New Yorkers March Against Proposition 8

A common argument is that an inclination to homosexuality is inborn and immutable. It is widely believed that the public will become more accepting of homosexuality if they are convinced that it is inborn and immutable. For example, neuroscientist and homosexual Simon Levay stated: "...people who think that gays and lesbians are born that way are also more likely to support gay rights."[3]

Research into the issue of the origins of homosexuality suggests that adoptive brothers are more likely to both be homosexuals than the biological brothers, who share half their genes which suggests that homosexuality is not genetically caused. [4][5][6] This data prompted the journal Science to report "this . . . suggests that there is no genetic component, but rather an environmental component shared in families".[7][8][9] However, in regards to psychosocial and biological theories in regards to the origin of homosexuality, Columbia University psychiatry professors Drs. William Byrne and Bruce Parsons stated in 1994: "There is no evidence that at present to substantiate a biological theory. [T]he appeal of current biological explanations for sexual orientation may derive more from dissatisfaction with the present status of psychosocial explanations than from a substantiating body of experimental data".[10]

Dr. Tahir I. Jaz, M.D., Winnipeg, Canada states: "The increasing claims of being "born that way" parallels the rising political activism of homosexual organisations, who politicise the issue of homosexual origins . In the 1970s, approximately ten percent of homosexuals claimed to be "born homosexual" according to a large scale survey....However, in a survey in the 1980s, with the homosexual rights movement increasingly becoming active, thirty-five percent claimed to be born that way.[11]

Roman 1:26

For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature.

27-And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another, men with men, working that which is unseemly (not good or suitable but perverted), and receiving in themselves that compense of their error was meet.

28- And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient.

29- Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness, full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity, whisperers,

30 -Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents.

Being gay is a curable condition - a simple hormone disfunction. The sooner you gays realize that the happier you will be.

excellent points #158-Rhonda! : )

FtheC won't respond with anything but his usual non-sequiters and ignorant diatribe. i'm over him. i'd rather beat a dead horse! it's sad some people think that he does, but they do, and i can't do anything about it. they don't have the sense to put together a cogent argument, can't take in any facts except what they know already. all i hope is that i never find myself living next to someone like that in RL. peace to all my brothers and sisters that support my rights. we will strike prop 8 down, and we will have legal gay marriage in all 50 states. eventually. i have to believe.

Felix-

You seem to be stuck on "why are civil unions not acceptable..."

Answer me this: how would you feel about a law that revokes the citizenship of Americans who are not of White-European background and instead calls them "Ethnic Nationals". The "Ethnic National" would have all the same rights of a citizen. The term "Citizen" would be reserved for those of White-European backgrounds as those people formed the foundation of American society and laws. In fact, if you weren't white when this country was founded, you weren't even considered a whole person (for census purposes), let alone a citizen. White Europeans are the "traditional Americans" so long as you forget the people who were already here when they arrived.

Something tells me you'd be against it, and to that I ask, "Why? It has the same rights..."

Hopefully we'll have injections that will be able to turn everyone white as well. Then jterry will be able to live in a perfect world.

all religiion is a crock of shit.

if you dont like gay marriage don't get one and don't attend one.

end of story.

you ever hear about the one with the chicken and road and how he goes across it? haha that's a good one...

@ma bell-did that GED arrive yet?

Gay protesters are just losing supporters when they use racist slogans and slogans showing their religious intolerance.

In a few years they'll have hormone injections to turn gay people straight, and gay people wont even exist.

You know, here I was thinking truthspeaker23 was just a random troll, but man does he really lay it on thick with the religispeak!

Okay, be honest, since you're only commenting on Prop-8 stuff, who are you really?

@truthspeaker23:

Defined by whom? By your religion? And this is pertinent to our government how?

Or perhaps by the same people who once upon a time defined marriage as between "one man and one woman as long as they're the same race"?

Religious hysteria is a treatable psychosis and is in the DSM IV. No need to bother felixtheOpusDeicat any further.

Squirrels- Again, I must defer to your ignorance. marriage is defined as between One Man and One woman. It is also not inclusive of blood relatives, mental incompetant, and those under 18 wihtout parental consent, and illegal alien can not marry another illegal alien in California.

Maybe, you should read first, before you leap.

