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Officials at Stuyvesant High School told parents that they want to install metal detectors, but not because of concern that students are bringing weapons to school. The prestigious public high school simply wants to catch students who are breaking the Department of Education's ban on cellphones and are using them to text each other test answers. Principal Stanley Teitel said that the scanners would hopefully be installed during finals week in January. In the past, students at high schools that have metal detectors installed to combat them from bringing weapons in have griped about having their cell phones taken away, while students magnet schools like Stuyvesant can sneak them in unchallenged.
Stuyvesant to Install Metal Detectors--Nerd Alerts Likely
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Good idea. Just because they're nerds doesn't give them the right to live outside the rules.
All public school students must be treated equally under the law. Tough luck.
This is completely unfair. Most of the students commute to and from school and to not be able to bring your cell phones to school when you have long train commutes is just dangerous. Not that Stuy should get any special treatment, the ban is completely unfair for all schools.
Uh, no. It isn't an issue of being treated "fairly", its an issue of meeting the needs of a specific school. Stuyvesant is not a violent school, it has NO violent crime. Installing any form of metal detectors is just insane for a school that doesn't have ANY safety issues.
Jesus Christ, I hope the ACLU sues the SHIT out of the school.
As long as they're not looking for guns....
good lord are public schools still this behind the times? They really need to adapt and realize all kids own cellphones and it's impractical to just ban them. this worked in my day when only four people had them, but time to grow up school system. Just say they cant use during the school day, punish those that do, and install some cell jamming antennas if you really need to. that's cheaper than a metal detector and paying someone to monitor it.
If you ever went to stuy you'd realize that even though most of all the kids are smart they need to cheat to even compete. Without cheating they are still smarter than us but not by much.
"...to not be able to bring your cell phones to school when you have long train commutes is just dangerous"
Yes because Cell phones have been around for like, ever. No child has EVER taken a train to school without their trusty cell phone. We were truly in the stone age before cell phones started to become popular.
Please
I agree a full ban on cell phones is not practical. But schools should make sure they are off during class. Jammers are one way of doing it. If a child's cell phone goes off during class, a teacher should have the authority to take it away and not give it back until the end of the semester, or not at all. Back when I went to school beepers were a major disruption, and now cell phones are far worse. Not to mention they are used for cheating.
As a student who attends a different "magnet" school, I can truly say that not only are cell phone bans impractical for long commute schools such as Stuy, but that it is SO INCREDIBLY HARD TO CHEAT ANSWERS THROUGH TEXTING DURING TESTS. Not only does your teacher have to be senile, or naive, but you and your buddy have to be such agile, secretive texters that no one else will notice, either. Believe me, going to a prestigious public school, I've cheated countless times on tests. However, I did it the good old way- I looked. Not texted. My school, with it's crummy student organization, had it set that we wouldn't come in to school the week they were supposed to install metal detectors-they didn't. Stuy, a school with one of the most organized and rebellious student bodies, won't stand a chance with keeping the detectors in. Hopefully.
West Point, Annapolis and the AF Acaademy have an honor policy, where the teachers leave the room.
Schools I went to never had much cheating.
Whassup with these guys at Stuy? Have they no honor?
Anyway, what's the need all of a sudden to have a cell phone when you commute. So, they can blab while walking down the street lost in their own little world?
Wow, somebody actually brags about cheating? Call me old-fashioned, but I got through school the traditional way, without cheating at all. And I still trounced most of the class most of the time. I feel bad for kids who grow up thinking cheating is completely normal.
stuy kids need to cheat cause of all the pot they smoke.
-Screw cellphones, I ferry a MacBook back & forth to high school. (Writing is saved for important things, copying notes by hand is annoying)
Face it mobile phones are a common necessity. & I agree sending SMSs is really hard especially when your teacher is wondering why your hands are in your pencil case for continuous periods of time during a test. The only people who would not see this is Mr. Stein of Brooklyn Tech 9th grade Algebra who is extremely naïve & senile.
& everybody. All SPECIALIZED HIGH SCHOOLs students need cheating (unless you're a genius- even if you're a genius). It's really fucking hard. Which is why I'm getting out.
^ #13 writes:
"" All SPECIALIZED HIGH SCHOOLs students need cheating (unless you're a genius- even if you're a genius). It's really fucking hard. Which is why I'm getting out.""
If #13 is any indication of America's future, we should all be concerned
All SPECIALIZED HIGH SCHOOLs students need cheating (unless you're a genius- even if you're a genius). It's really fucking hard. Which is why I'm getting out.
Wow, thanks! I'm a genius? My closest friends and I all did quite well in two of the big three schools. I never cheated off them nor they off me, and this was years before cell phones even existed. Don't use your inability to compete as an excuse. BTW, if you think 9th grade algebra is hard, just wait until you get to integral calculus in college. You ain't seen nothin' yet, kid.
bh, you're wrong bud. There are plenty of smart cookies there now, in the past (not limited to Spirit and myself), and there will be in the future. A bunch of kids with too much hubris and no motivation to do any work for themselves doesn't rep. the entire student body. That, and those who were OK at Stuy would probably have been at the top of the class at any of the normal schools. Don't write them off so easily. There were many of us that excelled there, and went off to good universities and institutions, and work at even better institutions too.
But...kids' manners have gone downhill though, every graduation year gets worse than the prior. I'm not surprised about this a: because kids are getting worse than we were b: it's Stanley Teitel. He should return to being a physics teacher; too many draconian rules started being instituted the year I graduated.
Students need cheating? Jesus. We're all going down.
This just confirms everything I thought about high school kids. I'm not even that far out of high school for Christ's sake, and no one from my class would have ever argued that cheating was necessary to succeed.
If cheating is necessary, we've either set the bar too high (God help us), or you don't belong in that program (much more likely).
@everyone
Just because the majority of the commenters here are past the age of high school, they've made it seem like a "need for cheating" is a new, dangerous thing. Since when was cheating new?
As far as I'm concerned, the whole WORLD is based on cheating, in every little nook and cranny, every industry, and every common practice. A brilliant writer might need to peek at his friend's math test to get by- If the college admissions process is going to go in the same direction it's heading, it should be no surprise people are cheating to get to the places they want to be. Let's face it- Kids are not taught anymore to do what they're good at. In fact, it seems like most kids these days are taught to be good at EVERYTHING, thus disabling them from focusing on the abilities they have that are quite excellent. I've cheated on math tests because I suck at math. Sorry, I had better things to do. I'm sure these kids do to.
You had better things to do than go to school and learn, probably your only real required job in life? Wow, we really are screwed. There's not a need for cheating. You are cheating because you are lazy and don't want to make the effort. That's not a need.
I suck/ed at math, but I worked hard, studied, did it and learned. I made it through with a lot of effort, and I actually use it as an adult (stats, which I now really like). Being bad at something does not mean you need to cheat. What kind of poor logic is that?
I agree with thefacts "If #13 is any indication of America's future, we should all be concerned." (And add in really poor logic as well.)
I had Teitel for physics and he is a good teacher with good intentions, but I think he's wasting a whole lot of effort and money for a few bad apples. There will always be cheaters, and they'll find another way to do it.
If a teacher can't catch a student cheating through texting on a mobile phone, then I would argue it's the teacher that needs to change.
I think money would be better spent on a) better facilities, equipment or salaries or b) other schools who have real problems.
When I went to Stuy, I had many friends who were mugged, jumped, etc. It is dangerous, especially for all the Stuy kids who have extracurricular activities that go on till late night. Not to mention, when I rode the train, I had to call my mother to pick me up from the train station.