Gothamist: Pinkberry Mandarin Citrus Juicer Sparks Outrage

namja

Fri, 25 Jul 2008 07:22:55 -0500

Just a few points: 1. Kudos to Park and Lee. They're being Americans. They saw something they didn't like, so they're doing something about it. 2. Jews, Blacks, and Spanish people complain, whine -whatever you want to call it- all the time. And they get results. 3. The juicer is a caricature of a Chinaman. Some Chinaman should be doing what Park and Lee (both Koreans) are doing. But the Chinese is weak. Am I being racist? Maybe. My brother's wife is Chinese. So that absolves me, right?

MisterTissue

Thu, 24 Jul 2008 14:23:51 -0500

This isn't a guy who built the railroads here, Walter.

John Del Signore

Thu, 24 Jul 2008 13:43:58 -0500

I don't see any connection to Vietnam.

GOP

Thu, 24 Jul 2008 11:46:30 -0500

I'm going to make a big nose, big lip, dark face shaker used exclusively for ghetto passion (1/2 Alize, 1/2 Hennessy, twist of watermelon) and see if the blacks are "hypersensitive." (Not to pick on blacks; just to make a point to SP.)

fakenewyorker

Thu, 24 Jul 2008 11:16:33 -0500

You need an education SP. You're bringing in all sorts of stupid shit about the hats and the racism of other races. You need to get over yourself. Whatever the fuck that means. The kids didn't like it, they don't want it sold, stop bitching and moaning, go write a letter to Pinkberry or buy some of those Chinaman juicers. Personally I couldn't give two shits. But I hate whiners of any stripe.

Chosun

Thu, 24 Jul 2008 11:08:04 -0500

Oh, and it's funny you should mention "gook" being a derogatory term for Koreans. I remember debating it with some guy who insisted that it was a racist term for the Vietnamese. I had to correct him that the term "gook" came from the Korean word "han-gook", which means "Korean". Literally, it means "one nation", so to call someone a "gook" is essentially calling him/her "nation". The American soldiers used the term "gooks" for VC (initially) as a leftover from the Korean War...because apparently ALL Asians look alike, and they must be the same people...even though it's in a totally different country. Anyway, that's my understanding of it. Take notes, people...there will be a test at the end of the day.

Chosun

Thu, 24 Jul 2008 11:02:08 -0500

The point is that most people (myself included, sometimes) can't tell different East Asians apart very easily, and some Asians get offended (which I always thought was really stupid). I've been confused for Chinese, Japanese, Hawaiian, and even Mexican and Guatemalan. I've also confused Japanese people for Korean, Chinese for Japanese, Chilean for European, and even German for Swedish. No offense was meant, and none was taken (I hope). What was my point? Oh yeah, I'd buy one of these juicers for my house. My cellphone has the Asian picture used in Harold and Kumar, and it cracks me up whenever I see it.

JacqueMehoff

Thu, 24 Jul 2008 10:50:45 -0500

so Gook IS Korean? just kidding, I knew that. some people misuse these Asian terms. Why would Korea have ties to China unless it's the DPRK. and eating dog. China didn't try to kill you guys, it's the Japs.

Chosun

Thu, 24 Jul 2008 10:40:12 -0500

Personally, I can understand their point in raising a stink over these juicers. I grew up in an all-white area in NJ and can't begin to tell you the amount of racism I faced there, but it was directed towards me in a negative light. In NYC, it's not as predominant and/or I don't see it nearly as much. On the other hand, I think individuals need to stop taking themselves so seriously. We have a lot of bad stereotypes about our people, but we also have a lot of great stereotypes as well. It's the context in which these stereotypes present themselves that determind if they are racist or not. For instance, if JacqueMehoff were to start talking to me about his time in China, I wouldn't get offended...however, I would let him know that I'm Korean and have no ties to China. No offense meant, and no offense taken. If, on the other hand, he continued to call me a gook after finding out I'm Korean, I'd break his legs. See how racism works? I have many friends who are Black, White, Asian, Latin, etc, and they may live up to stereotypes of their respective countries. We can point them out and laugh together because it's not meant in a derogatory tone. Stereotypes (generally) are there for a reason--Racism is the using of stereotypes to denigrate people. I've trained in Tae Kwon Do most of my life, and it cracks me up that I live up to the typical stereotype of "all Asians know martial arts"...and I do love me some kimchi, too. On the other hand, if someone were to call me a chopsocky, kimchi eating bastard, I would get pretty pissed.