DOMA is the federal Prop 8 of the land and it says that one states recognition of gay marriage can not be accepted by the Federal Government.

squirrels-

I wonder how many starving people in this world could have been fed with the money spent trying to stop marriage from being defined as One man and One woman. Last count the No on 8 people spent over $30 million dollars and started back during the Olympics. My guess is that, the Yes on 8 campaign would not have had to campaign if it were not for the lies coming out of the mouths of pedohiles like NAMBLA and polygmamist groups. I wonder if satan would rather those people starve to death so that his evil could tell Christians to disobey what God ordained from the beginnig as a Sacred Writ and Holy Matrimony. It's so terribly sad.

I guess you think that men should marry children, men should marry multiple wives, sisters should marry brothers, mothers hould marry sons, and the Catholic homosexual pedophile priests should be tolerated.

Black men can't marry white women.

Men Cant marry Multiple Women

Women Cant marry Multiple men

Men Cant Marry Children

Men Cant marry Their Sister

Men Cant marry men

Why would any straight person give a shit about gays getting married? This debate shows how much religion mind controls people.

Civil unions are secondary to marriage by their very nature of being construed as different, that marriage is too good for gays to even have. QED.

#142, that is why I said make EQUAL Civil Unions and stop your hate towards people of faith who have a right to their values

@felixthecat:

I don't think you understand what "separate but equal" means. It doesn't just apply to facilities.

Civil unions are not equal to marriage. You know what's equal to marriage? Marriage.

@squirrels, exactly gay don't care about civil rights, just as you who wants separate toilets for black people. you just want to force me to accept gay marriage and for my kids to accept it as norm.

http://www.exploringprop8.blogspot.com/

Sure! lets bring jim crow back too! And separate toilets for black people!

I think the government does have an interest in preserving traditional marriage and preventing same-sex marriages. This lies in the fact that traditional marriage is the foundation of our society and the place where children are born, nurtured, and reared. A deterioation of the traditional family unit would have terrible effects on society (as it already has). Numerous studies have shown the negative repercussions of children being born out-of-wedlock, for example. What does this have to do with same-sex marriage?

A look at the Scandinavian countries may provide the answer. They have approved of same-sex marriages for the last 10-15 years and it has led to horrific results. During that same period, marraiges in general have seen steep declines. The percentage of children born out of wedlock has increased by 12-15% (depending on estimates). It is to the point that 60% of children are born outside the bonds of marriage. Sociologists have maintained that marriage has been eroding since the 1960s. Their findings conclude that same-sex marriages in the Scandinavian countries have further eroded this institution. It has led the people of these countries to further devalue marriage as an institution and to depart from the concept of committing to a partner and maintaining a familial bond that encompasses responsible child-rearing. If this is the case, then there is certainly a government interest to protect what remains of the institution of marriage within this country.

Jews, Catholics, Protestants and others all supported Proposition 8. Many of these congregations reportedly did so from the pulpit. Where are the protests against them? The gay community has merely targeted the LDS faith out of ease - you wouldn’t harrass a Rabbi or a Priest, but you jump at the opportunity to attack the Mormons. Every man and woman in this country has the right to define his or her own opinions of morality. They also have the right to donate their own money to a political cause. Read the First Amendment and explain to my why Mormons shouldn’t have been allowed to support Prop 8 with their own money.

Squirerls, read before your attack. see how it does affect people

http://www.massresistance.org/docs/marriage/effects_of_ssm.html

also why arent Equal civil unions ok? what is the agenda to redefine marriage

Felix - reasoning of your stature may be gay people's best best defense. I beg of you to please at least make intelligent arguments against gay marriage. If you think two people's personal marriage is forced upon you, then you either seriously need some attention, a marriage of your own, or some mental help.

and i don't get why equal civil unions can't be accepted? what is the agenda to redefine marriage? and please don't say separate but equal. since when did gays have to use any separate facilities.

#132 exactly why all the money send in court to overturn the majority who voted Yes on Prop 8. why can't gay leave us alone instead of forcing their agenda unto us. all the taxpayers money spent fighting this in court when equal domestic partnership already exist in california

#127 since when did a gay person have to sit in the back of the bus?

I wonder how many starving people in this world could have been fed with the money spent trying to stop gay people from forming loving bonds. I wonder if god would rather those people starve to death so that his church could tell two gay people their love isn't equal. It's so terribly sad.

Wow - Do you think God really wants people to spend their time and energy stopping two people who care about each other from making a loving commitment? THE ANSWER IS YES, SQUIRREL.

