Gothamist: Outrage Over Serbian Student's Alleged Upstate Attack

savindan

Sat, 05 Jul 2008 08:49:06 -0500

How small-town of you indeed, westside...

west side Michael

Thu, 03 Jul 2008 23:48:32 -0500

All "small town people" must picket the Serbian Church of Saint Sava on 25th street off 5th avenue. It's sad for the victim and his family.

NannyState

Thu, 03 Jul 2008 18:33:40 -0500

Didn't you know? One guy cracks a pool cue over another guy's head or whatever, and suddenly entire nations are held to account. This was an ugly (see photo) personal mess, not a Clash of Civilizations. I hope Bryan is mending well.

savindan

Thu, 03 Jul 2008 05:05:51 -0500

Thefacts? What book lead you to believe that Serbia was, in 1914, part of the Austro-Hungarian empire? If you are allergic to books, use Wikipedia, gosh, you should change your nick to "the nonfactual hearsay based on misconceptual knowledge". Gavrilo Princip was born in Bosnia, under Austrian occupation at the time (since 1878), thus an Austrian subject. Duh! What about Saddam and this poor guy? Nothing to say on that just like anything else that is not pertaining to venting your hateful rage, right? Ethnic cleansing is close to genocide but not quite. It was a practice that occurred throughout the former Yugoslavia on all of the sides (but as historians later realized, throughout the world, including what happened in the Americas with the Natives). In fact, the wholesale expulsion of some 200-250K Serbs from the Krajina in Operation Storm in 1995, coordinated by MPRI, a Virginia-based firm ("military contractors"), was by far the best/worst example of it. There is no such thing as the European Court. The Serbian Ministry of Foreing Affairs is investigating the facts pertaining to the events. In the meantime, both the consul and vice-consul have been recalled which is the most severe of diplomatic disciplinary measures. Criminal charges in Serbia, for the vice-council, if it is found that he did indeed aid in Kovacevic's fleeing, are still a possibility. The sad part is that none of this has anything to do with poor Brian's fate, atonement, responsibility or the facts. You seem to have a grudge against a certain ethnic group that can only be resolved with professional help. Unfortunately, you are not ready for that step. Don't spew your hate here man, if not a shrink, at least get a girlfriend, that might reduce your overbearing levels of testosterone. Peace out dude

serbian

Wed, 02 Jul 2008 21:00:50 -0500

and i forgot to wrote. Serbia WAS NEVER part of a Austro-Hungarian Empire! It allways existed as Serbia and in some period Kraljevina Srba, Hrvata i Slovenaca (Kingdom of Serb, Croatia and Slovenia)

serbian

Wed, 02 Jul 2008 20:53:38 -0500

Ok thefacts, you clearly know something about our history and that's nice, but unfortunally it's not true. 1. Gavrilo Princip was member of "Mlada Bosna" (Youth Bosnia) which, is right, murder the archduke Franz Ferdinand. He did that becouse Austro-Hungarian occupy Bosnia which was serbian territory (like Kosovo now). 2. Quote: "Or describe the picnic at the Siege of Sarajevo and Srebvinice." Did you heard about Croatian action Oluja (Storm) when fled 200.000 Serbs from Croatia. Lora, Jasenovo, etc. it was a war and s**** are being done in both sides. Im sorry of all the peoples that was killed during that f***** war, no mether which nations they are. 3. Quote: "How about the treatment of the Kosovans, whose crime was being born in what some call "Serbia"?" When you talk about our history, which i'm very proud, please tell me something about Kosovski Boj (Battle of Kosovo) which happend in 1379. If you never heard about that, please read and educate yourself: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Kosovo Do you know what situation is now on Kosovo. The Serbs in north cant visit familly in south, they live in the rings which is keept by UN. We will never gave up our territory. Would you gave up Florida or New York? 4. Serbia NEVER prompted the rise of Hitler, we battle AGAINST him with Russia, France, England, USA, etc. If you talking about my country, what the hell you think about USA. Everywhere they go, its a war. Vietnam, Iraq, Avganistan, Bosnia, Korea, Serbia, etc and its all in 60 years. Also with excusses like "War against terror", "against iraq nuklear wepons", "battle against communism",... Knowing all of that, i hate USA besouse of they politics, but its not my judge of peoples. In this case, i'm strongly recommend that they find him and have a fair trail, also i'm, as a Serb, very sorry that guy which is in coma. In the end ask yourself one. Would it ever be posted in new york times, washington post if situation is inverse? Greetings from Serbia

