don't do squat for the homeless complain about PETA not doing squat for the homeless.
The fact is, those horses live in horrible conditions and groups like Equine Advocates are working hard to get them retirement homes upstate instead of being sent to slaughter the way that's happening now. *Anyone* who helps anything else in life--animal or human--deserves to be commended, not derided.
Get off your holier than thou merry-go-round and actually try to help something else out for a change.
reasons why a ban is needed in NYC
http://www.banhdc.org/ch-why.shtml
http://www.blindersthemovie.com/
Forcing horses to pull oversized loads isn't romantic—it's cruel. Horses are forced to toil in all weather extremes, dodge traffic, and pound the pavement all day long. These gentle animals suffer from respiratory ailments because they breathe in exhaust fumes, and they develop debilitating leg problems from walking on hard surfaces. In some cases, horses have even dropped dead from heatstroke after working in scorching summer heat and humidity.
Accidents Waiting to Happen
Horses are extremely sensitive to loud noises and unexpected sounds—and busy city streets have plenty of both. Horses and people have been seriously hurt—with some injuries resulting in fatalities—when horses have become spooked and run amok.
There have also been countless incidents in which carriages have been hit by impatient or careless drivers. Accidents have occurred in nearly every city where carriage rides are allowed.
steenie is right; just because someone is wanting to help animals does not mean that they don't care about people. Different people support different causes. You don't go up to people on an AIDS walk and say "But what are you doing about lung cancer!?"
We have seen lovely Norman Rockwell scenes of horse-drawn carriages in the falling snow. But they were not on the streets of the busiest city in the country, with honking cabs and sirens and tons of people and hard asphalt to walk on.
orses are afforded no federal protection under the Animal Welfare Act, so the responsibility of looking out for horses' welfare falls to local animal control officials. However, anti-cruelty laws provide few safeguards to horses. In addition, many humane authorities just don't have the resources or the time to monitor horse-drawn carriages in order to ensure that horses are not being overworked or that operators are following regulations.
When horses grow too old, tired, or ill to continue pulling heavy loads, they aren't retired to green pastures and loving homes, as many people are led to believe. It's cost-prohibitive to maintain permanent sanctuary for the countless numbers of horses who break down in this industry. Instead, many worn-out horses are likely slaughtered and turned into dog food or feed for carnivores in zoos or shipped overseas for human consumption.
Felix, how many horses die worldwide every year solely as a result of these horse-drawn carriages?
(ie: how many are struck by traffic while giving a ride, how many are shot dead in the street while giving a ride, how many are attacked by ninjas while giving passengers a ride, etc)
Here is the audit report that writes about the neglect and lack of oversight of NYC carriage horses
http://www.comptroller.nyc.gov/bureaus/audit/PDF_FILES/MH07_092A.pdf
@valeriob, I have the stats for NYC but not worldwide. I can speak certainly that NYC carriage horses live short and miserable lives in NYC. Go to the banhdc website and you will see all the "reported" accidents in NYC. many accidents go unreported in NYC
QUICK!!! (zomg!) someone call the authorities...
Zebras in the Savannah are being eaten ONE AFTER ANOTHER by angry chauvinist lions who WEAR FUR!
@vableriob? I don't undestand? ninjas??? Go to the banhdc website and you will see a list of reported accidents in NYC. they are many accidents that go unreported in NYC
Oh, and they're racist lions too.
As Valeriob demonstrated, ignorance and incompassion goes hand in hand
Yes, Ninjas are a serious threat.
http://www.martialdevelopment.com/blog/ninja-parade-slips-through-town-unnoticed/
I heard a horse slipped on the ice and fell into a split. There is no excuse for such abuse. Heartless people like valeriob must really be so miserable to pick on defenseless horses. the cruelty in NYC need to end. those horses are treated as cars but they feel pain. It breaks my heart to see such cruelty in the city.
Do the bike rickshaw guys work in the snow?
http://www.ecorazzi.com/2008/11/19/kristen-johnson-helps-peta-expose-nycs-brutal-horse-drawn-carriage-industry/
peta may suck but this time they are right.
felixthecat linked to some good websites but there is always some stupid person who says "what about the homeless" while they do nothing for either group.
