Gothamist: Broad Daylight Brooklyn Shooting

chimella

Thu, 04 Dec 2008 19:15:32 -0500

the 80 was the home for the bomb squard..........did they have one of those in your ravaged neighborhood in raleigh? oh......a dichotomy is two exactly different ways of going about the same thing.......180 degrees out.

The Edge

Thu, 04 Dec 2008 14:05:12 -0500

Enter key much?

chimella

Thu, 04 Dec 2008 03:14:46 -0500

hey.....i was born there .....classon ave.,park pl.,lincoln place, sterling place,st.john's, underhill, eastern p'kway....italian, irish, and a few purto's,with the hall scent. the mullies moved up from bed sty, past fulton street, on up classon ave. to eastern pk'way........it was car ariels, then poppin' people on the head cummin' up from the train stations, ta' guns up your ass.................yeah.......let's make this another new york hipster place...... for the fair, honest sought, with good will in there hearts, and full of self gratifing ideas.........i'm afraid it don't work there..........it reminds me of a greek myth.............. as the cave goes, the string "isn't" long enough, and the minotour(sp?) eats the hipsters for lunch........been back 2yrs. ago..........too many people hangin' out on stoops........too many people in the neighborhood loaded with anger.........pops in the paper are not the same as pops in your head. ' long enough, and the minotour eats you for lunch..........remember, that's after a long boat ride across the sea........me ....ain't no fair there......too many pop pops and decided ta' move.......it 'll eat you up.

chris lee

Wed, 03 Dec 2008 18:02:45 -0500

Well I beg to differ, yes it's common but not universal, it's certainly not NECESSARY or logical for that matter. It's endemic of NYC culture, certain people start to feel "entitled" to certain neighborhoods. No one is. You are all straw dogs for the landlords. They'd just as soon ripoff and bleed young whites for these overpriced rat traps as they would deal with delinquent, violence prone renters from the lower classes.

kcin122

Wed, 03 Dec 2008 09:51:05 -0500

chris, it happens everywhere. when someone lives in an area for their entire life they become hostile to outsiders. ive seen it all over the united states in different shapes and forms but its essentially the same deal. Most of my relatives are guilty of it.

chris lee

Wed, 03 Dec 2008 06:59:02 -0500

"interlopers", "newbies"..last time I checked ALL of America is a free country. This missplaced hostility toward people who DO WHAT PEOPLE IN A FREE SOCIETY DO, which is move around from place to place to experience new things..this sick hostility masks a resignation to the lack of civility and social ignorance of the inner city poor to whom you falsely look as the "soul" and "flava" of the city.

STVO

Wed, 03 Dec 2008 04:28:56 -0500

this is an isolated incident.. i've lived in the neighborhood for most of my life and crime is not even close to being where it used to be. i despise the gentrification but i hate the violence

Bigpicture

Tue, 02 Dec 2008 23:10:38 -0500

Couple of things: 1) How much dumber, pathetic, and for lack of a better word immature can the criminal element get in my neighborhood? I thought these idiots idolized mob movies, and scar face and all that? Did they take anything away from these films in regards to planning, execution, and consequences? Don't crap where you eat, guys. "Give me your crappy snacks and 100 bucks."-Really? Thats the best you can do? 2) Fraud is much easier to commit and has a higher profit. So go to school kids, get an education, and really steal some dough. 3) I live around here, no one likes gun shots. I'm pretty annoyed. Everyone's pretty chill and this violence was probably some sort of personal thing, I'm guessing....I feel like the dudes selling are solidified have somewhat of a monopoly in the area, and don't see how they'd want any trouble upsetting the balance. 4) Just sayin, but what do i know. Where I'm from we just stampede over the dude.

Billiamsburg

Tue, 02 Dec 2008 20:56:22 -0500

ROFL @ #12 POST OF THE WEEK!

NannyState

Tue, 02 Dec 2008 20:36:53 -0500

^ To add to your point, I never heard of a thug who asked his victim where he was from, except for the ones in L.I.

virgil

Tue, 02 Dec 2008 19:02:55 -0500

I think you guys need to take a stroll through the crime reports. You'll find that most victims of serious crime are locals; shop owners, old folks, teens, rivals, etc. Newbies get a lot of smack-talk directed toward them, and the odd smack-down, but you're kidding yourself if you think that locals are somehow immune to crime. Criminals prey on whoever they can. Period. Tough folks in the neighborhood will grow to respect the respectful and self respecting, but they too are preyed on by the sociopathic few who make it shitty for the sociable many.

Future Taliban

Tue, 02 Dec 2008 18:42:02 -0500

That's nothing. I was walking down the street one day and saw GW Bush invade Iraq on false pretenses, then torture & murder scores of innocent Iraqi men, woman & children. All this in plain few of 57 million people.

thefacts

Tue, 02 Dec 2008 17:45:19 -0500

Thanks for the info, Arches. When I was there, it was tough white people. Now it's tough black people. Like the man says above, just be cool.

arches

Tue, 02 Dec 2008 17:22:53 -0500

Umm...the "8-0" hasn't existed since the 1970's. You might want to swing by Prospect Heights...things have changed a bit in the last 30+ years. The old 80th precinct building on Washington is no longer a precinct (Prospect Heights falls under the 77th now). It's some sort of administrative building (although I think there's some SVU activity in there too).

