Gothamist: September 11's 7th Anniversary, Covered

Snoopy

Fri, 12 Sep 2008 11:45:29 -0500

Another reminder and an update of your non-terrorist type actions, Spirit. Sep 12 1970 After releasing most of their captives, the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine blows up three hijacked passenger jets in the Jordanian desert. The 40 remaining Israeli hostages are taken to secret locations in Amman, Jordan. Are you going to pay to replace the planes?

Snoopy

Thu, 11 Sep 2008 21:13:31 -0500

See spirit there are people coming up with ideas. Got any? I didn't think so.

NannyState

Thu, 11 Sep 2008 20:33:19 -0500

If the TSA disappeared tomorrow and people could board planes the way they did 20 years ago, how many would complain or even bemoan the lack of that extra security? Air traffic would explode and the airlines would be awash in money. The attacks didn't injure air travel half as much as the overreaction. Now people avoid airports and the promise of long lines, humiliating restrictions and procedures, and the uninvited stares of TSA boobs and fellow travellers as one struggles to untie the laces on their shoes. Just do what the russians did at that Moscow theatre hostage drama: install tanks of Fentanyl gas and release it at the first signs of a hijacking, putting everyone in the cabin to sleep. (only don't use too much like the russians did, which resulted in 130 unintended deaths)

Snoopy

Thu, 11 Sep 2008 18:59:50 -0500

Hello again Mr. Spirit of History. Who might I ask hijacked El Al in 1968, another airline in 1976, an Air France in 1976, a Lufthansa in 1977, an Air Egypt in 1982, a Kuwait Airways in 1984, a TWA in 1985, etc? I guess you would say the Boy Scouts of America. Those terrorists destroyed forever a feeling of security for people when traveling by air, and caused a huge financial burden on the airline industry. What needs to occur before you call it major damage?

Snoopy

Thu, 11 Sep 2008 18:45:53 -0500

OK Spirit of funniness. How about having a designated non-flight deck crew member trained in handling abusive people like the air marshals of days gone past? It could be a man or a woman,it wouldn't matter. The individual would be paid additionally for being the one who would take control of an emergency situation and the fool on board would not know which one of the flight attendants was the one who had the special training. Your turn Mr. Ideator.

Spiritof76

Thu, 11 Sep 2008 18:12:55 -0500

Because Americans would cry "police state" if US airlines were run like El Al? Why don't you try their ethnic profiling on US carriers and see how many lawsuits pop up? Again, for your extremely limited intelligence, before 9/11 hijackers were only hijackers. They were not terrorists looking to inflict major damage. Hindsight is a wonderful thing, and I guess we're all in awe of your incredible ideas about what they should have done back in the 80s. Now, oh exalted genius, tell us how to protect everything even better in the future without endangering civil liberties and/or bankrupting the airlines.

Snoopy

Thu, 11 Sep 2008 15:54:25 -0500

I guess the biggest thing that Spirit doesn't understand is the word "secure." Secure isn't necessarily limited to bullet proof armor, it has to do with securing the pod. El Al did a great job and so did Lufthansa prior to 9/11, why didn't the American carriers do the same?

whitecastlerock

Thu, 11 Sep 2008 14:08:07 -0500

Okay the consensus is to "move on" folks... Everyone has bigger and better things to discuss, like hipsters, bike lanes, and windmills.

Spiritof76

Thu, 11 Sep 2008 13:26:27 -0500

Um, just how many skyjackings have there ever been where the hijackers broke in an unreinforced cockpit door? That didn't even happen on 9/11. The pilots let them in after they killed or threatened to kill passengers or crew. At the time, everyone thought hijackers would just land the plane, state their demands, negotiate with authorities and eventually most of the passengers would be freed. The policy today is to not let hijackers in under any circumstances. If the door to Flight 93 had been already broken in, why did the heroic passengers need to use a food cart as a battering ram? As for the opposition to "moving on," there's remembering and then there's being stuck on one day for the rest of your life. We'll never forget, but just because we don't spend every waking moment thinking about lost friends and family doesn't mean we're heartless bastards.