The homeless people are better off than, the gay people who are caught up in their confusion and sin unto death. God says that homosexuality is an abomination, but that is not the issue. God ordained only two instituations, the Church and marriage.

At the start of the human race, at the outset of the Sacred Writ, is ordained the divine origin and Sanctity of Marriage, One Man and One Women, One Flesh.

Genesis 2:23 Therfore shall a Man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his Wife; and they shall become One Flesh.

This is establsihed at the Federal level and now at the california level, which initially was done in 2000, four years after it was done at the federal level in 1996.

Wow - Do you think God really wants people to spend their time and energy stopping two people who care about each other from making a loving commitment?

It is amazing, i think that in order to support No on 8, the people had to have IQ's below 100.

Consider, millions of dollars came from the Polygamist in Utah and the homosexual pedophiles in the Catholic Church and NAMBLA.

Also, I hear them suggest that Civil Union is not goood enough, because they don't get the same federal rights of marriage. But,

Read the Federal DOMA inacted in 1996, and by the way Califirnia's DOMA in 2000 followed this.

DOMA: The Federal Government may not treat same-sex relationships as marriages for any purpose, even if concluded or recognized by one of the states.

Prop 8 is consisted with the guidelines for the Federal DOMA and just like Protectmarriage.com said the No on 8 people are politically postering to no avail.

Also, consider The bill was passed by Congress by a vote of 85-14 in the Senate[1] and a vote of 342-67 in the House of Representatives[2], and was signed into law by President Bill Clinton on September 21, 1996.

That means that it was passed by 85% vote in the Senate and 85% in the House, which is consisted with 87% of America who value a traditional marriage

I don't know why felix the cat is against gay people. Imagine if the gay guys became straight. Do you know how much harder it would be for felix the cat to get laid knowing he had to compete with previously gay dudes for some tittyballs? i bet in an alternate universe felix the cat would be home wishing that straight dudes were gay.

Wow - Do you think God really wants people to spend their time and energy stopping two people who care about each other from making a loving commitment?



Aren't there homeless and sick people to care for?

I honestly can't believe this subject gets people so riled up. We live in such a harsh and dangerous world that anytime two adults find love, we should celebrate and foster it, not destroy or margenalize it.

If you want to protect marriage, ban divorce.

If you don't like gay marriage, don't get one.

And if your so religious - get a real cause to champion.

@felix, re:#87

You can justify many, many things using the Bible, and banning interracial marriage is just one of those. A little quick research shows Christians who use the stories of Phinehas and Ham's curse as justification for their stance against interracial marriages. I personally know Christians who are against interracial marriage.

If you haven't seen people twist Bible passages to support outlandish views, then you haven't been spending enough time in church.

Felix, I think you misunderstand the word "equal".

Your definition of "equal" is the same definition that sent black children to "equal" schools as whites, that required black people to use "equal" restrooms as whites, and that forced black people to sit "equally" in the back of the bus.

No is trying to redefine YOUR marriage. You can still marry someone of the opposite sex if you choose to do so. And then if you want, you can have kids, or not.

It's not like all of a sudden you have to be gay because gay people are allowed to marry each other. I know you understand that, but you seem to be forgetting it.

and i don't get why equal civil unions can't be accepted? what is the agenda to redefine marriage? and please don't say separate but equal. since when did gays have to use any separate facilities.

What you're missing is that you are still allowed to "practice your beliefs." Letting gay people have their share in the word "marriage" doesn't change anything about how you pray, worship, live, etc. I don't understand why you don't get that.

Oh well.

#121, leave marriage alone, let us practice our beliefs and they can have they own religions and they can have EQUAL civil unions. it is not separate. They won't be separate city halls for different unions.

Catholic Charities is the largest Charitable Organization in the US. Look how many charities, hospitals, schools etc. and relief services are funded through the generosity of Catholics. Salavation Army another Christian Charity does tremendous work. Red Cross (notice the Cross) ditto. I didn't find any GLBT,NAMBLA, charity that serves the population outside their own interests. You call it fighting for your rights, but you already are able to be h0m0 in America.

First the religious fanatics attacked people's intelligence as elitist and now you fanatics are attacking people of faith as Palin's fanatics.

this is not about equality but a clash of beliefs. if this was about equality then Equal civil unions would easily pass. but now they want to attack faith based people which explains the attacks on the Mormons.

