It is truly amazing how everyone judges firefighters by the actions of a few. Not only do you not have the full story but you assume you know who is in the wrong. Let me assure you that not all firefighters are bad. Many train countless hours to help save the lives of people they do not know. It's not for the glory because there just isn't the glory you think there is. More people complain than ever say thank you. Not all firefighter's are paid but should be. FDNY I am sure take things personally, they did lose alot of great guys, friends, family and I'm sure some they wish they had another day to say I'm sorry to. Bottom line everyone is human. Every organization has their @ssholes no one is excluded. But do not become so focused on the actions of a few that you have to make statements degrading a whole nation of heroes. Sure you can buy the T-shirt but you should have some respect when wearing it. Did 911 happen for no reason. On that day the nation was united everyone was kinder and everyone helped each other but now 8 years later look what we as a nation are back to. Just doesn't make sence to me. Just try to remember that you do not know the whole story and even if you did would you judge fairly? Do you even need to judge at all? Everyone involved knows the story and it's something they have to live with but do not judge all firefighter's by what you read.

What will the brawlers and instigators from the FDNY do when they find out that the father of the young man with the T-shirt is a 25+ year veteran of the department. That's why he was wearing the shirt. How about all of the other "civilians" who wear FDNY logos to show their support for the group - are you going to beat them up too? Those members of the "bravest" were looking for trouble in a barroom - plain and simple. They couldn't hold their liquor.

#23 you got cut up by #32...I love it

Anyways - this is just 2 drunk firefighters probably on roids after a slow work week.

I dont think that these 2 loosers echoe the sentiments of other firefighters.

My father in law was a firefighter and he's the most honorable person I know...

The academy is ridiculously hard.

These guys are also embarassing.

Everyone here is so quick to criticize these guys, but you've got no problem with them when it's your kid or your mom that they're dragging out of a burning building. These guys work a high stress job and after a rough day they can get pretty wound up at work. Are you saying you've never had a stressful day at work and taken it out on someone else? Now multiply the stress that you feel by 50 and you're still not halfway there.

I'm not saying that it was right for him to physically lash out on someone, but the fact is, at the end of a bad day, even the slightest things can set you off, and if you believe that the only issue on the table was the t-shirt you're kidding yourself - there are definitely two sides to this story

You're making it sound easy Nanny. It's a fifty foot length of hose plus wearing the bunker gear which is heavy and the SCBA gear. Anyone can do that in the heat and the smoke of a burning building. Then when you get there you have to go to work as the ceiling and super heated water is falling down on you and you are crawling along.

Excuse me. I need a beer just talking about it.

@#23, The Academy can't be all that hard: these guys only have to run up five flights of stairs with 2 1/2 inches of hose.

You can get a Department of Sanitation t shirt at Steve and Barry's going out of business sale. Brawls for all supporters of civil servants I say!

firefighters are that because there first care, being such compassionate souls of humanity- is saving lives. I call bullshyt. They join for the prestige most of them anyway to align themselves with the macho profession and the perks not to mention because dad did it. We will risk our lives to save others but dont ask them to be compassionate in any other area of life because it doesnt come with enough praise and bravado for them.

Finally! Now I can break-out & war my new "F*CK THE FDNY!" shirt. Available for $9.99 wherever fine clothing is not sold.

Remind me never to wear my turnout coat to McFadden's.

I met the liaison between the Office of Emergency Management and the FDNY recently, and as he described encountering, shall we say, a less-than-polite firefighter, "Look, there's always a chance that you'll speak to a knucklehead fireman."

*and another two firefighters were given summons for disorderly conduct after they went to the stationhouse and harassed cops about the arrests.*

What a couple of bums. God knows these clowns were dropping FDNY names and threats to get their buddies out of the clink. They should all be suspended.

You can also buy the "T" shirts at the New York City Fire Museum located on Spring Street between Varick and Hudson.

Two reasons really Rocknrope: Because of the deeper significance the shirt had taken on. Same way I don't want to wear camoflauge when the country's at war -- it symbolized something I wasn't part of and I didn't want anyone to think I was trying to glom onto it.

Of course, that didn't stop a million other people from immediately going out on 9/12/01 and buying FDNY shirts but that's how I felt. Which is the other reason why I never went back to wearing it -- every other dork on the street was wearing the same thing.

But it's true that if the department itself sells the shirts to the public then firefighters have no right to complain.

I know quite a few firefighters and like any other group you have your happy drunks and totally out of control drunks. In this case why were a bunch of Queens firefighters hanging out at a Manhattan bar? Were they coming from another "get together"? Probably so. I have a FDNY regulation work shirt and I have never had a problem with the rank and file. I doubt the wearing of the shirt is what started the "discussion."

Now cops are a different story, they tend to be jerks from the get go when they go to a bar.

Just a reminder, St. Patrick's day is March 17th.

Perhaps these guys feel as if they've earned their badges through blood sweat and tears, and it seems like a bit of a dig to see civilians wearing their letters as fashion accessories.

Just to point out - no matter how inexcusable something is, someone will defend it.

I wear my FDNY shirt to show my proud support of Ground Zero's tasteless bootleg merch vendors.

i was a firefighter in Virginia before i moved to nyc, so would they want to fight me if i wore a FDNY shirt? Funny enough I was given a Rescue 4 t-shirt when i was leaving my unit to move to queens (since I was moving into a building by the station, but no i have never worn the shirt) Did the two firefighters act out of line, yes. Do i think the kid from staten island disrespected them, probably. Was he trying to get some women wearing the fdny shirt, i tend to say probably only because this kids from SI and he's drinking at 42nd street irish bar, probably trying to impress some tourist or something stupid. But again, this goes back to what someone said earlier, since when was a fight in an irish bar newsworthy? and at the guy who was talking about bravery and courage and so they can do what they want, thats complete shit, because then you start excusing the police for shooting unarmed people, war veterans for coming back and beating their wives or anything else. They're normal people just like anyone else, they just have a different job to do. If you're looking for special treatment because you are or were a firefighter then you've missed the point totally.

Yeah,23, I remember when those bastards the Mets and Yankees had FDNY & NYPD logos on there caps. They didnt earn it!! They were totally "diggin" on

the FDNY & NYPD. right on!

//sarcasm