#31 pedicab drivers work when they want to. . But they chose when to work and when to take a break and where to work. When they feel tired or sick they go home. The horses don't have such a luxury and horses don't have jobs. they don't get paid and they have no voice. they are overworked and disposed after short years of suffering and misery
Horses don't have jobs because they can't quit. What they do to these horses in NYC is cruel and we should all be ashamed.
http://centralparkblogger.com/?p=87
Felix,
I appreciate your passion for this cause, and your providing of important links regarding your beliefs.
Roxanne, Who is disposing of them? Where and when does this occur? How many have been disposed of? What proof of this do you have? Where have all the cowboys gone? Do you know the muffin man? Where did Jack and Jill really go?
Please advise.
@valeriob, There is no mandatory retirement home for these horses as they have for police horses. Police horses have a retirement home and they live longer and are in better conditions. Many animals groups try to rescue the horses but they rely on public donations. Most of the drivers/owners don't retire them. Since these horses are too abused and too lame to work then where do you think they go?? Slaughter houses in Mexico.
Roxanne,
That video asks "how many more fatalities before something is done" but relates absolutely no information regarding any 'fatalities'.
Did the camera man die when he was righteously whipped for illegally video taping someone without consent?
(http://communications-media.lawyers.com/privacy-law/Photography-or-Video-Taping-Consent.html)
@felixthecat, thanks for all the information posted on the truth of this industry.
Where in Mexico are these slaughter houses?
Who brings them there?
How many have been brought there?
How do they get to Mexico?
Why don't you have answers?
n the fall of 2007, a 12-year-old mare named Smoothie panicked when she heard loud drumming in New York City’s Central Park and galloped onto a sidewalk. As she darted between two poles, the carriage she was harnessed to became lodged. She struggled in vain to keep running, and she eventually collapsed and died. Another horse startled by the same noise bolted into the street and collided with a car.(1)
A year earlier, a horse named Juliet—who had been forced to pull carriages for 17 years in New York City—collapsed in Central Park one night and was beaten by the driver with a whip in an attempt to force her to her feet. An angry crowd stopped him, but police allowed the beating to continue after the driver claimed that a veterinarian recommended it. Juliet died later that night.(2)
Bride's dream ends in terror as animal bolts and leaves her in the road
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1094656/Horse-carnage--brides-dream-ends-terror-animal-bolts-leaves-road.html
@valeriob, I have answers, but you have no heart and you can't hear.
Here is a list of some of the fatalities and accidents:
http://blog.peta.org/archives/HDC%20Factsheet.pdf
Can someone please explain to me why NYC horses are a bigger deal than racing horses?
Do you have any idea how many horses are hurt attempting ridiculous hurdles they can't clear?
Do you have any idea how many Jockeys are thrown off those horses, only to end up breaking the fall of the very horse they were riding?
Just because they are 'treated better' in their stables, doesn't make it better, does it?
Stupid examples written by PETA drones that you childishly (and incorrectly) copy+pasted are not working.
Show me a report not fabricated by PETA.
I do have a heart, madam. I don't have the heart for bloviating.
Valeriob "Did the camera man die when he was righteously whipped for illegally video taping someone without consent?
(http://communications-media.lawyers.com/privacy-law/Photography-or-Video-Taping-Consent.html)"
respond to Valeriob: the days of whipping is over. Slavery was once a tradition but no longer since it was immoral and unethical. Tradition is a lame excuse for abuse. Also consent to videotape is only needed if the footage is "sold".
It doesn't surprise me that the carriage driver whipped the filmmaker since those that are cruel to animals are cruel to people. there is no degrees of compassion. You can't switch off you compassion when dealing with other races, species, gender etc.
@valeriob, all those accidents were reported in the Newspapers.
http://blog.peta.org/archives/HDC%20Factsheet.pdf
ASPCA support the ban on NYC carriage horses
https://secure2.convio.net/aspca/site/Advocacy?pagename=homepage&id=2247
Valerijob, "activists" don't take them to the slaughterhouse! You know precisely how they get to slaughter. Carriage horse industry is all about PROFIT, PURE AND SIMPLE. Carriage horses have an average working life in NYC of 4 years! That little loophole in the city code (humane disposal) is easy to get around, isn't it?
Lilly O'Reilly, (former NYC carriage horse rescued from slaughter), may you rest in peace.
