Gothamist: Lieberman, Bush Address Republican National Convention

mouse6805

Wed, 03 Sep 2008 17:45:54 -0500

Tucker Bounds is a douche. Palin is sure an "expert on energy;" Alaska's been carved up by oil/gas companies.

Future Taliban

Wed, 03 Sep 2008 15:57:47 -0500

"Lieberman, Lewinsky and Miller" Name a jew, a screw and a brew.

Sommelier

Wed, 03 Sep 2008 13:12:17 -0500

"For all you partisan democrats bashing Lieberman, what ever happened to the "dissent is patriotism" cliche I keep hearing? Apparently, not when the dissent is aimed at your own Stalinist orthodoxy. LMFAO!!!!!!!!!! The current administration has excelled at one thing only: demonstrating their insane, monomaniacal insistence on loyalty, blind, unwavering loyalty, to the Learder, George W. Bush. Ane now a right wingnut wants to come online here and tell US about dissent? Wants to tell US about "Stalinist orthodoxy"? Pallyboy... I took my MA in 20th Century History/Political Science. You have no idea of what you are talking about, and you have not a clue as to who Stalin was or what he stood for, or you would find a much more apt comparison with the Cheney/Bush White House than with any Democrat alive today. Idiot!

eyekantspel

Wed, 03 Sep 2008 12:40:50 -0500

No one disputes that Obama votes with the party. However, McCain is attempting to claim that he is not largely supportive of George Bush policies. The 95% number technically only applies to 2007, per Congressional Quarterly. The 90% number comes from McCain's own claims, which are now being spun as misstatements and exaggerations. I'm not spinning anything, and I haven't heard this discrepancy addressed anyplace else. I also have no idea what the actual number should be, and have no doubt that it's a good percentage. I just don't understand why they would each address the point in such important speeches, on consecutive nights, and use different number. That's not spin, it's a fact- check the transcripts. As far as I'm concerned, it's probably not important if it is 90 or 95%, but the Biden and Obama folks should have decided which number to use beforehand. It is obviously a key point in tying McCain to Bush, so I was surprised that they did that. Is there a source for the 95% being based on the 2007 Congressional Quarterly? Because the context for the use of either number in the speeches was not for a single year, but overall. By any chance, do you know what the overall percentage is?

chiefeditor

Wed, 03 Sep 2008 11:36:40 -0500

Speeches ahoy! We have MP3s of all three: Tucker Bounds, Joe Lieberman, and Still President Bush.

Pull My Finger

Wed, 03 Sep 2008 11:34:30 -0500

Wow those panties are getting knotted up real good now. HAHAHA

Think twice

Wed, 03 Sep 2008 11:00:10 -0500

Joe, the would-be-VP for Al Gore won (a few) points for making them applaud Bill Clinton's Presidency. Joe, personally I wish you (and Shyeldun Silvah) would eat pork and die, but that deliciously ironic mind-fuck of the GOP made me pine for happier days.

JacqueMehoff

Wed, 03 Sep 2008 10:55:13 -0500

expect more vague code words used to divide. "America" and "Country First"

moocow

Wed, 03 Sep 2008 10:35:38 -0500

wow, even though all conventions are just for show, the speakers at the dnc at least attempted to say clearer things about the problems that need to be remedied and possible future policies. the rnc was pure regurgitated b.s. g.o.p rhetoric that appealed to the lowest common denominator in the dumbest ways conceivable. and "SARAH PAWLENTY"??? did i mishear that? and anybody who believes in the myth of the "liberal media" needs to read more instead of spewing the same ol' line. there is no liberal media. outlets like npr and pbs like being evenhanded, doing research, and presenting facts. those qualities burn the conservatives like holy water.

Neil Epstein

Wed, 03 Sep 2008 10:32:36 -0500

I noticed the '90' and '95' number being tossed around as well. Though when Obama used it - he would say "Over 90%" while the others would say "95%" - which to me kind of sounds the same, as 95% is over 90%.

plk779

Wed, 03 Sep 2008 10:19:53 -0500

Can't we just vote now and get this over with? This is getting exhausting.

Politburo

Wed, 03 Sep 2008 10:13:32 -0500

"In Obama's acceptance speech, he said that McCain voted with George Bush 90% of the time. The day before, Biden said that McCain voted with Bush 95% of the time. No one seemed to notice or care that the 2 used a different number on what is obviously a key talking point - check the transcripts at NYtimes.com or any other source. Obama's limited voting record shows he has voted on party lines 97% of the time." No one disputes that Obama votes with the party. However, McCain is attempting to claim that he is not largely supportive of George Bush policies. The 95% number technically only applies to 2007, per Congressional Quarterly. The 90% number comes from McCain's own claims, which are now being spun as misstatements and exaggerations.