SP

Thu, 24 Jul 2008 10:38:17 -0500

Please explain exactly how it's offensive. How is this "racist?" What about this design belittles Asian people or somehow suggests that Asians are racially inferior? Is it the conical hat? What's wrong with conical hats? They have been used for thousands of years, are made from natural recyclable renewable materials (grasses, bamboo, paper, wood,) are light and provide good shade and protection from rain. And they look stylish. Is it the slanted eyes? Asians depict themselves this way, in their own art and comics. So is it because a European depicted the eyes this way? Are you saying that Europeans cannot caricature others? They should only caricature themselves? Now THAT is racist and stupid. Again, get over yourselves.

Kojak

Thu, 24 Jul 2008 09:36:38 -0500

Its slightly offensive, but give me a break. Talk about a fat waste of time to petition for its removal. These are Asians making fun of themselves. If you can't joke about your own race, then your too much of a tightass.

JacqueMehoff

Thu, 24 Jul 2008 00:46:39 -0500

I like the Jew big nose shoe stretcher idea from a poster at the racked site along with the big lips veggie peeler. I wonder if they're real products? it's funny though.

JenChungsBra

Thu, 24 Jul 2008 00:39:50 -0500

Big deal, I have the Jewish version. It's an old guy with a yamulke who's looking straight up at the sky. You spin the orange on his nose to get the juice out. My grandmother gave it to me along with a bar mitzvah card in Yiddish that I've yet to figure out. But I'm sure it's funny.

NannyState

Wed, 23 Jul 2008 23:54:50 -0500

#52, all I know is that the "Frito Bandito" sold a lot of Fritos, particularly to me. I always wondered why they pulled that character promotion. I remember it like it was yesterday: it was 1974 and I was mid-bag when they dropped those ads. I never finished that bag and have rarely eaten them since.

nik13

Wed, 23 Jul 2008 23:42:03 -0500

Just like Frido Bandito, PC killed Speedy Gonzalez too. Fastest Mouse in Mexico is deemed "offensive" to Mexican-Americans, whatever & will never again be seen on American tv. Never mind Speedy outran & outsmarted everyone & is a hero down the border. It's "what' wussy white people think, that is offensive. If only that Korean lawyer/law student combo figured out how to have sex, Pinkberry would have nothing to worry about.

dm10003

Wed, 23 Jul 2008 23:02:04 -0500

to fakenewyorker re: fantasia image... holy crap!!!!!!!

JacqueMehoff

Wed, 23 Jul 2008 22:47:53 -0500

Americans don't know anything about Ecuadorians, they can't spell it nor show where it is on a map. they'll just lump you in with the W*tbacks with anchor babies.

cucarachita

Wed, 23 Jul 2008 22:37:04 -0500

(I just realized, however, that not all Hispanics are alike -- so maybe the Frito Bandito made fun of Mexicans and not Ecuadorians? Which would mean my Ecuadorian family was laughing about a Mexican stereotype -- which was not nice of us, so we apologize for that! -- and not a "hispanic" stereotype encompassing all hispanics. Hey! That also means Park and Lee are grouping all Hispanics into one little bandito! Shame on them!) What do they have to say for themselves now? PS - my mexican friend Milly liked the Frito Bandito just as much, though.

SP

Wed, 23 Jul 2008 22:33:48 -0500

How exactly does pointing out cultural hypocrisy make me a racist, you fucking moron?

cucarachita

Wed, 23 Jul 2008 22:30:34 -0500

My Ecuadorian mother and grandmother, and all my Ecuadorian relatives LOVED the Frito Bandito! He made us laugh, and we all used to do imitations of him and giggle away. I always wondered what ever happened to him! So, political correctness killed the Frito Bandito? All we have to say to that is: ¡Caramba! That said, I was at Pinkberry on 71st street the other day and wondered how long those citrus squeezing fellas would last.