Let us hope that the salt on the roads doesn't corrode any more wires and lead to another electrocution, which is the way that poor Jackie died on the street in 1999!
And while we are reflecting, let us remember poor Spotty, who died at age 5 as a result of the gruesome accident in January 2006, after he spooked on a busy avenue and crashed into a vehicle. Motorists were critically injured.
Those metal shoes? They are ice skates.
The argument is absurd--horses don't belong on the busy streets of New York City, particularly during a storm that brought snow, sleet, ice, and rain.
The horses were out ILLEGALLY on December 19.
Where was law enforcement, humane or otherwise?
(In memory of Smoothie, spooked and died in 2007, just outside of Central Park.)
Everyone who is upset by what they saw in that video needs to take a minute and research what exactly about this industry upsets them and then write an informed letter to their council member and to Mayor Bloomberg.
You can email Bloomberg here: http://www.nyc.gov/portal/site/nycgov/menuitem.bd08ee7c7c1ffec87c4b36d501c789a0/index.jsp?doc_name=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nyc.gov%2Fhtml%2Fmail%2Fhtml%2Fmayor.html
You can find your council member here:
http://council.nyc.gov/html/members/members.shtml
I hope you all take a minute to do something to help.
Since no one cares to answer my questions, I will assume this 'horse problem' has been resolved.
Lets get back to work. The economy depends on you!
Honestly, the recent YouTube videos showing the vile, obscenity-spewing driver ("Driver Gone Wild" and the one about the drivers blatantly overcharging tourists should be required viewing for everyone.
For starters, these should be seen by the public, the tourists, the mayor, Linda Gibbs (who, sadly, is in a position with regulatory authority), her carriage industry lobbyist husband (Thomas McMahon), Ed Sayres and Stacy Wolf of the ASPCA, the City Council, and on and on.
Inhumane treatment of animals somehow conveniently manages to get overlooked by the politicians and the public.
But consumer fraud (overstatement of fares)? Leaving consumers unable to make an informed decision? Abusive drivers gone completely mad, in full view of tourists? Threats? Whips? Failure to obey existing laws, simply because those who would regulate the industry are not doing it?
THIS IS TOURISM? GIVE ME A BREAK, PLEASE!!!!
WHERE ARE THE HORSES SUPPOSED TO GET ANY WATER???? SOMEONE PLEASE ANSWER THIS QUESTION?
As far as horses sent to Mexican slaughter houses:
http://www.avma.org/onlnews/javma/jan08/080115a.asp
Yes, there are tens of thousands of horses who are shipped to Mexico every year as all of the horse slaughter facilities in the US were closed down due to changes in federal regulations about 2 or 3 years ago.
Europe and Japan import a lot of horse meat for human consumption. The US used to be a major exporter but with the ban its now handled by Mexico and Canada.
valeriob, you don't deserve to be responded to but i like that you agree that nyc carriage horses are treated poorly & it should be stopped.
you don't remember? it was in this post where you compared them to race horses.
by comparing them you admited they are ALSO treated poorly.
you may now stfu
Good thing the crunchie hippies weren't around or listened to when we were using horses to help advance technology and society to where we are today. NONE of what you see around you would have been possible without the use of horses. It is sad when that use turns to abuse, but then we never know the difference now because of all of the people who like to cry WOLF! at the slightest hint of using a pack animal as a pack animal.
HowBoutDemCowboys,
You may not have noticed that we are approaching the year 2009. Horses don't belong in New York City traffic, a findings that is agreed upon by the ASPCA, HSUS, Friends of Animals, and countless animal protection organizations.
This discussion is not about Paul Revere, the Pony Express, the building of the Brooklyn Bridge, the work of the US Postal Service, the service of horses during wars, and the like. Such a comparison is irrelevant, the same way that clinging to a harmful "tradition--such as slavery--is wrong thinking.
Horses built America and they don't deserve such cruelty in NYC
Crunchie hippies me arse. I'm not a crunchy hippie but we are living in 2008 almost 09 now and its time for NYC to move with the times. There is nothing romantic about animals who have no voice having to work in cold and snow and wet and heat. Most humans have a choice - at least the ones who work in NYC do. Animals and these horses have no voice. We are not living in a 3rd world country. Horses are not needed in 2009 to move cargo from one place to another. This is a phoney notion of what is 'romantic' - and it's false. Anyone and more than 20,000 signatures prove, that these horses do not belong on NYC streets. Happy Holidays!
