March Protesting Russia-Georgia Conflict Planned for 3 p.m.

The U.S. spent months laying out the case for pre-emptive war in Iraq. The russians spent two seconds to decide to invade Georgia. That's the difference between a democracy and a totalitarian state. Both outcomes sucked, by the way. ( at least we learned that lesson )

"I don’t see any prospect for the use of military force by the United States in this situation."

Of course not. Russia is not a weak, defenseless nation and can actually FIGHT BACK as opposed to the 'situations' we normally deal with. Besides, we're FLAT BROKE.

Now Lichtenstein.. THAT'S a good prospect for the use of military force by the United States.

"I wonder if people like Future Taliban think we should STFU in Sudan too? Disgusting attitude IMO."

Wonder no more and STFU, you probably don't even know where Sudan is.

It's funny how people today keep screaming that we need to get out of Iraq RTFN, yet forget about how much time, effort, and money were spent in Germany and Japan after the war was over.

And look where they are today.

I wonder if people like Future Taliban think we should STFU in Sudan too? Disgusting attitude IMO.

Good question,#14. Why are we talking about this? Maybe because in the not-so-distant past, we had 20,000 nuclear warheads aimed at each other. The possibility of a serious confrontation between the U.S. and Russia has just been hugely ramped up. If we do the nuclear tango, no one will give a shit about Georgia or whether it even exists. The stakes are too high to embue either side with any kind of morality or moral superiority. When it is your survival at stake, you either prevail or die. Putin did an excellent job of bringing us to this point. Georgia gets the assist, and the U.S. is always there, stepping in muckholes.

One would think that what with the illegal invasion of Iraq, the torturing, the clandestine jails, the denial of legal rights for war prisoners, the sexual abuse and murder of innocent woman & children by US forces, Americans would STFU regarding what the Russians are doing in Georgia.

Talk about the kettle calling the pot black.

What "stark differences?"

There are far too many to list here. But since you are so focused on (blinded by?) Iraq... Pointing to UN Security Council's unanimously adopted Resolution 1441 (among others) really is enough. So what was the UN's position when Russia approached the Security Council before using force in Georgia again???

#12:

Last I heard Georgia has withdrawn only 1000 of those 2000 troops. Still... you get my point.

I am not defending Russia.

I am just saying, Georgia is no better and neither is US. They just happen to have less military leverage in this situation.

The point is: just because you can win a fight, doesn't make you right. And, if we are not taking about what's right and what's wrong, why bother talking at all?

#10:

What "stark differences"?

How many innocent people has US killed in Iraq?

I'd say starkly more than the Russians have killed in Georgia.

Also, Georgia is at least bordering Russia's unstable provinces, and has killed the Russian peacekeepers into their own unstable provinces (which they invited in 16 years ago). What fuckin' bases did we have to invade Iraq? Oh yeah... WMD and Al-Qaida links... ha, ha, ha :)))

Stark differences. Damn right!

US has no credibilty to criticize anyone's foreign policy!

ixvnyc, The Georgians have left Iraq. You didn't notice? 2,000 Georgia troops that were in Iraq were repatriated back home to defend a country of 4.6 million from the Russian Federation. And putting this incursion in the context of morality is the epitome of naivete. A sovereign nation was invaded because Russia is taking a direct stance of opposition to the U.S. We have no meaningful presence in Georgia but all the commentators in Russia are talking about is the U.S. Why is that? Why are we the intended target of this "message"? This is a half-assed attempt at a global powerplay. And in the world of power relations, there is no 'right' and 'wrong', there's just winners and losers. And I assure you, the U. S. will just win again. Sorry, but go back to your BBC programme.

What I don't understand is why Georgia is unwilling to part with these two territories that offer no taxes and don't want anything to do with Georgia (over 90% support for merger with Russia). It seems to me that the Georgians are fighting to hold onto some old arbitrary lines that were drawn hundreds of years ago and would really like to draw the United States into a shooting war (handing over control of airports and seaports to the U.S. without us wanting them? now that's sad).

#5: If not the USA, who in your view does have the "moral authority?"

Wait-If you can't see the stark differences, I really don't think your capable presenting a "logical," and "valid" argument.

#8:

Going overseas to preach to others is what Bush does. What we need to do is get our own affairs in order. That's the point of those marches in US.

Where's the peace marches? Will Code Pink be heading to Moscow?

#6:

It's not called bitching and moaning. It's called presenting logical, valid and well meaning arguments which are supposed to persuade people who have brains and good faith to vote for those who will get us out of Iraq.

That's how it's done, and that's execatly what will happen.

#4- So it makes sense to just bitch and moan--behind the safety of the internets--about how illegal our police action in Iraq is?

Or are you going to ride your bike and toss pipebombs at the Times Square recruiting center.

#3:

Yes. Russian action is illegal.

The problem is, neither US nor Georgia have the moral authority to point that out.

That's what the problem is.

#2:

Soooo... you are saying: if I am against us being in Iraq, I should go to Iraq?

Sorry, but that makes absolutely no fucking sense.

I'd think those who view the coalition forces' actions in Iraq as an "illegal war/occupatio/invasion," even after years of UN resolutions, would definitely view Russia's invasion/occupation as illegal!

You know, if you care so much about Iraq, you could always, y'know, go there and help the people. If you really think they're worse off than before.

Since you like to make a point about the illegal invasion of Iraq (as opposed to a legal "invasion"?) in almost every comment you leave.

I feel sorry for all the people that suffered in this conflict, but to the Georgians I have this to say:

How about a march to withdraw the Georgian soldiers from the illegal invasion and occupation of Iraq?

Seems like Georgia is so into invasions that even when it came to defending it's own country from one, they withdrew only half of their soldiers from the invasion of Iraq they are participating in.

And what's with appealing to US and Bush? Since when is George Bush the beacon of protection of the international laws and due processes through UN?