JacqueMehoff

Wed, 23 Jul 2008 22:21:08 -0500

fantasia? you mean a film made by walt disney, the walt disney, who's a bigot, anti semite and white supremest? made during the time BEFORE the civil rights movement? and it sucked. the only part people remember was mickey mouse and the brooms.

fakenewyorker

Wed, 23 Jul 2008 22:06:34 -0500

I think it's a bit racist to bring up the racism of the home countries of the complainants. Are all Chinese accountable for the backwards opinions of people in China? No, just like all white people are not racists because some white people are racist. You people bitching about people bitching about racism need to get a grip, maybe you should ask yourself why you're so offended by their being offended. Also, this clearly isn't a race issue but a lawyer issue. @dm10003: Do you remember this image from Fantasia? http://www.triptronix.net/ishbadiddle/images/sunflower1.jpg Suckas.

dm10003

Wed, 23 Jul 2008 21:42:19 -0500

SP is right about other cultures often being no enlightened liberals. and it's not bigotry to point it out, it's for a better world. notice how GOP needed to make it an racist anti-white issue. i think the main issue about this product design is the eye shape. are these two guys gonna take on disney for the mushrooms in fantasia? for all we know that eye design might have been originated by one asian culture to mock a rival asian culture a thousand years ago. humans are very sensitive to facial features in drawings of faces (mullah: "that's not my nose"). overreaction and underreaction in relation to the moving target of social balance will never end, we can only hope that the battles stay within reason in terms of money, power, and violence.

Jerky

Wed, 23 Jul 2008 21:40:27 -0500

Yeah, and anyone who knows some old-school Koreans knows that they are NEVER racist. Except against the Chinese, Japanese, etc... Geez, these two need to grow a spine!

NannyState

Wed, 23 Jul 2008 21:39:20 -0500

They are terrifying and guaranteed, I will have nightmares about these juicers coming at me. Thanks, Gothamist.

Rocknrope

Wed, 23 Jul 2008 21:31:21 -0500

SP, I think GOP's point is you're a white asshole using "your korean buddy" to justify your own prejudices. But that's just my interpretation.

SP

Wed, 23 Jul 2008 20:34:48 -0500

Yup. Do you have a point?

pissyrabbit

Wed, 23 Jul 2008 20:10:04 -0500

I'm offended by Alessi's poor design. People shoudln't buy the stuff because they are sucky industrial designers. I have salt and pepper shakers from them and the S&P *falls out* when put on their holders.

JacqueMehoff

Wed, 23 Jul 2008 20:04:28 -0500

didn't the japs try to exterminate the gooks? japs or nips=japanese gooks=koreans I'm sure you guys have more terms for them, some can even mix and match. such a wonderful dynamic language we have.

GOP

Wed, 23 Jul 2008 20:01:40 -0500

SP must be white.

SP

Wed, 23 Jul 2008 19:53:33 -0500

Seriously. Asian cultures, whether Chinese, Japanese, Korean, etc, are some of the most racist and xenophobic in the world. And not just towards non-Asians, even amongst themselves. My Korean buddy told me that the word for Chinese people in Korean translates to English as "dirt people." So please, all you whiners, STFU.

dancingruru

Wed, 23 Jul 2008 19:32:55 -0500

hahaha I've seen fake versions of these juicers at the Xujiahui subway station in Shanghai.

woodendesigner

Wed, 23 Jul 2008 19:26:52 -0500

People need to start getting over their themselves. If you don't like it then don't buy it. I might have to go buy one now.

babyhitler

Wed, 23 Jul 2008 19:12:32 -0500

Like I told you guys before. Asians are like the Robear-berbils on Thundercats. The mutants are always picking on them and the caucasian thundercats have to save their asses all the time.

emilydickinson

Wed, 23 Jul 2008 19:10:27 -0500

This is completely absurd. Alessi is a company that is known for letting artists go crazy and create products that are little pieces of art that they can have in their homes. It may be mass produced, but it's art, and this is far from racist. Everyone needs to leave the crusade at the door and take it down a notch.