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/16/nyregion/16horse.html?_r=1
Doesn't surprise me that the carriage driver whipped the filmmaker when they whip poor Juliet who died on the streets. when will this cruelty end in NYC?
Roxanne just joined gothamist today. She is insane, I have encountered her in the past on youtube. She is very sick and vicious, just like a man who names himself after a f*cking cartoon cat
Some people say she and Felix are into bestiality.
I bet they don't make it with people
(btw, Felix, I volunteer with Habitat for Humanity, in response to your question. What organization that takes care of humans have you volunteered for and donated hours and hours of your life?)
"the facts":
Not true, of course, but why should anyone be surprised to see you try to tarnish the reputation of anyone who has a different viewpoint than your own.
I am delighted to see that you do volunteer work. It seems to make you very proud, which is probably the point.
It is absolutely unclear why you persist in trying to drawn some line of demarcation between helping animals and helping people. Compassionate people generally do both, as I am sure you know.
It's a non sequitur. If you play in an amateur softball league for 5 hours a week, does that somehow mean that you hate people?
If anyone wants a good, broad-based volunteer opportunity to help people in NYC, I suggest Hope for New York.
http://hfny.org/volunteer/by-affiliate/
#63, I do not need suggestions or snide comments from you where to volunteer to help humans. Habitat for Humanity gets my free time, and if you had read my comment you would have known. My service does not make me 'proud', as you foolishly suggest. Pride is one of the deadly sins. Funny it comes to your mind right away. Do you suffer from it?
I ask you again! Where do you volunteer for humans and how many hours have you put there this year?
Otherwise, get off our your high horse.
Geemiss, be careful not to sit on a nail. LOL and BAHAHAHA. I'd sure like to see that poor old house you built.
@thefact, then you must be one of the carriage drivers who harass people from exposing the truth about the cruelty of NYC carriage drivers. Also, my girlfriend calls me Felixthecat and I think it is quite endearing so STFU. Also I am against horse cruelty and bestiality is cruelty. This bit had to do with NYC carriage horses and not habitat for humanity. You are sidetracking the issue to avoid the truth about the CRUELTY of NYC carriage horse.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=caSBg-OFW-A&feature=related
This is one of NYC finest carriage driver
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbZR4FZZQRM
Here is another carriage driver calling someone a faggot
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wGbTb1tOLKc&feature=related
It's unbelievable that those horses were working given the bad weather last Friday. I was just a few blocks away and taxis were sliding all over the icy streets.
Where did they get those sleezy drivers? Mistreating horses and overcharging stupid tourists. Those ignorant turds are hardly ambassadors of goodwill for NYC.
Just compare those poor carriage horses to the well cared for police horses in Times Square. The difference is painfully obvious and appalling.
Yo, FelixTheCat: you tell me to STFU? You're a real tough little pussy of the anonymous internet. You exhibit the typical disdain for humans shown by PETAphiles. Tell me, tuff guy, when was the last time you told someone to their face to STFU? Bet you never did once in your pathetic little existence. Change your name to FelixThePussy!
And, no, you presumptuous little twit, I am not a carriage driver. No relation! I just know a several PETA people, and they are among the most misanthropic beings I have ever encountered. Why? Sublimation of compassion from their species to another. Sik fux!
So, as I suspected, not one PETA person on this blog has spent one hour this year volunteering to help a single unfortunate human being.
Why am I not surprised?
I personally would like to thank felixthecat for the video links and for the information he provided regarding those unfortunate horses.
@thefacts-I don't know what your obsession is with PETA, but that's your perogative. However, judging by the high number of comments you've posted in the last 30 days on Gothamist, I can't help thinking that you may likely devote more of your time to writing comments as opposed to volunteering.
Gorgeous, healthy, sound-as-a-dollar horses working in a moderate snowfall.
What an outrage! LOL
Seriously, folks, the loons are out en force this season, all awash in their little tempest in a teapot - or in a feedbucket, as it were LOL
The humaniacs swoon at the sight of a horse working, regardless of the weather - add a few snowflakes and you would think there was a ritual slaughter going on in front of the Plaza ROFL
There is NO cruelty or neglect in our industry of our horses. None, zero, zilch.
