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Lately, as John McCain trails Barack Obama in the polls, the McCain-Palin camp has been seizing on Obama's connection to former 1960s radical William Ayers, founder of the Weather Underground. Vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin has accused Obama of "palling around" with Ayers, calling him a domestic terrorist, and, now, Yonkers City Councilman John Murtagh is joining the criticism--a move that Daily News calls "desperate."
When Murtagh was 9 years old and his father, Justice John Murtagh, was presiding over a trial of the Black Panthers in 1970, his family's home was firebombed, supposedly by the Weather Underground. Murtagh said, "Barack Obama may have been a child when William Ayers was plotting attacks against U.S. targets - but I was one of those targets."
Obama spoke out, telling ABC News:
"I'll repeat again what I've said many times. This is a guy who engaged in some despicable acts 40 years ago when I was eight years old. By the time I met him, 10 or 15 years ago, he was a college professor of education at the University of Illinois... And the notion that somehow he has been involved in my campaign, that he is an adviser of mine, that... I've 'palled around with a terrorist', all these statements are made simply to try to score cheap political points..."I am surprised that, you know, we've been seeing some pretty over-the-top attacks coming out of the McCain campaign over the last several days, that he wasn't willing to say it to my face. But I guess we've got one last debate. So presumably, if he ends up feeling that he needs to, he will raise it during the debate."
Obama also questioned why McCain was focusing on that line of attack instead of discussing the economy. Murtagh, for his part, told the Daily News, "The issue is really not an attempt on my family's life. The issue is Barack Obama's judgment."
The NY Times recently looked at the Obama-Ayers connection, finding that while it seems like Obama may have downplayed his "contacts with Ayers," who is a fixture in education and anti-poverty groups, "But the two men do not appear to have been close." Earlier this year, when the Ayers connection was brought up in the primary race, the Washington Post reported Ayers did donate $200 to Obama's State Senate re-election campaign and "moved in the same liberal-progressive circles." And Michelle Obama discussed Ayers on the Daily Show and Larry King show, noting that Ayers and Obama both served on the board of the Annenberg Challenge. When Larry King brought up that it was started by the Annenberg family, she pointed out that Mrs. Annenberg is a McCain supporter.
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if Obama's tight with Ayers, all the better!
assh*le
Bill Ayers is Obama's political mentor. Unfortunately it's just one of many radical leftist associations he has.
This is a legitimate issue to bring up, too bad the McCain people waited so long to do it.
Ides- If it is so important to the McCain camp, then why didn't they addressed it at the debate on Tuesday?
Oh right, because it's ridiculous and irrelevant, not to mention desperate.
Didn't Ayers know that Obama was going to be president 40 years later? He should have moved out of town. Seriously, nobody's running for Jesus here.
Remember how BushOne was Vp for Reagan who sold weapons for hostages in Iran? Well, isn't that palling around with war criminals? And we got another Bush out of that. How's that gone again?
Pffffffffft, ides, where did you pull that one out of?
FEAR UNCERTAINTY DOUBT, troll buddy o' pal, FUD is the only thing that McCain and Palin have left in their strategy. If that's the only thing they have left a month before the elections...well, it's obviously not boding well for them!
name these "radical leftist associations", ides
What's a Yonkers?
(Even) CNN has proven Obama as lying about his terrorist-pal Ayers.
Not that I think it will matter to the drones...
"Political Mentor"? They served on the same board. They knew each other. Let's not get out of hand here.
Sorry Republican douchebags, nobody's buying your bullshit this time around! You can talk about Ayers all you want but Obama just pulled out to an 11 point lead nationally. You can try to bamboozle people with ridiculous notions of how ACORN brought down Fannie Mae, but people know that you're full of shit liars who will say anything to get elected and now Obama is running away with most of the key swing state.
Bye-bye, assholes.
If McCain were as closely associated with an unrepentant abortion clinic bomber as Obama is with Ayers would you consider it irrelevant? Be honest.
Obama was not 8 years old when he had his political coming out party in Bill Ayers living room.
Obama was not 8 years old when Ayers did fundraising for him.
Obama was not 8 years old in 2001 when Ayers was photographed stomping on the American flag.
Any decent person with an ounce of judgement and patriotism would have repudiated Ayers immediately. Obama embraced him.
CNN YouTube video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wI7pUMbaINI
Ides- Again, then why wasn't it addressed at this weeks debate if it is such an issue to the McCain camp? I don't get it.
ides needs to get a life, fast.
can't wait until november 6th when he returns to the dank basement where he came from.
there's a special place in heaven for ya doncha know.
Wait till AmeriKKa finds out Bill Ayers is White.
and the weather underground is not related to the black panthers.
When people can't deal with the message, they attack the messenger.
No wonder the left is so aggressively secular, they worship politicians.
hey Ides of March, does G. Gordon Liddy ring a bell? You dipshits should be wary of stirring up the pot, your guy has plenty of "terrorist" skeletons in his closet too.