JacqueMehoff

Wed, 23 Jul 2008 18:54:08 -0500

Can't wash yellow.

Gothamist_Cynic

Wed, 23 Jul 2008 18:43:55 -0500

gotta love white washed asians who want to appeal to the ignorant american masses.

GOP

Wed, 23 Jul 2008 18:23:30 -0500

lol, babyH. My black friend hates blacks. So I guess it's okay to hate blacks.

moocow

Wed, 23 Jul 2008 18:22:07 -0500

there has never been any great outrage against racism directed towards asians. it's always been allowed in one form or another, and we've always been expected to take it no matter the degree of offensiveness. the moment anyone speaks up for asians, they're accused of being oversensitive and p.c.

fakenewyorker

Wed, 23 Jul 2008 18:09:38 -0500

sinisterteashop: zing! I give you a gold star.

babyhitler

Wed, 23 Jul 2008 18:09:10 -0500

I have an asian friend who says this is okay so it's alright. I also have a black friend who says it's okay for me to call him "N*gger" so that's also alright. see how that logic makes sense?

babyhitler

Wed, 23 Jul 2008 18:09:10 -0500

I have an asian friend who says this is okay so it's alright. I also have a black friend who says it's okay for me to call him "N*gger" so that's also alright. see how that logic makes sense?

GOP

Wed, 23 Jul 2008 18:07:40 -0500

The difficult part is drawing a line at the proper point. It is better to err on the side of caution and get these things off the market before the line is drawn at, say, a Panda ad with a Panda speaking english in a chinese accent. The proper way to view this is to replace the juicer image with a black face and a big nose and big lips and determine whether that's offensive. (I find this change of circumstance to be offensive, and I'm not even black!)

djwerdna

Wed, 23 Jul 2008 18:03:38 -0500

that's what some of us used to look like

ZeroK

Wed, 23 Jul 2008 17:55:36 -0500

@interlard "There's only so much constant oppression a person can take." Constant oppression? Seriously? Did Big Whitey commission a brand new cross-continental railroad all of a sudden? There's definitely racism directed at Asians, but let's not go nuts. The kind of nuts where a juicer intended to be a sweet and cute design counts as a racist attack proliferating the constant subjugation of an entire race. No one here is saying racism is okay. All I'm saying is that sometimes, people need to roll with a punch. You can't spend your entire life outraged at silliness.

cricketnyc

Wed, 23 Jul 2008 17:52:29 -0500

Chai Park and Jin Hee Lee, a law student and a lawyer, were stuck on line at a Manhattan Pinkberry the other day Actually, it was over a year ago that they started their campaign. Good sleuthing skills.

Cacheton

Wed, 23 Jul 2008 17:51:14 -0500

@ interlard You make a good point that I certainly respect but... Liam and me, we're gonna fuck you up.

sinisterteashop

Wed, 23 Jul 2008 17:48:17 -0500

It's the new United Colors of Alessi campaign. Italian designers can be playful with race stereotypes because Italy is such a multicultural paradise. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/the-picture-that-shames-italy-873743.html

edEx

Wed, 23 Jul 2008 17:48:11 -0500

people are too sensitive >)

moocow

Wed, 23 Jul 2008 17:44:55 -0500

i forgot it's okay to make fun of asians. all those times i cried and felt empty inside was because i was thin-skinned. please tell someone who has had to TOLERATE racism and all its trappings and dressings, that they should just get over it. those stupid things are cute, and rather impractical-looking as far as juicers go, but that's not park and lee's point.

mocanlagunas

Wed, 23 Jul 2008 17:41:38 -0500

I'm offended by the stupidity of these 2 jerks ... in fact I'm going to the Alessi store to buy one. And I'm chinese...

handsomedevil

Wed, 23 Jul 2008 17:37:38 -0500

OK, fine, found it

ZeroK

Wed, 23 Jul 2008 17:35:58 -0500

Ugh, dammit no. NO! FIGHT THEM! Tell these special interest groups that claim to speak for the population that "having your easily bruised feelings coddled and protected like a precious new baby" is not a right. Grow up and laugh something off every once in a while. It's good for you. I swear this country gets wussier by the hour.

handsomedevil

Wed, 23 Jul 2008 17:35:50 -0500

Huh, where's the Lebowski ref? Can't find it. I'm surprised we don't yet have one of those post that go "Hey assholes, you should care about [blah] and not this!"