The "animal rights" ghouls slobber over the handful of accidents we have had over the years - and secretly wish for more, to bolster their ridiculous argument.
I think this is a great video - even if D. Moss only filmed it in hopes of eking out a few more minutes of fame and possibly getting a few more cocktail party invites to deep pocket donors on the UES, it shows our fabulous horses doing what they were born and bred to do.
"Giddy up, jingle horse, pick up your feet!"
"Dashing through the snow, in a one-horse open sleigh..."
ROFL! Merry Christmas to all of you, even you poor misguided nuts who parrot the PETA talking points, project your own misery onto unsuspecting horses, vilify people you don't know, and cry into your pillows at night over animals who have better lives than some children in this city.
Hopefully someday you'll grow up.
For anyone interested in the truth about our business:
http://thewhiffletreenyc.blogspot.com/
^71,
Keep presuming - erroneously - if you wish, but spend less time worrying how others spend their time, and believe me when I tell you that I spend several hours a week volunteering for the less fortunate. OK?
Meanwhile, you seem to be another PETAphile who admits not spending an hour volunteering for a human being in an entire year.
C'mon guys, keep those mean-spirited, misanthropic comments coming, and keep proving my point. It's not too late to volunteer feeding the poor for Christmas dinner at the Bowery Mission. Or would you prefer to feed the pigeons in Central Park?
@just saying, thanks, the industry doesn't want people to know the truth. they employ lobbyist and PR people to drown out the truth of the cruelty of this industry. then they even have people like @thefacts to harass people and sidetrack the issue.
The issue is that horses live short horrible lives in NYC and in those jail cell stalls in those commercial buildings 2 miles away from the park. A 8 year old horse Clancy was found dead in the Clinton Stable this year. Shame on them all
Peace for all.
The NY Cares Coat Drive is down 10% this year, NY1News reported this morning.
Worry about a dead horse, and ignore freezing children.
We still await an answer to describe a single PETAphile's volunteer activity to help a single human being in 2008!
Try to stick to the "facts" and the topic at hand--the inhumane conditions in which the horses live and work.
But to expose your childlike argument: Who ignores freezing children? What kind of perverted logic is that?
Compassionate people volunteer their time and money to help fellow beings in need. Is your own heart so small that you cannot comprehend this?
Don't act dumb. You know where I am going with this.
For the fourth time:
Please list which organization you - are any PETAphile reading this - volunteered with this year that helped a human being and for how many hours! Not an animal, a human being! Name one.
Your bluff is called.
@77thefacts,
"...Here are some simple truths: There is no glamour in sanctuary work. There is no money in grassroots animal advocacy. There are no health care benefits and long paid vacations in vegan outreach. There is no corporate ladder to climb here.
And animal rights advocates have (and are) sisters, brothers, children, grandchildren, parents, grandparents, friends, coworkers, partners, and spouses. We have responsibilities, struggles, jobs, bills, dreams, plans, hobbies, and interests. We have joys, sorrows, frustrations, and lives just like you.
There are thousands of things on which we could spend our time and our money--traveling, fixing up the house, taking in every art show or museum exhibit, visiting family, catching up on movies, writing that novel we've always wanted to write or learning that instrument or taking that class or getting that degree. But many animal rights advocates don't do a lot, if any, of those things; many of them--like advocates working to eliminate injustices in other areas--eat, sleep, and breathe the work they do, sacrificing much for it.
So the next time you're geared up to tell animal rights advocates to get a life, to ridicule their activism and way of living, or to dismiss what they're trying to say to you, stop. The next time you're ready to presume that you know more about animal issues just because you're in the majority, and the people who devote everything they can to learning about and speaking for the animals just must be crazy, stop. Stop and ponder whether you really know what you're talking about. Consider that many, if not most, of us were once where you are in terms of how we lived day to day and how we saw animals--that we were as certain as you about the way things should and could be--and that we must have realized something extraordinary to get to where we are now...."
One more time:
HOPE FOR NEW YORK
http://hfny.org/
And...
God's Love We Deliver
BTW, I just gave away a new bed! To someone who needed it!
In fact, I gave most everything that I own away to live in a postage stamp-size apartment! You should see the $$$$$ of goods that I distributed happily! Do I seek a tax writeoff? No. Happy to do so, regularly! I dwell in the world of peace and compassion, sharing, and helping--not in the land of wide-screen TVs and fast cars. I don't need much in the way of material possessions. I make monetary donations to different organizations. But that's not the point.
