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A new study put out by City Councilman Daniel Garodnick hopes to save east side trains in Manhattan from suffering the ax that is likely coming to various lines around the city. The survey of the Lexington Avenue lines at rush hour discovered "130 riders kept off of each downtown 6 train at 77th Street during morning rush, ...on two days, the number was over 400." The MTA says that with trains running every two minutes during rush hours, there isn't much more they can do. The only relief they offer up is the building of the 2nd Avenue line--scheduled to open in 2015. Garodnick also highlighted how many passengers get stranded on platforms during weekday home games at Yankee Stadium and called for more bus lines to the Bronx. The MTA thinks that burden should be alleviated by the opening of a Metro-North station near the stadium next spring.
Lexington Avenue Commuters Can't Even Board Trains
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Those Mariachi guys piss me off when you enter a mostly silent subway car.
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maybe all these animals should move back to the midwest where it's not so crowded. i'm only here because i have always been so it feels like home but i would never move here they are jut making it so crowded go away you animals back to your nest.
The 2nd Avenue Subway will take too long.
The east side needs a stop-gap that's low-cost, no frills, quick completion like Bus Rapid Transit (which could later be upgraded to Light Rail) until the subway is completed.
News of the Obvious. 130 stranded is on a good day. If there is even a minor snafu, the platforms are jam packed. Those stations/platforms are not big enough for the kind of traffic they get.
That 6 line is amazing.
And a 23% MTA fare hike, slowing night trains and eliminating the W, Z and J trains are supposed to help solve this problem?? Way to go, Patterson. Here's an idea, why dont you return that $21K Turkish rug you bought for the governor's mansion and fix the friggin subway traffic!?
But Patterson loves that rug. It's so soft.
#1 - i live on the UES and i have for the past 10 years, I am not from the midwest and you're ignorant. Regardless of what you think, the 456 also carry people from brooklyn and the bronx down into the UES and midtown to work. It also picks people up at GCS. Anyway, if I am at the train station at 9:30 in the morning - I shouldnt have to wait sometimes up to 4 trains to go by before I can squeeze my 130 lb frame onto a train.
I think you're just jealous, b/c in the end, if I had to, I could walk to work. No matter what, you still have to take a train. Let me guess, you live in greenpointwilliamsburg? snot.
Packt Like Sardines in a Crushd Tin Box
Yes, the $21K from returning the rug will go a long way toward building the 2nd Avenue subway.
What does it have to do with jealousy or where someone lives and why would living in Greenpoint be bad? Why would you call someone a snot while making fun of where they live? I live in Manhattan but it's kinda loud in my neighborhood and I might actually want to move somewhere quieter not in Manhattan.
And YOU'RE ignorant because nobody said YOU were from the midwest. If you were from here and a million extra people from the midwest were going on the train, they'd make it more crowded.
You fuckig serious animal.
Do you think people don't work anywhere besides Manhattan are you retarded?
What is with all this Midwest bashing (all the time)? Williamsburg typically has the Midwesterners as does the Lower East Side and the East Village—seriously—and you may think you're joking around —you sound like a damn fool. The Upper East Side is known for Westchester, Rockland, and Dutchess counties, as well as Long Island and New Jersey in addition to Born and bred New Yorkers.
This green line over crowding is nothing new for this train. It has always been a serious issue. There's never any room and if there is, many people don't move so you wind up pushing thru them... Many of my friends live on the upper east side for the cheaper apts... WEST SIDE, BABY! WEST SIDE!
HAHAHAHAHA. 2nd Avenue Subway. 2015! That's so funny! I wonder if I'll hear a better joke today. Oh MTA, you're good. Too good.
It's that time again folks!
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Lets blame each other and all move to the midwest!
edEx -- "green line"??? Where are you from? NYer's call it the Lexington Ave line, or the 4-5-6. I smell Ohio on your breath, young man!
"And a 23% MTA fare hike, slowing night trains and eliminating the W, Z and J trains are supposed to help solve this problem??"
nope, they're just trying to spread the pain so that the rest of the city truly understands the horror of the overcrowding situation.