thefacts

Wed, 02 Jul 2008 16:19:50 -0500

Of course, he was an Austrian citizen. Serbia was part of the Austro-Hungarian Empire! Duh! So, your premise is specious and everything that follows is not credible. Princip and his co-conspirators killed the Archduke as a blow for Serbian freedom. I called them nutty earlier because three men do not a national revolution make. They were terrorists, without a support network or popular front supporting them. You further obfuscate by bringing in Saddam and the victim of this Serb thug. Of course, Serbs did not patent Ethnic Cleansing. One cannot patent Genocide. But they did practice - you must admit - widespread Genocide with ALL their neighbors after the death of Tito. The world called their behavior Ethnic Cleansing. Hitler called it the Final Solution. The European Court called it Genocide. I'll let you call it what you want. I'm still waiting. Be the Serb apologist all you want, that is your right. But don't say you guys have no atonement to make. Admission of war crimes and genocide is the first step in gaining respect from the rest of the world, which is well aware of your atrocities, no matter how much you lot deny it. The Serb ambassador's particpation and government's collusion in this whole bar-brawl affair is indicative and repetitive of the way the Serbs have been behaving for the past hundred years with everyone who is not a Serb. Instead of telling me to go to a psychiatrist, perhaps the Serbs should go to a confessor.

savindan

Tue, 01 Jul 2008 21:32:11 -0500

Archduke Franz Ferdinand was killed by Gavrilo Princip, an Austrian citizen, i.e. killed by his own subject. Your point being what, that an entire nation participated in that just because Princip happened to be of Serb extraction? If you want a definition of a Nazi, that would be pretty close. In comparison, could we say that Saddam Hussein's WMD caused the Iraq civil war now raging? It takes more than an assassination to start a (world) war and mistaking the trigger (some might even say catalyst) for the cause is something an amateur would do, which you most certainly are not as I see you do indeed read books and feel insulted by my suggestion of Puzo-wisdom :) Had there been no WWI, World War II would have just been called WWI and something else would have taken WWII's place. Once again, refer back to the "bad blood". War is not caused by random events but by the perfect conjuncture of circumstances favorable to it. Just like the altercation in the bar, Steinhauer groped the girl, there was alcohol, bad lighting, jealousy, sexual hormones and the lot. Your erroneus reasoning would lead us to oversimplify the situation and conclude that Steinhauer, simply by groping the coochie-mama (I'm sorry but she caused an international shitstorm), caused the fight ergo got what he deserved - being beaten to a pulp. How unjust, wouldn't you say? Quite frankely, it seems you have an issue with the Serbs as a nation, you probably should settle that, I would suggest a shrink. Serbs did not patent ethnic cleansing, neither the name nor the practice, once again refer to history books. As far as the rest of your bigoted excuse for a post is concerned, just as much dirt can be dug up on any ethnic group in the world, including your own, whatever it might be. So lest you judge others, put a mirror to your own face, it seems insecurity is what drives most people to hate. And don't forget to have a nice day :)

thefacts

Tue, 01 Jul 2008 14:35:28 -0500

"Serbs did not start WWI " Who killed Franz Ferdinand, the Swiss? Perhaps blaming Serbs for WW2 is a stretch, but if they had left Franz Ferdinand alone, would there have been WW1? Not likely. And WW1 definitely led to WW2. And Mario Puzo is no Arnold Toynbee, so be careful what authority you quote. But you must admit that th eSerbs did give us a nice phrase: Ethnic Cleansing. Care to define that, O Wise One? Or describe the picnic at the Siege of Sarajevo and Srebvinice. How about the treatment of the Kosovans, whose crime was being born in what some call "Serbia"? Or a nation that harbors war criminal from justice for years on end. Or an ambassador that lies to US authorities about the extradition of a fugitive from US justice. Or the parents of the same thug who respond, (his father said), "We feel he is a victim of small-town values ganging up against a foreigner. He was targeted because he was Serb and a very large man." The Germans have been honorable enough to atone for their 'problem'. When will the Serbs?

savindan

Tue, 01 Jul 2008 13:53:24 -0500

So you admit to being a Nazi then? :) FYI Serbs did not start WWI but an intricate system of European Power's Alliances in conjunction with growing national interests apetites did. Whatsamatta witya? Never watch the Godfather? "The accumulation of bad blood causes wars between the families every so often which in turn is purged by wars". The classics contain inumerable sources of wisdom you kids so mistakenly search for on internet forums (since books are out, right?) And blaming Serbs for WWII is a stretch to say the least...

thefacts

Tue, 01 Jul 2008 10:17:56 -0500

"see i have this policy: i don't talk to the nazis." I got you talking to me, haven't I #35? Keep it up. I love toying with stupid people. Stupid people who talk tuff and then cry to a woman to help them out.