BTW

Wed, 03 Sep 2008 09:35:56 -0500

Traitor Joe is a disgusting snake and I hate the sound of his voice.

dooWOP

Wed, 03 Sep 2008 09:26:37 -0500

I believe Lieberman is a principled man - he is in no way a sleazy opportunistic weasel. However, he seems to look a lot like the Cowardly Lion with each passing day, hmmm....

Politburo

Wed, 03 Sep 2008 09:20:47 -0500

"When democrats reach across the aisle, the screeching leftist moonbats go beserk." Did you miss the Right's reaction to McCain's immigration bill? The extremists on all sides do not like compromise. That's simply the nature of extremism. "In Lieberman's case, he took a principled stand on one issue and got booted out of the party." Firstly, it wasn't because of his stand on Iraq. There are many other Democrats who support Iraq. Second, it wasn't just Iraq that was a problem. He did not agree with the party on many issues. The main sticking point, though, was Lieberman's co-opting of right-wing memes, with shit like "we undermine presidential credibility at our nation’s peril".

eyekantspel

Wed, 03 Sep 2008 09:17:15 -0500

oh, for goodness sake. Lieberman is friend of McCain, and appreaciates that McCain, like Lieberman, has shown time and again that he's willing to work with people from across the aisle to get things done. In Obama's acceptance speech, he said that McCain voted with George Bush 90% of the time. The day before, Biden said that McCain voted with Bush 95% of the time. No one seemed to notice or care that the 2 used a different number on what is obviously a key talking point - check the transcripts at NYtimes.com or any other source. Obama's limited voting record shows he has voted on party lines 97% of the time. People like Hillary Clinton, Joe Biden and Ted Kennedy know and agree that McCain has worked with them, despite being a Republican, to get things done. That probably isn't going to get him elected in a year when the mood is anti-Republican and the Democrats have a charismatic candidate, but it is certainly an important aspect of the type of politician McCain is. Lieberman, who 8 short years ago was the Democratic VP pick, is not a traitor. He is a principled man, who stands by those he believes in even when it isn't popular to do so. He WILL pay a political price for it in terms of his relationship with his own party, and will likely lose his position as Chair of the Senate Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs as a result. His speech might not win him any popularity from those prone to knee-jerk reactions, but it was one of the bravest things I've seen in a while. You don't often see politicians at his level willing to stand for what they believe when it comes at such a political cost.

Gothamist_Cynic

Wed, 03 Sep 2008 09:13:40 -0500

The RNC was a total snoozer so far but you got to admit the republicans had more "buzz" the first few days so far. I thought it was hilarious when Lieberman asked republicans to clap for Clinton.

Jerky

Wed, 03 Sep 2008 09:00:50 -0500

>You must be one of those "compassionate' and "tolerant" liberals If I was compassionate and tolerant, I'd let Bristol join in the gangbang.

fugothamist

Wed, 03 Sep 2008 08:53:46 -0500

this is gonna be a landslide...last nights insurance conference, i mean convention was pathetic...see all those empty seats? there are simply more Democratic voters this time. Much more. And the polls aren't catching this

NannyState

Wed, 03 Sep 2008 08:44:42 -0500

The Democrats ran a thoroughly inexperienced activist against Lieberman and he barely survived. Next time, it will be a much more serious candidate. He's fucking toast.

ides_of_march

Wed, 03 Sep 2008 08:25:00 -0500

The democrats ran someone else for his senate seat so Lieberman ran as an independent and still won. Haha! Lieberman doesn't owe the democrats a damn thing except a kick in the shins like he gave them last night.

ides_of_march

Wed, 03 Sep 2008 08:21:15 -0500

"...how hypocritical of you to talk about bipartisanship." I'm no hypocrite. When have you ever heard me extoll the virtues of bi-partisanship? All it means is that both parties are screwing you instead of just one. I prefer the parties to be adverserial, it's better for democracy. In Lieberman's case, he took a principled stand on one issue and got booted out of the party. He's probably the only democrat not on the George Soros payroll.

ides_of_march

Wed, 03 Sep 2008 08:13:36 -0500

"Maybe I can slip some to Palin, so me and John Edwards can gangbang her and knock her up with another retard baby." You must be one of those "compassionate' and "tolerant" liberals I keep hearing so much about. Sadly, with your dementia and hatred towards conservatives, you could probably get a job with the liberal media quite easily.

Jerky

Wed, 03 Sep 2008 08:04:07 -0500

I want some of that acid that the Lieberman has been dosing himself with. Maybe I can slip some to Palin, so me and John Edwards can gangbang her and knock her up with another retard baby.