Well, gay people are not looking to get rid of the word "marriage," because they don't want to take away anyone's rights. They just want the same rights.

trust me, unlike most other freaks on this website, i completely respect your right to voice your opinion. i happen to disagree with that opinion, but i don't feel the need to start throwing boogers at you like most of these intolerant fools fighting for tolerance on this website.

the fact that they are preaching tolerance but have no tolerance for your point of view is disgraceful.

#118 agreed but the gay movement doesn't want that.

Why should they have to be happy with equal civil unions? Why can't they be "married?"

Personally, with the way the church is fighting for the word "marriage," I'd be fine with calling everything a civilian union, and getting rid of the word marriage altogether.

#115, it can't be keep out of schools in Mass because if is the law of the land. they can't have prayers in schools (which I agree) but they can have homosexual teaching in schools. that is why we can't redefine marriage. why can't gays be happy with EQUAL civil unions? because it it is agenda to attack those who don't share their same beliefs.

when I question someone in regards to Mass, they state we have to put children in private schools if we don't agree. this is why I am against redefining marriage. not as all the intolerable people insulated that I am gay or a KKK or a religious fanatic. I am fighting for my beliefs.

#113, it can't be keep out of schools in Mass because if is the law of the land. they can't have prayers in schools (which I agree) but they can have homosexual teaching in schools. that is why we can't redefine marriage. why can't gays be happy with EQUAL civil unions? because it it is agenda to attack those who don't share their same beliefs.

ok felix but now we are confusing two different arguments. the first is gay marriage and the second is shoving gay marriage down the throat of the education system.

what you have provided is unacceptable behavior by the state of mass. if gay marriage was legalized, it should not be given any special treatment. so yes, there i agree, this would be unacceptable.

but to say that since it is legalized it will create more gay couples is in a way naive. i mean, its not like being gay is illegal now. in fact, it is perfectly legal.

just keep it out of the schools.

#112, then why can't gay be happy with EQUAL civil unions.

Catholic Charities is the largest Charitable Organization in the US. Look how many charities, hospitals, schools etc. and relief services are funded through the generosity of Catholics. Salavation Army another Christian Charity does tremendous work. Red Cross (notice the Cross) ditto. I didn't find any GLBT,NAMBLA, charity that serves the population outside their own interests. You call it fighting for your rights, but you already are able to be h0m0 in America.

I apologize if you think I'm stereotyping everyone who believes in god. I know plenty of people who believe in god, but support gay marriage. It's some of the ultra-religious that piss me off, because many times their message in one of intolerance. And there's absolutely no evidence that gay people are ruining our society. I have gay relatives and work with gay people. They're human being just like anyone else, and deserve the same respect and rights that heterosexuals deserve. This is about equality. And if you're against equality, you're against what this country is supposed to stand for.

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why dont these pinkies go after the black communities? bunch of pink cowards.

#107 this is not about Palin, stop stereotyping anyone who believes in God. Who won? Obama. So stop stereotyping/attacking anyone who believes in God. How would you like it if I say every Gay person is a freak, has Aids, has multiple partners, etc. ?

#104 this is how it will affects you

http://www.massresistance.org/docs/marriage/effects_of_ssm.html

and #105 stop your drama bitch, this is not a civil issue so stop using the KKK arguments. that is why blacks want to kick your ass for trying to use their history to justify your attack on god and religion.

Sure, we all vote based on our beliefs, but I feel as though a lot of conservative voters cast their votes on issues that have more to do with the church, rather than the state. I mean, why else was Sarah Palin picked as McCain's running mate? It certainly wasn't based on her knowledge of anything. It was just to please the folks that thought McCain wasn't religious enough. They use the poor, religious people as pawns. Why else would some poor person vote for a candidate that was perfectly happy to let the lower and middle class to pay more taxes, while the ultra-rich continue to get tax breaks? Gay marriage and abortion are all diversions, and really have nothing to do with the way this country is run.