NannyState

Mon, 30 Jun 2008 20:40:06 -0500

Just looking at this guy, who knew he would erupt in a violent attack?

ixvnyc

Mon, 30 Jun 2008 19:46:32 -0500

thefacts, i don't give a shit about slobodan. he is a nazi, just like you, therefore he is your kind and you are his kind. you can all rot in hell, as you will, along with adolf. no passaran, motherfucker!

thefacts

Mon, 30 Jun 2008 17:45:38 -0500

Poor #33, cries to Mama when things don't go his way! Whassa matter? Slobodan ain't here to help you?

ixvnyc

Mon, 30 Jun 2008 16:47:11 -0500

jen, do you mind banning this racist nazi piece of shit 'thefacts'? thank you.

Spiritof76

Mon, 30 Jun 2008 13:50:41 -0500

Did you really mean and want to say, "Try to convict Kovacevic in absentia."? You could "of" said it clearer. And again all Snoopy does when he tries to be clever is show how incredibly stupid he is. Do you have any idea what it means to try somebody and then convict him? Obviously, you don't. So in the past few months, you've proven that you don't know anything about FDNY, science, grammar or the legal system, in addition to a welter of lesser topics. Do you know anything at all?

thefacts

Mon, 30 Jun 2008 13:45:02 -0500

#30 No skin off my nose. I am sure there are lots of Albanians or Croatian in NYC you can torture to death with their hands tied behind their back. Hell, you can even video it and put it on youtube, like your Serbian brothers did.

ixvnyc

Mon, 30 Jun 2008 13:15:54 -0500

thefacts, see i have this policy: i don't talk to the nazis. good try, but no cigar. bye!

serb

Mon, 30 Jun 2008 12:45:55 -0500

I was forwarded this page from a friend, and my jaw dropped as I kept reading. My prayers go out to Steinhauer's family and I hope Bryan recovers quickly. I was incredibly disappointed to review a lot of the commentary to follow the article. Most of the comments attacking Serbs are uneducated and insulting. To 'thefacts': you seem to be everything but.

thefacts

Mon, 30 Jun 2008 12:32:50 -0500

Hi ixvnyc Please don't tell me what to say or how to say it! I do notice that you still have not disagreed with my facts. Long on obfuscation, short on the facts. Good try, but no cigar. So, what is your opinion on the Greater Serbia Movement, if I may change the subject slightly? Let me give you a hint. It's spreading to Queens. At the US Open last year, there were players from all over the world participating. Only the Serb player had nutty fans waving Serbian flags - in a US stadium. Nationalism is good. Extreme nationalism is evil. Go figure, after you disprove my facts.

jenspellnogood

Mon, 30 Jun 2008 11:46:08 -0500

26, i'd have more respect if he said it like this, 'serbs are just as bad as any other people on this planet.'

ixvnyc

Mon, 30 Jun 2008 10:49:46 -0500

thefacts, "What's with these people?" please... ok, just say this: i think serbs are just as good as any other people on this planet. then, we can talk about anything you like.

thefacts

Mon, 30 Jun 2008 10:46:54 -0500

I didn't state my opinion of Serbs, did I? I was just relating some historical FACTS. Do you disagree with them? If so, where are they incorrect?

ixvnyc

Mon, 30 Jun 2008 10:33:13 -0500

thefacts (#22): so, you don't like serbs. ok, you are a nazi. meaning: a person who hates people based on their ethnicity or race. i get that. what i don't get is this: why would you, a nazi, be upset by the rise of adolf hitler? can you explain that, please? thank you.

CR

Mon, 30 Jun 2008 10:00:11 -0500

Albert Sharpton - The 6 Foot 7" Rappin' Jew would NEVER hurt anyone.

thefacts

Mon, 30 Jun 2008 09:18:34 -0500

The Serbs Contribution to the 20th century history: Started WW1 (nutty Serb nationalists assassinated the Austrian Archduke) That led to the Treaty of Versailles, with its humiliating terms for Germany, Which prompted the rise of Hitler (Hitler gleefully forced France's surrender in 1940 in the same train car that France forced Germany to sign the treaty ending WW1) WW2 led to the deaths of some 30 million people, minimum Serbians also introduced a new word into the language: Ethnic Cleansing Remember the seige of Sebronice, and the massacre of thousands of their Muslim neighbors, as well as countless Croatians and Albanians, and other of their Yugo neighbors. Remember Slobodan Milosovic and the other Serbian war criminals currently on trial at the Hague for war crimes. Etc., etc What's with these people?

starrygordon

Mon, 30 Jun 2008 08:21:25 -0500

He got bail because beating someone up in a bar fight after an exchange of verbal pleasantries is not normally considered one of the most heinous of crimes. The judge forgot to check for possession of Serbian ancestry, a capital offense. Although he should have seen the bad shirt and acted accordingly.

edEx

Mon, 30 Jun 2008 08:13:33 -0500

why was he released on bail? did the prosecution consider a flight risk? the judge made a bad call. next time no bail.