JacqueMehoff

Tue, 02 Dec 2008 16:58:13 -0500

the locals can sense the interlopers, if you're native, they'll know. this is the same in any neighborhood in NYC, whether it's Bensonhurst or Park slope or the Village and Hell's kitchen. just be cool, be a good neighbor, watch out for each other, offer some booze or weed and you'll be fine. sure you'll have your hard core but I guarantee you'll make friends. so, don't be afraid of the dark. or, white, or whatever. it's just that these kansas folks are still stuck in their ways. I happen to think they come from michigan.

whitecastlerock

Tue, 02 Dec 2008 16:58:10 -0500

A shooting in a densely populated city brings out all of the hateful know it all trolls

dogbraincatscan

Tue, 02 Dec 2008 16:43:06 -0500

honkey*

dogbraincatscan

Tue, 02 Dec 2008 16:41:43 -0500

not every white person in these neighborhoods is "from Kansas," #10. a lot of us actually grew up in brooklyn and queens and our parents can't afford to let us mooch off of them forever. yeah, i go where the rent is cheap so i can actually have something to eat at least once a day. the myth of the ignorant mid-america honey yokel needs to be taken down a peg or two.

Nyctini11

Tue, 02 Dec 2008 16:26:49 -0500

As the economy worsens i fear, unfortunately, this is only going to become "normal" news. People are getting more desperate by the day. :-( Maybe that's why they wanna raise the MTA fares, so all the bad people will stay at home and keep all the rich yuppies of manhattan safe & sound!

virgil

Tue, 02 Dec 2008 16:19:02 -0500

The question isn't whether they want to be displaced from their homes by rising rents. That's a false dichotomy(if that's the right term). I share your disgust at the phenomenon of overpriced rents and displaced tenants, but you should direct your anger at the landlords and developers who drive up the prices as high as the market wiill bear. Give us some examples of someone you know who enjoys being shot, beaten, or mugged because it keeps newbies out.

kcin122

Tue, 02 Dec 2008 16:15:08 -0500

i moved from raleigh, NC and had to deal with more random crime and shootings there than I have while living in Prospect Heights. the only difference is that walking everywhere makes me more likely to be mugged than driving around in my car. However when I moved from raleigh a few years ago some kids were driving around and robbing people at stoplights.

thefacts

Tue, 02 Dec 2008 15:56:18 -0500

Virgil, to answer your question with some authority: From what I am told, yes, the residents would rather have the occasional shooting than to be displaced from their homes where they lived for decades by naive newbies who pay the landlords exorbitant rent to live in a ghetto. Hearing an occasional shot or even being robbed every few years is a lot better than being homeless, wouldn't you say? Or wouldn't you know?

thefacts

Tue, 02 Dec 2008 15:47:50 -0500

Hi Wza @11, I noted at #10 that there is a precinct down the block, the 8 - 0 Or, as they would say in Kansas and to make it easier for the new immigrants: the 80th precinct.

virgil

Tue, 02 Dec 2008 15:42:06 -0500

Whenever a violent crime occurs, there's always some idiot who says this is the real new york and anyone who doesn't like it should go back to Ohio. Do you honestly think that the decent, law-abiding folks who have lived in those neighborhoods their entire lives enjoy this shit?

Wza

Tue, 02 Dec 2008 15:39:41 -0500

New Yorkers? Jaded? Nawwww....

skbk

Tue, 02 Dec 2008 15:30:15 -0500

you're so cool #10.

spnder

Tue, 02 Dec 2008 15:29:47 -0500

I was just reading this thing in the paper about how they're making a broad appeal to repatriate Kansas and Ohio because apparently the entire population has moved to Bushwick, Prospect Heights and Bed Stuy over the past 10 years. They're really in a tough spot. I'm glad all you "old-schoolers" are so jaded as to not give a crap about violence in your neighborhoods. Great citizens you are.

Wza

Tue, 02 Dec 2008 15:21:41 -0500

If I'm not mistaken, there's also a precinct right down the block from that location?

thefacts

Tue, 02 Dec 2008 15:14:11 -0500

This is not news. This is Washington Avenue. This has been going on for decades at the 8 - 0. I love when all the white boys move to these edgy neighborhoods and are surprised when there are gun shots. It ain't Kansas. Personally, if it keeps these annoying hipsters and yuppies in Kansas, let's buy the natives more bullets. I don't know what is more undesirable: a gangsta or yet another fashion assistant.

kcin122

Tue, 02 Dec 2008 15:12:14 -0500

im going to take note of all this shit and speak with my landlord about it when my lease is up.

Wza

Tue, 02 Dec 2008 15:11:50 -0500

This is news? Must be new to the area.

bagelman

Tue, 02 Dec 2008 15:09:01 -0500

take that, hasidic jew protesters!

r1b2

Tue, 02 Dec 2008 14:44:30 -0500

There was a double-shooting a week back in my neighborhood, on Baltic at Butler, just one block from tony Smith Street. Yes, it was also across the street from the PJs, but the point is that neighborhood, and crowded streets, isn't enough to stop some asshat from pulling the trigger. Plaxico Burress had a gun, why shouldn't everyone else? Until it's more difficult to get a gun, guns will continue to be used.

JacqueMehoff

Tue, 02 Dec 2008 14:42:41 -0500

you mean a bicycle lane was involved, too?

Huffy6241

Tue, 02 Dec 2008 14:33:29 -0500

In your face gas guzzling SUVs!!!!

JacqueMehoff

Tue, 02 Dec 2008 14:29:00 -0500

oh lordie, white man save us. you've done so much good in the World.

blkiznewprez

Tue, 02 Dec 2008 14:15:57 -0500

GOD, these WHITE people shooting up brooklyn!!! i'm sorry for being such a racist, but white people just have no class and are fucking animals, shooting up a bodega in broad daylight. savage hoodlums. that's what we have in the projects, people. white hoodlum animals who just have no respect for the rest of the world. oh well.

longacre

Tue, 02 Dec 2008 14:14:32 -0500

One positive aspect of our impending return to "Dinkins Time": Now our daily civil unrest is blogged and twittered in real time!