"If it is so important to the McCain camp, then why didn't they addressed it at the debate on Tuesday?"
Did you watch the debate? If you did you'd know it was the moderator Tom Brokaw choosing the questions. He didn't ask about Ayers so it wasn't discussed. Duh.
You can work anything to any question- just ask your pal Sarah Palin. Duh. Wink. Gotcha.
Politics as usual. The Republicans are sounding a lot like Hank Steinbrenner and how he was a cry baby because the Dodgers made the playoffs.
Bill Ayers is Obama's political mentor
Provide some evidence.
This is all asinine. We're definitely in the political "silly season."
ALSO
If Ayers is such a scoundrel, why did the city of Chicago give him a "Citizen of the Year" award?
Source
Guys, don't feed the trolls.
Trolling (unlike pimping) is easy:
Step One: Say something incendiary. You don't even have to actually believe it -- just as long as it's (a) false, (b) insulting, and preferrably (c) totally unrelated to anything. It's easy -- I'll start: "Obama is a member of Hamas!"
Step Two: Allege that the reason others don't hold that view is that they are (a) themselves a member of Hamas, (b) ignorant, (c) bamboozled by the liberal media, or (d) blinded by ideology and unable to see the truth(TM). So: "The only reason you commie muslims can't see that he's a member of Hamas is that you're too busy worshipping at the feet of Godbama and his liberal media cronies."
Wait...that's not quite right. Something's missing.... Oh, yeah: "...douchebags."
Step Three: Wait for people to try to reason with you. Whatever they say, call them stupid. "You're an idiot if you don't know that he's a member of Hamas. He met last week with Hussein Ayatollah Bombamerica! Duh."
(Include a few blatant lies, as necessary. Don't worry, there's no such thing as an "internet" where people could quickly look things up and disprove what you're saying.)
Step Four: Allege that all the people telling you to piss off and stop trolling are (a) unable to grasp the message, (b) worshipping their candidate, or (c) themselves trolls.
Step Five: Yell upstairs to your mother to bring down more Tostino's pizza rolls.
Step Six: Sit back and enjoy.
So, you see, responding to things like this just feed the trolls -- figuratively and (if mommy brings those yummy pizza rolls soon enough) literally.
Don't do it.
Most people posting here are obv. brainwashed and incapable of carrying out a rational discussion. The knee-jerk left is just as bad as McCarthyites.
1984 anyone? Do you guys want to prosecute Ides for "Hate Thought"?
Case in point: How many here support the corporate bailout? And yet you will still vote for your candidate who voted to authorize it.
Even Nancy Pelosi is now saying "wait a minute --- we need some changes in this thing" Too bad. Read the fine print. You make yer bed, now you sleep in it.
You know what Ides....so what? I think Rumsfeld and Cheney have made more damage to this country than the Weather Underground...
you can talk about this till you're blue in the face. nothing will change. they say this and they say that. the only way this will all end is when come Nov. we ALL VOTE to get that party out.
for good!!
There is NO CHANGE, just more of the same with McCain!
Everyone must vote! This is a very important election and this BS will not stop unless we stop it by voting. Stop the talk and vote!
bxbrian,
chicago gave him an award b/c the city is run by mobsters. Now we'll have a chicago pol do his "thug thizzle" on The Constitution.
lousy link here's a better one
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2001/10/03/DD235154.DTL&hw=Ayers+Daley&sn=001&sc=1000
santijose ---
your guy (yes, "that one") supports Bush all down the line. How is that change?
Obama said when HE'S president, there's gonna be "no more bailouts"
This is obviously his "no new taxes" moment.
I think it would be fine if Ayers were an advisor to Obama. What's wrong with Bill Ayers?
"no new taxes" got Bush I elected. good example?
/owned
NYCsniper:
Nothing like abject racism to make your case clear.
/dickwad
I'm ammused by claims of terrorism.
Henry Kissinger ordered military strikes against civilian targets that killed an estimated 4 million Cambodian people.
That's genocidal, folks.
But a few weak bombs that almost had the juice to break the toilets in which they were placed forty years has a few people gasping and grasping for political advantages.
Ridiculous.
Bxbrian, yes Mr. McCarthy. You got me. I'm a big fat racist. If I don't agree with you, it's racism, I deserve to be killed, etc. Have you ever listened objectively to the hatred you and other leftists spread?
At least I can think for myself. Your mind is "made up".
"Now we'll have a chicago pol do his "thug thizzle" on The Constitution."
You really have nothing to say about what's appropriate re: the constitution.
What sniper? I don't think I know where to begin with you.
Who called for you to be killed? Are you confusing me with the person at Palin's recent rally calling for Obama to be killed? I never said you should--not sure where that came from.