babyhitler

Thu, 11 Sep 2008 12:31:45 -0500

For real dawg, I used to go to stuy and worked as a intern at Aon Insurance during 9/11. Hell, my tennis shoes are in the rubble from the attacks! I practically lived my entire teenage years inside the Mall of the world trade center especially Borders. I was actually in Borders the time that McCain was there in the middle of 2001 to promote his book flag of his fathers. I was in the bathroom and he came in and didn't even know how to use the soap dispenser. I remember thinking "goddam this dude is old, thank god he lost the nomination" and look at him now on the verge of the presidency 7 years older! My boss at aon died in the attacks. I was pretty shaken at the time but I know what my boss would say if he were alive today. "go the fuck out and sell some insurance". Move on already.

Snoopy

Thu, 11 Sep 2008 12:15:42 -0500

Obviously to those that did not lose a friend or a loved one on 9/11 this annual event seems to be wearing thin. The difference here is that many have never received any remains of their loss, so the site serves as a final resting place for them. I believe it's only fair that they revisit that site on the day the tragedy occurred.

Alex

Thu, 11 Sep 2008 12:14:05 -0500

Stay classy Post, stay classy.

whitecastlerock

Thu, 11 Sep 2008 11:59:56 -0500

I will never forget this atrocity. I respect people's rights to assemble and mourn for their loved ones-and for their fellow citizens who lost their lives. To distort, trivialize, and satirize what happened on this day 7 years ago is just despicable.

Steven

Thu, 11 Sep 2008 11:49:47 -0500

Too bad Gothamist wasn't around seven years ago! When are they going to stop reading each and every name of victims who died on 9.11?

Snoopy

Thu, 11 Sep 2008 11:47:11 -0500

I agree,but if the idiots at the FAA back in the 80's had realized the easiest way to stop skyjackings would be to secure the cockpit, I doubt the tactics used on 9/11 would have worked.

EastRiver

Thu, 11 Sep 2008 11:46:25 -0500

the biggest tragedy here is the fact that there hasn't been ANY progress in the construction site in the last 7 years. Perhaps you should go downtown and look around.

TK

Thu, 11 Sep 2008 11:41:14 -0500

Cant disagree with that Snoopy but doesn't give much solace, ya know.

moorecor

Thu, 11 Sep 2008 11:39:12 -0500

So glad that on a day like this, the post still goes w/ a cover like that. Goes to show that it really IS a tabloid and not a reputable newspaper.

chris lee

Thu, 11 Sep 2008 11:19:29 -0500

This is the cartoon we have been living thru for the last 7 years. The militarization of US culture.

theloofyourlife

Thu, 11 Sep 2008 11:07:30 -0500

the biggest tragedy here is the fact that there hasn't been ANY progress in the construction site in the last 7 years.

Dirk

Thu, 11 Sep 2008 11:04:43 -0500

Ah... the New York Post is as classy as ever....

Snoopy

Thu, 11 Sep 2008 11:04:03 -0500

TK, Here's one thing that was made better by 9/11. Airplane cockpits are now made secure. How many skyjackings have there been since they were implemented compared to before?

Murgus

Thu, 11 Sep 2008 11:02:06 -0500

Don't only mourn those that were lost. Mourn everything we lost that day, freedoms, liberty and the chance to pull the world together.

cwbuecheler

Thu, 11 Sep 2008 10:59:30 -0500

TK - I don't think we've seen any improvement since 9/11, no. We've seen a lot of ridiculous, ineffective "security" measures taken and a lot of public abuse of the memories of the dead for political purpose. But as a country we're not any safer, nor any smarter than we were seven years ago. The average person still has no idea why those towers were attacked, let alone what our government is doing to address the underlying political issues that caused it.