And while I don't agree with Proposition 8 at all, at least it was handled by the state.

and #100 is telling jokes circa 1992. fantastic

felix the pussy will never, ever answer this question:

Why should anyone in the US of A EVER conform to your bible and your kkkristian views? Why do you believe that your religion is the only religion or the right religion? forget the whole gay issue, since you are so stuck on the religious aspects. do you not recognize Judaism, Hinduism, Buddhism, Islam? do you not realize that most religious people in the world believe they are 'right' but also recognize everyone has the right to worship as they see fit?

ok we all have a right to our opinions. the mormons have every right to give their money to parties opposed to gay marriage. and the supporters of gay marriage have every right to protest. both are given those rights by the constitution. to deny either of these parties their basic freedom is unconstitutional. freedom of religion and freedom from religion go hand in hand, but we all have one voice.

if the majority of voters in california wanted to declare marriage as between a man and a women, then that is the ruling. new york state will get its chance to voice its opinion soon enough. and if new york state decides against gay marriage, then so be it.

but seriously, i'm fairly conservative and i'm really trying to figure out how two men getting married affects me. and i really have come up with no scenario that it is any of my business. i like girls, they like guys. great, now lets go back to our own business.

if we told the religious fanatics that gays will never ever have an abortion, do you think that would change their mind?

#101, cmon, what person doesn't vote based on their beliefs???? we all vote based on our beliefs. you probably believe in gay marriages and vote that way,don't you?

#95, you are wrong about that, it is our beliefs and people who place their children in catholics adoptions believe the church will follow it beliefs. There are many adoptions places, why force church to place children in gay families. it is against our belief. You are forcing us to conform to your beliefs.

I think it's hilarious that you don't want the government to tamper with your beliefs, considering how many religious people vote based on religion, rather than politics.

I have no problem with people who want to worship their god, however they choose, as long as it's non-violent. I just don't understand why they feel the need to have their beliefs effect other people. No one is asking you to turn your home into a church that marries gay people. So, why does it bother you so much?

Why is the bride smiling on her wedding day? She knows she has given her last blowjob.

#89, it would help if you clarify what religion supports gay marriage so i can respond.

and what i want my children to learn is my business. my children and all of us people of faith will teach children that man and women produce children and that it is the union God made.

#95 that is why civil unions for all including non religious people should be done by govt. govt should not tamper with our beliefs and redefine marriage to appease others with different beliefs.

and why can you gays be happy with equal civil unions?

felix, re 87:

the massachusetts examples are point to are red herrings. yes, there are legitimate questions raised regarding the tensions between freedom of religion and equality. massachusetts has made its own determinations on this point. if you have an issue with that, propose changing the educational or adoption laws. but banning same-sex marriage b/c it may have some negative knock-on effects for certain quasi-religious functions is ridiculous. it is no different than requiring all religious institutions that provide certain public services to make certain accommodations (such as hiring non-members, etc.) when providing such services.

also, since when is the provision of adoption services a certain tenant of the catholic church? the church was providing a public service which required it to follow certain state law. the fact that the adoption agency in question chose to close down rather than to consider gay couples for adoptions speaks much more about the church's willingness to put its own social views ahead of the public good, than it does about the state imposing itself in religion.

also, what exactly are these schools teaching about marriage? i'm pretty sure that never came up when i was a kid (i can't even imagine when it would). if you're upset at the fact that some primary school kids may be exposed to something as shocking as the idea of tolerance for gays and lesbians or the undeniable fact that, yes, Virginia, gays do exist and can get married - then perhaps you need to stick your head in the sand until the rapture comes to save you from us heathens.

stupid, sperms are not sacred, otherwise I would have consecrated a lot of public places.

this is not about equality but a clash of differing beliefs.

Why does it offend you so much if gay people want to get married--under the WORD "married".

You say you don't have a problem with gays having "civil unions" so why is marriage such a stretch for you?

Felix, you didn't answer the question.

By YOUR standards, do all straight couples need to produce children in order to be considered "married?"

#88 damn, not all couples, I say just one, only uno, gay couple in the whole wide world, in the whole universe produce one child through gay intercourse and then i will change my beliefs.

A church adoption center was closed after 100 years since it wouldn't place children in gay families. since it is the law of the land, Mass withheld funding. this is wrong, how can the govt force us to comply against our beliefs. this is not about equality but about destroying freedom of religion?

i have to return to work before my boss cans my gay ass.

I will read all you gays and gay supporters' words of intolerance and attack against freedom later

Look in the mirrors, you gays/gays supporters are the real oppressors. it like a page from Orwell's animal farm.

