Now I know why I always hated Park Slope.

#39 I love when people cite random websites as some sort of source of "information" where they learned these "facts." A random blog is the same, evidence-wise, as a sandwich board on a maniac. Just because something has been typed does not make it true.

references to mass suicide are a bit over the top.

It was grape Flavor-Aid, too, not Kool-Aid.

ok so hate is everywhere but can we stop with the kool-aid thing already, references to mass suicide are a bit over the top.

Obama will turn out to be way more conservative then you think btw.

How many Warren Buffets or CEOs have come to the rescue of wall street?

In fact the japanese have! there you have for the national supremacist!

How can you leave the lords of the market rule with their only principle: greedy gain, if they can not even be responsible for their bad decisions?

republicans believe in a corporate feudalistic society where some divine rule of invisible hand gives power to a few, and where the government is the only obstacle to bring the divine power into the soul of non deserving mortals.

All men created equal is not a principle, but a difficult not even feasible status where government is the biggest obstacle?

That's the reason the republican party will die soon: economical darwinism is the furthest construct from civility.

Faack. Just wrote a huge response and it said "registration required."

Basically, it's laughable that you think Amanda has said facts. She cited quotes and injected her opinions; it's all opinions. To bring econometrics into this debate is irrelevant, zodak. So you can say you agree with her, but it's subjective.

Anyway, Amanda did not care to address why HUD, CRA, Fannie, Freddie, and printing money is not regulation. She also has not justified why Greenspan's irresponsible monetary policy is not to blame.

Free-market capitalism is based on the markets allocating capital through price mechanisms. A centrally planning market is when the capital is not fixed and you set price floors and ceilings, as well as inject other regulation.

Clearly, we're not a free-market and you're just advocated for more planning and more control when that's what got us into the mess in the first place.

Can't we all just agree to disagree. Take the moral high ground people.

damn, amanda won this thread early on with her facts & links to even more facts & yet somehow people still think they can argue with her.

amazing.

seriously, chips, you lost.

"we just know to keep our opinions to ourselves around Park Slope and NYC in general."

I keep my mouth closed about politics at work. Outside of work...forget it...I'll argue and debate anyone, especially those around my age, college students who aren't using their brains and are blindly voting for Sen. Obama.

Amanda! No feeding the animals!!

Yup, so did monopolies, child-labor, insider trading, unsafe conditions at a workplace, securities fraud. Sorry to burst your romantic-past bubble.

Those are all boogeymans.

Monopolies are not inherently bad; many economists agree on this. What's always bad is the regulation to try and prevent or break up monopolies.

Child labor is also not necessarily bad. So kids used to work in the fields in this country? Gasp! They should've been sitting in a inner city classroom doing nothing and then dropping out at 16 and being jobless. The notion that everyone in this country has to go to college and graduate with a white collar job in hand is a romanticized view, yg.

As for unsafe working conditions and safety regulation, google: George McGovern hotel regulation. Having politicians try and figure out what the safest environment is in a workplace is futile. Every environment is different; a car plant differs from a sewing mill that differs from a floor of cubicles. Also, when people complain about the outsourcing of jobs, look no further than the high costs of running a business in this country. How many permits do you need to build a building then have workers? How much money do you have to pay for their payroll taxes? Why do I have to pay them $6.75/hour--or whatever the federal min wage is--when the job isn't worth that?

Insider trading and fraud are crimes no matter how you spin it. When libertarians say "no regulation" it still makes defrauding people, murder, stealing, and rape crimes. But you make my point: Insider trading and fraud still exist in 2008 and is probably even worse. When you create all these rules, you also create all of these loopholes. When you create bureaucracy, you also create more people to have the wool potentially pulled over their eyes.

bottomless,you are saying that the Federal reserve as institution should disappear and give total control to wall street? So why do wall street should receive ANY money from the government AT ALL?

Why were the republicans IN THE GOVERNMENT throwing a life saver to wall-street if they believe in free-market? All for wall-street none for anybody else? Power for the sake of power only for those in the wall street wagon?

So basically you are saying that Greenspan believed and practiced heavy regulatory policies like nobody else(?)...because in fact (mmmm here is where things don't go your way) he believed and practiced free market to the extreme of not forseeing or regulating the creation of bubbles

...So you say we has a moderate while being the most free market advocate in the Fed Reserve...?

Subversion seems to rule your equations.

I just can't believe a "New Yorker" said Y'all...

Great, another Turd Sandwich vs. Giant Douche election.

"A vote for McCain is a vote for George W. Bush"

A vote for Obama is a vote for Osama bringing back the draft and having the Govt confiscate your 401K money...

People are fightin' over which hand puppet Punch (Dem) or Judy (Repub) they want to appear to lead them to the slaughter.

fucking liberals!!!!!!!!!!

@YG Unless you are part of the wealthiest 1%, you are basically a serf, and we've just experienced the largest securities fraud in recorded history, so that argument doesn't work so well. We don't have child labor in the US, but it's pervasive in China, India and Africa and if Google, the oil industry and the largest banks in the world absorbing each other isn't a monopoly, maybe we should get in touch with Parker Brothers and re-write the rules to the game.

sorry to break to you park slopers, you're still dickheads. both sides, though I have a feeling the mccain supporters are much more dicky.

we'll find out when the results come out showing turnout. second in dickheaddom, ft. greene.

sorry I's calls it as I's sees it.

Brooklyn heighters were cool with me when Club Wildfyre was still around on clark street.