Hire the 'pushers' from the Japanese trains.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axwMxUBL_ws
The gropers will love it.
"nope, they're just trying to spread the pain so that the rest of the city truly understands the horror of the overcrowding situation."
Yeah, I guess after they eliminate the W trains, we in Astoria will be able to let three or four trains go by in the morning instead of one or two.
"The MTA says that with trains running every two minutes during rush hours, there isn't much more they can do."
Except actually running trains every two minutes during rush hours. There's no fucking way the 6 is coming every two minutes on average.
So what do you want them to do? With the number of trains on the 6 tracks right now (well, not RIGHT NOW as I'm typing this but right now at the present day during rush hour), they physically can't add any more. There are just too many people on the Upper East Side for the number of trains there are up there.
You could also consider a bus, there are like a zillion of them running uptown/downtown on the east side (M1/2/3/4 down 5th Avenue, M101/102/103 down Lex, M15 down 2nd).
Or even... GASP... don't move to the Upper East Side.
Every 2 minutes? Yeah Right. Try every 10, and only during Rush hour, sometimes even slower because of crush of people blocking the closing doors.
The MTA 311 rep told me the J train arrives every 6 minutes on the weekdays and every 8 on nights and weekends. The reality is 10-15 weekdays and 30-45 nights and weekends. Do they think we don't have watches or that we just can't read them?
The problem with running trains at 2-minute intervals is that one person holding the doors will delay every single train. With the train tunnel saturated with traffic, we need BRT (bus rapid transit) on the street above. All it takes is a dedicated, physically separated lane for buses and some fare machines so passengers can pay BEFORE boarding. It's working in the Bronx right now, and unlike the 2nd Avenue subway, we can have it running in a matter of a few months. It's also very cheap.
Who the fuck calls it the green line? 4-5-6. Jesus.
@16: I say green line. I've never heard anyone say Lexington line.
The 2nd Ave Subway is the best way to deal with this, but that's a long way away (if ever).
The second best way is doing something to make buses faster, so there are other ways to get downtown, taking pressure off the train. More dedicated lanes for buses, or maybe that approach where people pay before getting on, so the loading on process is not so slow.
If buses were a viable alternative for more people, there would be less on the train.
"Green line" is an affectation among people who went to school around Boston....
Local people on the UES should take the local buses, leave the trains for those who have longer commutes.
@27 -- not necessarily. There is also a Green Line in Chicago -- it's one of the L lines that goes from the Loop out to the west side, and also down to Jackson Park. It's kind of a working-class line, if there is such a thing.
I moved here from there 10+ years ago, but every now and then I still slip up and call the subway the "L" or refer to the A,C,E as the "Blue Line." It's a hard habit to break.
I agree, i've been in NY for a good 12yrs, I often refer to the lines, as the blue or red line, many people, when asking for subway directions, if you just tell them take the blue line, they get it, it's like a quick reference term.
haha...green line? what's next, someone calling it the metro? oh wait..nevermind.
The problem here is with the passengers, not the MTA. Stop being a bitch and get on the damn train. If people would board the train, then move all the way into the middle, there would never be a problem.
#31 has got it right. No one ever moves into the middle as if there were something really preventing them. Of course you cant get on the train if you've got 20 rude people standing right next to the door. I have to deal with this nightmare every weekday. If I walked to work, it would only take 15 minutes longer than it takes with the 6, and I'm 6 stops away to boot.
When I walk to work, rather
#21 and #28: are you guys retarded? or are you only joking?
do you know UES; have you ever tried to take a bus on, let's say, 2nd ave??? IT SUCKS! BIGTIME!
The traffic is just bad, it drags even if you're on the "express" bus.
No! ANYONE have the right to take the subway, regardless of how far or close they live. What's ridiculous is the fact that the 2nd ave train has been postponed for years leaving all the east side with only one line, while the west side has three.
Just out of curiosity....can anyone explain how the MTA went from 2007 surplus to 2008 close-to-bankruptcy?? Fishy, right?
^ You got that right. "Deficit"? From what? Did Santa go on strike?