How am I a leftist? Do you know me personally? Do you know who I am past a few sentences on a silly website? I think that might be taking it a bit far. If you knew me, you'd actually realize I'm all for fiscal conservatism and neither candidate seems to promote it. But, I mean, then you'd actually have to know someone before making a glib assumption--and you didn't.
You can believe whatever you want--the country's big enough for it and I'm mature enough not to care. But when you just don't have the linguistic capability to do so in an intelligent way, you do yourself a disservice.
Think for yourself all you like; you might just find that you attract more bees with honey if you tried to use a larger complement of words, and perhaps, a little less inflammatory language.
Ayers is old news. This was exhausted during the primaries. McCain is desperate.
Brokaw didn't pick any Ayers questions. True. If it was so important, he'd have brought it up anyway. Sarah Palin proved politicians can ignore direct questions during debates.
Oh, ides, speaking of abortion clinic bombers and McCain...check out Marylin Shannon, Shelley Shannon and the Army of God.
What about all the Nazi sympathizers that McCain pals around with?
Btw, there sure are a lot of stupid people commenting on these boards.
@#24
Its called "thoughtcrime"
If anything is like the Dystopia of 1984 its today/the last 8 years.
All you trolls should be put in room 101 to have banksy's rats gnaw some sense into your brains.
Yonkers City Councilman John Murtagh has chosen to associate and work with persons who have, within the past decade, used violence and the threat of violence to prevent women from exercising their right to an abortion. The Ayers thing is fearmongering in the worst possible form and it will fail to secure the White House for McCain.
WSJ reports:
"From 1999 to 2001, Mr. Murtagh served as a pro-bono lawyer for the Rev. John T. Murphy, a leader of a group of antiabortion protesters who spent years picketing outside Long Island Gynecological Services in Garden City, N.Y. Rev. Murphy ran a charity called 'Save the Babies,' records show.
"According to a 1995 Nassau County, N.Y., court decision involving the clinic, the Nassau County Police Department was called to the premises at least 17 times in 1994 and 1995 to investigate reports of physical assault, harassment, bomb threats and in four cases, the firing of bullets into windows."
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122350949805717257.html?mod=googlenews_wsj
If not for term limits, ides of march would have voted for Dubya next month.
76:
There's still some time before he's forcibly removed from the place. Maybe we'll get to keep Shrub.
Ides, GEORGE BUSH IS THE BIGGEST FUCKING TERRORIST EVER! And McCain is his sidekick. How's that for a fucked up association? The party of George Bush must die! Vote for Obama for Revenge for the last 8 years of stupidity, corruption and treason.
That, and Ayers' group only succeeded in killing a few of its own members.
I interviewed a fellow student in college who went on to firebomb a recruiting station (albeit unsuccessfully). Does that make me a terrorist pal?
sleezeballs associate with sleezeballs. if you hang out with riff raff you are riff raff. its not freaking rocket science. there is a lot to like about obama but his shady past is too much to handle.
it's not like mccain's got a stellar track record either though, ma bell. that's not to say that anyone here is blameless or faultless, or that you're wrong.
Republicans are fucking stupid.
i never said that he did. what a sad state of affairs...
FUD FUD FUD FUD, FUD FUD FUD FUD...
I love this thread!
I think it's sad that poor old McCain has resorted to slander at the end of his career. No election could be worth disgracing yourself like that.
Let's not forget that Sarah Palin is a member of the Alaskan Independence Party, whose leader sought to buy plastic explosives to conduct bombings against federal institutions. But the story has a quite interesting twist...
David Talbot reports on what would have been the crowning achievement of Alaskan Independence Party founder Joe Vogler had he not been first killed in a plastic explosives deal gone bad:
Vogler's greatest moment of glory was to be his 1993 appearance before the United Nations to denounce United States "tyranny" before the entire world and to demand Alaska's freedom. The Alaska secessionist had persuaded the government of Iran to sponsor his anti-American harangue.
That's right ... Iran. The Islamic dictatorship. The taker of American hostages. The rogue nation that McCain and Palin have excoriated Obama for suggesting we diplomatically engage. That Iran.
The following year, Todd and Sarah Palin attended the AIP convention, and Todd Palin joined the party shortly thereafter.
So Obama is the terrorist sympathizer?
so SP let me get this straight...you have rightly held palin up to these standards...but you are going to give obama a pass? consistently inconsistent
The longer form of the article is here:
http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2008/10/07/palins_unamerican/
It'll be pretty funny if this "terrorism" stuff works around to stick on Palin and poor old McCain.
The difference is, Palin actually DOES pal around with terrorists, Obama doesn't.
i see. how naive we can be. so we should take left wing bloggers as speakers of truth but cast off right wing bloggers as liars and desperate. fact is, there is a little bit of truth to everything.
doesn't it give you a sore neck to sit that way consistently? and furthermore...isn't it kind of stinky up there?
Ah yes, Yonkers.
It's nice that he's talking about national politics but ah, how about repaving the roads!
R-E-D H-E-R-R-I-N-G.