You hate us so much and you hate your beliefs and your love for God. shame on you, oppressors, i feel like a third class citizen

"The fact that not one gay couple can produce a child through gay intercourse proves to me that it is not a sacred union."

well, shit, if it's not a sacred union then we MUST stop it. was Britney Spears' 2-day vegas wedding a 'sacred union'?

btw, what the fuck is a 'sacred union'?

i noticed that you have yet to respond to the fact that different religions have very different conceptions of what constitutes, as you put it, a 'sacred union.' apparently, marriage laws should conform to the marriage rites of your own personal beliefs, right? i mean, you are not trying to impose your personal religious beliefs on the rest of us, right? oh wait, that's exactly what you want - nevermind.

someone more brilliant than me once said that 'every sperm is sacred' - so isn't two dudes twice as sacred as a man and a woman?

Felix:

Why does the outcome of marriage have to be children? People marry because of love. And then some have children.

So, do all straight couples need to have children in order to be considered "married?"

It's obvious no one is going to change your opinion, but it's a pretty fucked up, archaic opinion based on fear and hatred, and certainly not love.

I am not wasting my time anymore discussing my beliefs. we all have different beliefs. the issue is that now Govt and the Pink Agenda want to impose their beliefs unto us. in regard to the example #72 Chester, if govt decides to redefine kosher to include pork than all business can label pork products as kosher since it is legal. then pork eaters would say why should jew impose their beliefs unto us let them have they own stores with their own kosher products. This is happening in Mass., since gay marriage is legal, gay marriage is taught in schools and parents have no say. and if a parent is against then the pro gay respond "put your child in a private school that doesn't teach homosexuality" . A church adoption center was closed after 100 years since it wouldn't pass children in gay families. since it is the law of the land, Mass withheld funding. this is wrong, i can the govt force us to comply against our beliefs. this is not about equality but about destroying freedom of religion.

#83 where in the bible does it prohibit marriage between different races? where in the bible is Adam and Eve race identified? people of different races can produce child. The fact that not one gay couple can produce a child through gay intercourse proves to me that it is not a sacred union.

pinkies is what you guys referred to yourself, I seen the marchers yesterday wearing pink wife beaters and pink hankies. It look like a bad Bristol Myers commercial

pinkies?

are you calling gays communists now?

and, btw, i agree that blacks overwhelmingly supporting Prop 8, but that is definitely a religious versus a simple racial issue. also, while many other churches were involved in the Yes on 8 campaign, it is hard to ignore the fact that the campaign was largely organized and supported by the Mormon church.

and don't worry - i am upset with Trick Trick - but, no offense, the insane rantings of a person no one even listens to (huh, look who i'm talking to!) regarding his own personal homophobia is probably just SLIGHTLY less significant to the gay community right now than marriage equality.

@felixthecat:

If you can pause from your name calling tantrum for a bit, would you care to address the issue of the Supreme Court overturning bans on interracial marriage? This was a case of the court acting against the will of the majority to "impose their beliefs" on people whose religion defined marriage as being between one man and one woman of the same race. Should we re-institute those bans as well?

By the way, the institution of marriage is not a religious entity, at least not as far government involvement is concerned. You can indeed get married without involving any religious ceremony, and I know many people for whom this is the case.

felix, perhaps their religion doesn't think the same way yours does. ever noticed that is more than one religion in this world?

btw, with all of your hate and the language you use, your setting a great example of a church goer. keep up the good work.

felix: are you not aware that many religious denominations have for years performed same-sex marriages? or are you suggesting that public policy should merely match the religious views of 'majority' or 'preferred' religions?

if it is an 'imposition' on your religion to allow same-sex marriage, it is then equally an imposition on these other denominations for the state to not recognize their validly-performed same-sex marriages.

also, re: the 'pregnant man' - is he forcing your church to marry him? is he forcing your church to baptize his children? if not, then who the fuck cares?

finally, i don't give a crap about you or your religion "conforming" or agreeing with same-sex marriage. we live in a country with both freedom of speech and freedom of religion - so you can continue to spout off your insane rants, while i should be able to marry the person of my chosing. i understand you would chose a different person, but, hey, it's America - if you wanted to live in a theocracy, i suggest moving to Iran - i'm sure your fundamentalist views would be appreciated there.

#79 how the hell should I know where he got his name from? the point is that you pinkies' panties don't get wound up about him or the blacks who opposed gays but you go against mild religious mormons because you are cowards. Pink color suits you just fine.

Felixthecat - did Trick Trick get that name in prison? I bet he did, didn't he?

