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No Solutions at the Brooklyn Flea Meeting

bkflea0807.jpgLast night the community board meeting concerning The Brooklyn Flea was held, and The Brooklyn Paper reports back that opponents and organizers alike "met in a heated, ethnically charged summit that ended without any solutions to the chasm that separates the sides." Essentially, local churches want the Flea gone, or at least no longer coinciding with services on Sunday (but really they just want it gone); many believe that the long-time residents are leaving no middle ground for compromise and are merely resisting any inevitable change.

Racked was also in attendance, despite the sign on the door that asked no press enter (!), and has some quotes from the night. One opponent stated that the weekly event is "abjectly disrespectful to the Christian sabbath," and "You better not believe this would happen with Hasidic Jews." Meanwhile, State Senator Velmanette Montgomery garnered some applause when she declared: "I fought against the stadium here. This is different. What is suffering in this city and state right now is small business. I'd rather support small businesses than Ratner."

As for the man in charge, Jonathan Butler, he noted that "last night's community meeting was conceived as a listening session for neighborhood concerns but word leaked out and a number of supporters showed up and it ended up feeling more like a referendum on the market. Senator Velmanette Montgomery, Councilmember James and Borough Prez Marty Markowitz by proxy all stepped up to the plate on behalf of the Flea; the suggestions ranged from the incremental and addressable to the not-so-reasonable and deal-breaking. The two themes we (and others) kept coming back to were community-building and the importance of nurturing small businesses."

Photo via Luzer's Flickr.

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  • tamar_e4

    Rfive - i agree with you, but i think this is more about parking than raligious practice...

  • Rfive

    Obviously you've never been there tamar. There are vendors OUTSIDE of the schoolyard too, and the street/sidewalk IS crowded. Parking is also impossible.

    The NY marathon is one day a year. Hardly comparable.

    Why not hold it on a Saturday? Why is that not an option in a non-semitic community? If this were boro park, crown heights or williamsburg, they would never consider holding it on the sabbath of the community.

  • tamar_e4

    Reminder: before this flea market there was a weekend flea market that usually took place just outside of this schoolyard, on the public sidewalk, which displayed flea-market items on sale mostly by tenants of the clinton walk coop and other stray individuals. It took place on Saturdays because, let's face it - they all go to church on Sunday!

    Brooklynflea is organized, and contained within the boundaries of the school yard. It is no different than any other event that takes place on private property, and for which the owner is being compensated.

    The church never oposes the NY marathon when it comes down Lafayette avenue - on the contrary; the choir does a wonderful job in keeping everyone's spirits up. Maybe if they took similar action here they would deliver the true message of the church, which welcomes everyone, instead of shooting down humble artists who favor giving up their sunday to make a buck during a recession rather than praying for salvation from others...

  • thefacts

    teany:

    Silver emailed it to the hundreds of people on his list, Jewish and Christian.

    Are you so prejudiced, naive or dopey that you think politicians ask whether their supporters go to Church or Synagogue on a regular basis?

    No, it is a double-standard.

    As the Church Lady said, "this flea market would never occur across the street from a synagogue on a Saturday."

    Silver proved her right.

    He expects Christian Sabbath to be violated, but not his Saturday Sabbath.

    While anti-Semitism is decried, liberals still practice Catholic-bashing with pride.



  • bornbrednewyorker

    Communities need flea markets? That's a new one on me.

  • teany

    #10: How is this e-mail a valid comparison? Maybe Silver's volunteers are Jewish, or at least non-church-going Christians. He's not forcing them to work when they don't want to (um, they're volunteers), just like the organizers of the Brooklyn Flea aren't forcing church-going Christians in Fort Greene to shop.

    How is it disrespectful to have an event in a community where there happen to be people going to church? If that was the case, the whole country should go back to having blue laws. This is such a straw-man argument, it's not even funny.

  • thefacts

    I agree Anna, #8.

    This email came from ultra-orthodox NYS Assembly speaker Sheldon Silver's Campaing HQ:

    "Just a quick reminder about Silver Sunday. This Sunday, July 27th at 11:30 a.m. volunteers from throughout Lower Manhattan will come together to show our support for Shelly."

    Shelly is so obervant that he won't ride an elevator on Saturday, everything he eats is Glaat Kosher, etc, but he sees no problem with asking Christians to work on their Sabbath!

    Point is that the Church Lady was right; there is a double standard. This flea market would never occur on a Saturday in South Williamsburg, Crown Hgts, or Borough Park.



  • kaci

    PROPERTY VALUES?!?

    when live in a building with no intention to move or sell cause it is your home. higher property values means higher taxes. not such a good thing for many. like some one sed its not all about money.

    i do like a flea market tho...and miss them in my community.

  • Anna_Merkin

    Nearly every predominantly black neighborhood in the U.S. filled with middle and lower-middle class residents has had a "Christian" culture mainly marked by the density of churches and the typical crowds of families on Sundays going to attend those churches. One need took no farther than Lafayette in Ft. Greene/Clinton Hill to see a stream of families and in many cases, decked out older women replete with their "church hats" walking to or driving to the local place of worship, followed by dinner afterward - either at a matriarch's home or in a local restaurant catering to the soul food proclivities of said community. While the 1980's and early 90's crack "epidemic" did much to dilute these traditions in some of the poorer predominantly black communities, the "culture" still exists. Newcomers ought to pay a little more attention to the patterns of those around them. They might learn a little bit about community.

  • JacqueMehoff

    that's an excellent point Rfive.

    why does a community need a flea market? it's like a light bulb goes off and someone says, hey this community needs a flea market.

  • woodendesigner

    I know many people that live within a few blocks of this market and it is something that this neighborhood desperately needs. It is not a mainly religious neighborhood and it is very densely populated. If you want a "religious community" then you should get out of the city and buy out a depressed town somewhere.

  • Billiamsburg

    Zuh? Since when has Brooklyn and New York been a "Christian community"? Keeping the Sabbath holy is hardly a community institution here.

  • Rfive

    Everybody is not interested in property values raising, some communities value other things, such as religion. This is an example of a newcomer to a neighborhood that wants to promote change which clashes with a community institution.

  • woodendesigner

    Or keep property values high.....

  • JacqueMehoff

    what property values? redlining.

    thankfully there's no redlining in Pb. sure we may have to go elsewhere but it's available.

  • woodendesigner

    Maybe some of the people that oppose this market should think about how things like this make their property values go up. They should also keep in mind that just because they want to devote their day to their religion does not mean that everyone else needs to. It's not like the market is being held INSIDE their church.

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