TK

Thu, 11 Sep 2008 10:48:00 -0500

I will say this, for me, September 11th will fucking suck forever... Has anything good come from these events and the aftermath? Not to be overly dramatic but, can someone out there give me one thing to make me believe the city, the nation, the system, the people are in any way better off today than we were on Sept 10th?

starrygordon

Thu, 11 Sep 2008 10:44:58 -0500

9/11 has been politically useful, as were the Lusitania, the Maine, the Alamo, and so on. As there seems to be a general propensity to celebrate death and disaster -- not long along we had the spectacle of 1000 motorcycles driving to Pennsylvania along with a cross made from the remains of one of the World Trade Center buildings -- it's not hard to work up a circus each year. But it is getting old and worn-out. I don't see what having a yearly rigmarole does for the survivors of 9/11. I think they're being cynically exploited. I was there, by the way. "Never forget"? I wish I could.

chris lee

Thu, 11 Sep 2008 10:42:51 -0500

It's being used to distract you, to dull the senses and to obscure the obvious.

Bizzle

Thu, 11 Sep 2008 10:40:30 -0500

I hate to say this (because it sounds so damn "trendy"), but it was a tragedy. That being said, people have to move on. There are tons of tragedies in the past and more will come. Stopping lives to remember each and everyone is not progressive or healthy in any manner. Why do we have to stop our lives because a few are having a hard time moving on? And the "...never lost someone." is the weakest (and most narcissistic) argument point I have ever heard!

JacqueMehoff

Thu, 11 Sep 2008 10:38:48 -0500

if I knew then what I know now, I would have stood under one of those towers.

chris lee

Thu, 11 Sep 2008 10:34:46 -0500

I feel sorry for the victim's survivors but you have to be a little objective here. This whole incident is being manipulated for propaganda purposes. Did Pearl Harbor victims or Lusitania victims get compensated "bought off" like this?

kurteye

Thu, 11 Sep 2008 10:17:23 -0500

9/11 is so seven years ago.

zoofroy

Thu, 11 Sep 2008 10:07:20 -0500

Gotta agree with #3. Like I needed another reminder that the Post is a complete joke.

hulaedwyn

Thu, 11 Sep 2008 10:02:38 -0500

My husband had a great idea. Rather than spending tons of money on a complex memorial, do a really simple memorial that could be easily implemented and spend the rest of that money on raises for firefighters and policemen.

jessiegolightly

Thu, 11 Sep 2008 09:59:48 -0500

That's the same stuff that happens every year...

Rocknrope

Thu, 11 Sep 2008 09:57:43 -0500

^ another one who didn't lose anyone that day, and probably hasn't lost anyone unexpectedly. There's some interesting goings on down around ground zero. There are two young guys who are wearing "Iraq veterans against the war" shirts who are standing and saluting. There's also the kook contingent of 9/11 conspiracy theorists making themselves known.

thefacts

Thu, 11 Sep 2008 09:50:16 -0500

#1/2 Thanks for having the gumption to start off on the right foot. When will this morbidity end? These people want to turn lower Manhattan into a grave yard, and have largely succeeded. The Great Fires of 1776 and 1835 destroyed over 500 buildings and leveled the city as it was. Within a few years, the city rebuilt and went on. In those days, there were no organized groups of keeners. Now in the 21st century, we have become a city of professional mourners. This is not to disparage the deaths of the victims. But, we all have loved ones die, and don't take a day off of work every year to mourn and go to their death bed, do we? "Don't mourn, organize"

zodak

Thu, 11 Sep 2008 09:47:19 -0500

anyone claiming people should "move on" must not have lost anyone that day. besides, i'd rather have 9/11 coverage than the stupid lipstick story.

FrankMartin

Thu, 11 Sep 2008 09:45:25 -0500

The Post cover is swill.

chris lee

Thu, 11 Sep 2008 09:39:01 -0500

Let the mis-remembering begin.

fugothamist

Thu, 11 Sep 2008 09:38:03 -0500

move on pubic, professional mourning is pretty pathetic