My goal is to treat the earth and ALL ITS INHABITANTS with respect. Unless we humans evolve just a little bit, we are all in big trouble. Our attempts to marginalize other people, exploit animals for the sake of power, and destroy the earth are all so very destructive.
Back to the topic: The horses were working illegally on Friday, Dec. 19. No one--including the ASPCA--is enforcing the laws around this industry. In fact, they all seem to be looking the other way.
How is it possible that a carriage driver can strike someone about the head with a whip, as seen in the much-watched video, and not face any consequences?
Now the ASPCA puts out a news release that fails to mention that the horses were working illegally on December 19, and instead trying to shift responsibility to the other agencies that have even less interest (even though they share enforcement authority)?
What kind of hellish place is New York City, anyway? Drivers gone wild, ripping off tourists right and left, whipping pedestrians, treating the poor horses so badly? The former carriage horses that rescuers have saved from slaughter were wormy and grotesquely underweight, and bearing permanent marks from ill-fitting tack.
There are plenty of us compassionate campaigners out there! You need to let go of your obsession with PETA and examine your own thoughts and motivations. Enough with PETA--this story is not about PETA. It is about the horses.
And Geemis, why not take a walk?
I grew up on a horse farm in the midwest, lived there for 24 years. I know these horses aren't cared for very well & have abhorrent working conditions.
But this isn't something to make a big deal about. Horses have better traction in the ice & snow than cars. They're very hearty animals who would be living & surviving outside if it wasn't for humans.
What I actually found most surprising was that some of the carriage operators actually put blankets on the horses while waiting for fares.
So if you're going to make a stink over these horses, you should point out the conditions of their feet, the impact of working on pavement all day to their legs, and the overall poor health of the animals. Pointing out everything you view as a slight only makes you sound whiny to the general public & works against your cause.
Don't act dumb. You know where I am going with this.
For the fourth time:
Please list which organization you - are any PETAphile reading this - volunteered with this year that helped a human being and for how many hours! Not an animal, a human being! Name one.
Your bluff is called.
http://getactive.peta.org/campaign/p2_new_years_vp?c=peta2_enews
PETA is donating money to a program that plants fruit trees in a Asian village where people go hungry every day.
@thefacts, I feel sorry for anyone who knows you. You are an idiot and heartless. People like you hurts this society for the rest of us.
As everyone suspected: YOU have done nothing to help a human being all year.
@thefact, as your proven, you are not HUMANe, now crawl back under your rock
here is another video of the carriage industry endangering our safety and the horse's safety in traffic
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UonUAgBfbnc
Vicious, vicious comments, one after the other, just because a human being asks a simple question from a PETAphile who does nothing for humans except post silly videos on the internet. You probably don't do much for animals either, if I were to ask you.
Just curious. How much of your annual income do you give to charities, or do you spend all your discretionary income buying food to feed the pigeons?
@thefacts, you need to seek mental help since you really are obsessed. Your hatred for people who are humane is sick. Who are you for me to divulge my income or my volunteer work? how is this relevant to the cruelty of the NYC carriage horses. Seek some mental help for yous and ours' sakes
ad hominem attacks don't address the actual problem of animal cruelty
the facts is just remarkably intellectually lazy and dishonest
keep constructing strawmen, though, it just makes you look like a tremendous ass
http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/Police_Confrontation_Caught_On_Tape_New_York.html?corder=&pg=1#comments
The Carriage industry with Christine Quinn are harassing Pedicabs to remove the competition
Till the very end, the PETAphiles cannot admit one contribution to the human race in 2008
@thefact is probably a carriage driver who can't defend the cruelty of the NYC carriage horse industry and instead attack those who expose the truth.
Your unwanted furs may also help people in need. Because of the vast number of furs that we receive, we donate many of them to homeless people who can't afford to buy their own coats—the only people who have any excuse to wear fur. Every year, PETA holds a few "fur kitchens" at homeless shelters around the country, and we've even shipped hundreds of furs to help warm the women and children freezing in Afghanistan and Iraq.
PETA does a lot for animals and for our society and even helps cloth and feed the poor. @thefacts should call himself @theshitforbrains.