#77, so if gay are religious then they know that a marriage is btw man and woman and man and woman produce child, so why are they going against their belief to redefine marriage and impose it unto the churches.

The "pregnant man" is eating for two - again.

Just four months after giving birth to a healthy baby girl, Thomas Beatie has told ABC News he is expecting another child next spring.

This is the agenda and the kook aid that they will fed to us, same sex marriages and that men give birth and you won't have any say over it. your children and church will be forced to conform because it is the law of the land

felix, why do you keep bringing up trick trick? who gives a sh*t what some ignorant ass thinks? did he even go to school? and guess what, there are many, many gay people that are also religious. idiot.

i am not anti-gay or pro-gay, honestly you guy need the attention. but now you are trying to redefine marriage and force us to conform and that is unacceptable.

#73 nitwit, if the govt decides to redefine Kosher to include pork then yes you are imposing your beliefs unto them

#51 nitwits, the mormon church did not donate money to the yes side for prop 8, it was many people of religious faith including mormon. In fact I will contact the shareholders and ask how is APPLE a public company permitted to use shareholder money to promote gay marriage????

if my pastor ask me to follow my faith then he and the church would be under attack? nitwits coward, where are all the pinkies protesting rapper Trick Trick for saying he don't want for FAGGOT money? where are all the pinkes protesting the blacks who supported Prop 8? No you are not for equality, you just hate God and anything that you don't agree with. Again, if those bash back tried that in my church, I would ram the bible down their throats.

@felixthecat:

I'm still amused by your "they're imposing beliefs on me!" reverse psychology canard. I suppose by eating bacon for breakfast in my own home this morning, I was imposing my beliefs on Jews everywhere?

Oh, and you saying "I am not anti-gay" is like saying "I'm not racist, I just don't think blacks should have rights".

Because Jesus was all about choking people to death...what a maroon!

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first of you, I am not gay. I know you guy need to label everyone gay and every action gay to make yourself feel better. Ok, I am GAY and I am against GAY marriage. I support equal civil unions. Also nitwits, I did not say every couple must produce a child to marry, I said if ONE GAY couple in the whole wide world can produce a CHILD through GAY INTERCOURSE then I will be the first one to support GAY Marriages (p.s. no sex changers included in this challenge)

If you hate religion then that is your belief but those impose it unot us. Like I said this is no about equality but about socialization. you want to impose your belief unto us and your hatred for God and Religion is quite evident in your remarks. If those bash back ever tried that stunt in my church I would choke them to death

Also, i am not anti-gay, i don't care who you bonk.

first of you, I am not gay. I know you guy need to label everyone gay and every action gay to make yourself feel better. Ok, I am GAY and I am against GAY marriage. I support equal civil unions. Also nitwits, I did not say every couple must produce a child to marry, I said if ONE GAY couple in the whole wide world can produce a chile through GAY INTERCOURSE then I will be the first one to support GAY Marriages (p.s. no sex changers included in this challenge)

If you hate religion then that is your belief but those impose it unot us. Like I said this is no about equality but about socialization. you want to impose your belief unto us and your hatred for God and Religion is quite evident in your remarks. If those bash back ever tried that stunt in my church I would choke them to death

Zodak, they did something productive; they marched in protest. You know...like millions have done through out the United States history?

To condemn people from speaking up is unamerican!

Man, I liked it better when felix was foaming at the mouth with the cat-kicker stories. Instead of foaming at the mouth with anti-gay stories.

WINKWINK

spongebob squarepants is my lover. He's kind of scruffy but with a little water he becomes very absorbent.

"I make a deal with you guys"

Ooh! We didn't realize that you were the Boss Of The World.

felixthecat, stop using a good cat's name to post your retarded views.

Those protest signs are pretty clever!

this reminds me of that south park episode with the mormon church story and the song about joseph smith and his followers that went: "dumbdumbdumb dumbduuuuuuumb"

religion should stay far far far away from civil rights. this isn't about reproduction, this is about the right to CHOOSE how to live and who to love. and it's not like the passing of proposition 8 will curb homosexuality, you crazy ass mormons! i'm sure it'll get reversed, because this shit ain't constitutional. i'm sick of conservatives trying to keep the USA in the 1950s. abortions and gay sex will still happen, people. so let's just have it out in the open and move on.

BackStJoe: i can't understand why people would waste so much time & effort "showing support" instead of,

oh,

i don't know,

maybe,

doing something productive?