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According to the NY Post, an off-duty police detective who used his gun to stop a group of men--at least one of whom was armed--from beating another person was found to have a blood alcohol level over the legal limit.
Ever since the Sean Bell shooting, the NYPD has adopted new guidelines that require police officers to take Breathalyzer tests after using their firearms and hit someone. In this incident which took place in Queens, the detective had a 0.10 blood alcohol level, above the state limit of 0.08. Per the Post, he had "fired five times, hitting the suspect in the arm and leg," after Stephen Allston fired three times with a Tec-9 automatic handgun.
It's unclear whether the detective will lose his job. Some police sources tell the Post, "Years ago, if you didn't take action, the department would accuse you of cowardice. Now they encourage you not to take action," and "Anybody who carries their gun off duty is an absolute idiot." Yesterday, two off-duty corrections officers used their guns to thwart an attempted robbery and carjacking in separate incidents.
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.10 is hardly drunk, and I doubt the guy he was protecting cares.
Do people expect cops to live like mormons?
Non lethal shots to perp who was firing a fully auto weapon, after a warning, and only hitting the armed perp (out of 4 perps, plus the victim or any bystanders) ? This cop deserves a medal.
Now if he did something wrong, that would be one thing. But he did right. So that's the end of it. Good job. Let the criminals bring up a complaint to the review board. I'd like to see that.
There's no such thing as using your gun to fire "non-lethal" shots. Once you start firing, anything can happen. Police are only allowed to discharge their firearms (i.e. use lethal force) in life-or-death situations.
"Per the Post, he had "fired five times, hitting the suspect in the arm and leg," after Stephen Allston fired three times with a Tec-9 automatic handgun."
seems pretty life or death to me.
Tec-9's are so eighties.
get rid of that nickel plated sissy pistol,
and get yourself a Glock 18.
Just curious - are NYPD required to carry their weapons when off duty? I know that Baltimore PD have to carry their weapons all the time, even when off duty.
Regulations like this are alright, but zero tolerance enforcement makes my skin crawl... especially in a case like this where the cop did nothing wrong and possibly saved a life.
Great! Sounds like a talented cop and a good shot. Where's his parade?
are NYPD required to carry their weapons when off duty?
No. I think at one time they were, but not now.
that's what I thought, I've read somewhere that some new rookies don't carry off-duty. (and, some are pissed at them for that)
the dept. would accuse one of Cowardice, what the heck is that? I know many cops who moonlight and the last thing they want to do is get involved in any situation. Just not worth it.
I agree. Good job by the cop. Even though his blood alcohol level was above the the legal limit, he seemed to know what he was doing and (as another commenter mentioned) he possibly saved a life. I don't think this is anything for us to be worried about.
50 shots on an unarmed man, now that would be something to worry about.
@UnrepentantFenian
.10 hardly drunk?? see what happens if you get pulled over with a BAC of .10
JAIL
@ Sundial.
I know. It's ridiculous. At the .08 BAC you a re not drunk. You are almost approaching buzzed. Not to mention the fact that the human body is rather complicated and that not everyone reacts the same way to alcohol which makes the measurement of blood alcohol content inaccurate and the .08 an arbitrary number.
hey, we don't make the laws, we just enforce them.
take it up with the judge.
It's my understanding that NYPD cops are not required, but allowed, to be armed at all times. A .10 BAC sounds pretty reasonable--he wasn't stinko and he wasn't driving, he came upon a life-threatening situation and used his weapon to save another person. If I was being beaten by a mob, I'd want a cop with four beers in him after work to come to my rescue.
[4] Correct. One shouldn't draw and fire unless it's a lethal situation. If you don't want to kill a person, don't fire a pistol at them.
[9]There may be a nickel-plated Tec-9 (which is normally semi-auto, not an automatic) in existence, but I've never seen one or even seen one portrayed. The only thing nickel about that pistol is that it's a nickel-and-dime piece of sh*t.
It's already been shown twice within the past year that the NYPD is above the law. First, they emptied a few clips into an unarmed Sean Bell and then there was the off duty cop who killed someone in a fit of road rage because he wouldn't let him merge into traffic. Unless people are willing to stage a true revolt, this will continue to happen.