TK

Wed, 03 Sep 2008 07:57:39 -0500

Let's not forget Lieberman, like most politicians, is an opportunist.

Dirk

Wed, 03 Sep 2008 07:50:11 -0500

Joe Lieberman talks like Orville Redenbacher. I thought he was going to sell me super buttery popcorn. Haha, that's so spot on, BabyHitler...

fakenewyorker

Wed, 03 Sep 2008 07:11:33 -0500

well, you've made it perfectly clear how you feel about the left: 'stalinist,' 'moonbats'. how hypocritical of you to talk about bipartisanship. this isn't an issue of bipartisanship, even republicans have reported how much more willing the democrat led houses of congress have been about reaching across party lines. joe lieberman is zell miller all over again, a moonbat who's realized it's much more loony on the other side.

Pull My Finger

Wed, 03 Sep 2008 07:06:35 -0500

I love it when the lefties get their panties all twisted into a knot.

ides_of_march

Wed, 03 Sep 2008 06:06:43 -0500

Bi-partisanship is only considered good, noble or desirable when it's the republicans accomodating democrats, never the othe way around. When democrats reach across the aisle, the screeching leftist moonbats go beserk.

ides_of_march

Wed, 03 Sep 2008 05:18:10 -0500

For all you partisan democrats bashing Lieberman, what ever happened to the "dissent is patriotism" cliche I keep hearing? Apparently, not when the dissent is aimed at your own Stalinist orthodoxy.

Future Taliban

Wed, 03 Sep 2008 03:50:23 -0500

Lieberman would make a pact with Satan himself if that helped to keep a blackman out of the Whitehouse. Oh wait, that's exactly what he did already.

breaknight

Wed, 03 Sep 2008 03:26:57 -0500

P.S. Lieberman's agenda is so clear and obvious, he needs to cut the B.S. and just move to Israel already. Every political move he's made since 9/11 has been w/Israel in mind, so why not just make it official. It is b/c of people like Lieberman , who settle into vicious Jewish stereotypes like they were a comfortable old recliner, that the majority of Jews have to put up with stupid conspiracy theories and accusations that we care more about Israel than the U.S.

breaknight

Wed, 03 Sep 2008 03:22:29 -0500

Lieberman is a disgrace. He's sold his party out just b/c of his maniacal hatred for and obsessive fear of Arabs and Persians. The only reason he's with the Republicans now is b/c he knows republicans love to kill Arabs and can't wait to start killing Persians. And Lieberman never met a dead Arab or dead Persian he didn't love.

Toby von Meistersinger

Wed, 03 Sep 2008 03:01:50 -0500

These conventions haven't been relevant for thirty years. It is just Kabuki theatre and a chance for the members of the media to party and the delegates to get wined, dined and swagged by various pressure groups. Just stick everything on C-SPAN, send one reporter per news outlet, in case something actually happens like an errant Russian piece of space junk crashes into the arena or something equally unlikely.

Roxanne

Wed, 03 Sep 2008 01:57:15 -0500

Lieberman,Doofy Dog wants his face back.

Roxanne

Wed, 03 Sep 2008 01:53:35 -0500

Joe Lieberman is a traitor to the United States, he does not care about its' national security. The non winning war has only weaken the U.S. military and its standing globally. Joe Lieberman's main interest is wiping the Arabs of the face of the earth. This man lost the primary of Connecticut as a democrat and reran as an independent. No respect for the constitution and for the american people. TRAITOR Lieberman

NannyState

Wed, 03 Sep 2008 01:26:48 -0500

Joe Lieberman called himself a "Democrat" again. He needs to stay away from lightning storms.

JacqueMehoff

Wed, 03 Sep 2008 01:20:05 -0500

did you catch keith olbermann correct that representative from NM heather wilson with her obama kills babies remark? it was all thank you for your service at the hanoi hilton then on to the abortion and killing babies and half life still life crap.

nycat

Wed, 03 Sep 2008 00:58:39 -0500

"God only made one John McCain." I for one thank the almighty that there aren't more mini-McCains roaming this earth. But then again, I can't be too sure now, can I?

babyhitler

Wed, 03 Sep 2008 00:58:24 -0500

Man, this was even more boring than the first night of the DNC. It looked like Bingo Night at the senior center rec lounge. So many oldies. It was wall to wall white people, old white people and older white people. At least the DNC had some color and youth. Joe Lieberman talks like Orville Redenbacher. I thought he was going to sell me super buttery popcorn. I was on the fence about voting but after the spectacular Denzel speech Obama gave and how goddamn boring the RNC speakers are and McCain picking a elisabeth hasslebeck clone there can only be one choice. Shaft.