Jerky

Mon, 30 Jun 2008 04:40:39 -0500

A violent Serbian??!! I can't imagine...oh wait.....

Albert Sharpton

Mon, 30 Jun 2008 00:07:36 -0500

That jew had an ugly shirt on too, how come no one is ragging on him? Just because he's serbian, what if it was a 6'9" 280 pound jew behind the beating ? What the f. are you people going to say then?

CR

Sun, 29 Jun 2008 23:46:54 -0500

This might go down as the first time in history that a Serbian killed a Jew... no wait...

Nick S

Sun, 29 Jun 2008 21:54:20 -0500

crap, here's the link http://www.guts2fail.com/photos/albums/stock/BaldBullPunch.gif

Snoopy

Sun, 29 Jun 2008 21:34:12 -0500

Spirit, Did you really mean and want to say, "Try to convict Kovacevic in absentia."? You could "of" said it clearer. In reality if he came back it would probably come down to a simple assault charge, plus flight to avoid.

Spiritof76

Sun, 29 Jun 2008 21:25:13 -0500

Nick S., you have an empty link. Try and convict Kovacevic in absentia. His flight shows an admission of guilt. Innocent people don't run. If the thug ever shows his face in the US or any other country that the US has an extradition treaty with, they should grab him and lock him up for a good, long time.

Rocknrope

Sun, 29 Jun 2008 21:04:39 -0500

I blame it on the chicken spiedies.

Snoopy

Sun, 29 Jun 2008 20:58:36 -0500

BH, I don't care what Spiritof76 thinks or says, that was a good one.

Nick S

Sun, 29 Jun 2008 20:58:04 -0500

here's the security footage of the fight from the bar.. judge for yourself... Check it out.

babyhitler

Sun, 29 Jun 2008 20:44:02 -0500

the serbs have the worst sense of humor too. I remember asking this binghamton Serbian guy if he was Russian and he replied with a slight knowing smile he wasn't "rushing" meaning, rushing for fraternity rush. there was an awkard moment of silence for a minute and then I slowly backed away and ran towards the door.

theevilone

Sun, 29 Jun 2008 20:28:12 -0500

If you are 6'9" and can't start on Binghamton's basketball team, you are already the world's biggest loser. The Post interview with Meathead's parents is stomach-churning. They are indulgent idiots. They firmly believe sunshine blows straight from their son's @ss and should not pay for his actions.

Snoopy

Sun, 29 Jun 2008 19:37:28 -0500

Couldn't the big dumb Slovak basketball player just pick the guy up off his feet and look him in the eye and say, "Are you cruising for a bruising?" If he answered yes then he got what he deserved. On a separate note I guess there goes Binghamton's chance for a playoff spot in division 8 basketball.

Splicer

Sun, 29 Jun 2008 19:34:46 -0500

I work in Astoria, Queens which has as sizable Serb community. I overheard a conversation between two (presumably) Serb women that reflected this strange notion that a 6'9" behemoth of questionable intelligence felt threatened by someone over a foot shorter and quite a few pounds lighter. Just one time I want people to not back "their own" automatically.

AHT

Sun, 29 Jun 2008 19:09:12 -0500

Another proud day for the Binghamton Beercats.

harrisgraber

Sun, 29 Jun 2008 18:58:49 -0500

Get out your tape measures. I'm 5'5" and I set my tape measure to 6'7". I could not hold it all the ay up. If someone an inch taller than me tried to punch someone 6'7" in the back of the head, that person would do well to use a stepladder. The anonymous teammate's statement lacks credibility. Get out your tape measures, find someone about 5'6" and see for yourself.

BQE

Sun, 29 Jun 2008 18:52:32 -0500

@2: Note, that's what Kovacevic's friend says what happened, anonymously to boot.

Peter

Sun, 29 Jun 2008 18:16:37 -0500

A teammate of Kovacevic, who did not want his name printed, said the men exchanged words, and then Steinhauer inexplicably sucker-punched Kovacevic in the back of the head. Life Lesson #1: sucker punching someone who is literally twice your size is not a wise move.

Kojak

Sun, 29 Jun 2008 18:16:23 -0500

They should add extra charges for wearing that hideous shirt.