TimSPC

Wed, 23 Jul 2008 17:28:26 -0500

Pinkberry peed on your rug?

mattvb

Wed, 23 Jul 2008 17:27:25 -0500

Dude, the Chinaman is *not* the issue here.

Pinkberry Rep

Wed, 23 Jul 2008 17:23:06 -0500

We at Pinkberry understand the concerns regarding the Alessi juicer and we appreciate that our valued customers have shared their concerns with us. We wanted to let you know that these items are being removed from our stores. They were part of an eclectic collection and we in no way ever intended to offend anyone by displaying them. Sincerely, A Pinkberry representative

BMMDan

Wed, 23 Jul 2008 17:13:09 -0500

JDS with an excellent The Big Lebowski reference...I find it funny they couldn't find an example for Jewish people so they just went with "anti-Semitic caricatures" we're turning into a country full of thin-skinned fags.

interlard

Wed, 23 Jul 2008 17:10:29 -0500

Offensive white dolls aren't offensive because white people are the majority and in power. Imagine you're a white person living in a non-white society. Imagine you are often discriminated against or called offensive names by complete strangers. *Then* you'd be offended by the white stereotype doll. There's only so much constant oppression a person can take.

Pharmer

Wed, 23 Jul 2008 17:02:54 -0500

I'm Chinese and I always wanted one of those peasant hats. I guess I'm supposed to feel bad about that?

SP

Wed, 23 Jul 2008 16:56:14 -0500

get over yourselves.

Dude69

Wed, 23 Jul 2008 16:54:52 -0500

They are cute, and I am Asian. What's offensive are Chinese villians such as Fu Manchu and the Mandarin. China conquer the world with cheap exports, not bombastic and elaborate evil plots.

cwbuecheler

Wed, 23 Jul 2008 16:53:30 -0500

I have two adopted Korean sisters who are very into their Asian heritage, and they would both find these things adorable. As a white guy I basically can't comment on things like this without being immediately dismissed (and probably rightfully so), but I feel like there has to be some line drawn, somewhere, between "this is offensive" and "this isn't worth being offended." I suppose the line is different for every person, but I can say that if some company created a "white stereotypes" set of juicers (perhaps a yokel in a nascar shirt, a guy in a cowboy hat shooting into the sky, and a pompous jackass driving a BMW?), I really wouldn't give a shit.

Jen Chung

Wed, 23 Jul 2008 16:52:45 -0500

I bought a "Mr. Chin" timer. Is that weird?

monkeymafia

Wed, 23 Jul 2008 16:51:54 -0500

In all fairness, Lee and Park were in my "Ethics 207: Questionably Racist Beverage Dispensers & Snack Food Cartoon Mascots" class last semester. Way to earn that extra credit guys!

Politburo

Wed, 23 Jul 2008 16:47:26 -0500

"They say “the ‘mandarin juicers’ are to Asians what Aunt Jemima is to African-Americans" Probably not a great choice for that example.. since Aunt Jemima brand is still sold (yeah there was that 'makeover' 15 years ago or so, but the character still exists).

The Edge

Wed, 23 Jul 2008 16:44:18 -0500

I don't know if this is as offensive as Downey Jr's role in Tropic Thunder... But if they were selling a Blackface juicer.. hoo boy.

DPR

Wed, 23 Jul 2008 16:42:12 -0500

The world is truly coming to an end.

robingee

Wed, 23 Jul 2008 16:39:39 -0500

Cute!