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June 17, 2008

Video of the Day: "The Old Neighborhood," Carroll Gardens

The LA Times, of all papers, takes a look at Carroll Gardens and its old time Italian locals. They're not too happy with the new residents, high rises overshadowing brownstones, and kids playing video games instead of street ball. Take a look...

Now go support the old local businesses still in the neighborhood, stop kicking out the 94-year-olds...and would it kill you to smile and acknowledge your older neighbors when they walk by? [Cobble Hill Blog via NYMag]

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if any only there was a viiable way to fight gentrification, to prevent neighborhoods from transforming in transient disney lands....any realistic ideas?

 

Poignant.

That's why I go to D'Amico instead of Starbucks (or Gorilla Coffee) for my beans.

 

Thanks Jen, that was a good post not about Williamsburg.

 

Ah, reminds me of staying with grandma in Bensonhurst.

These disgusting people being allowed to build glass and steel towers in any neighborhood, no matter what. It is really terrible -and the people who move in with their feeling of entitlement makes it ten times worse. I live on the Lower East Side and I want to slap every snob that walks in and out of the out of scale "The Ludlow", because 90% of them tarnish what was good about NY, or atleast certain neighborhoods.

 

This isn't the old country, where towns remain more or less unchanged for hundreds of years. This is New York, where neighborhoods change ethnic and demographic hands every half-century or so. I can think of far worse elements to take over your neighborhood than gentrification and yuppies. You did a good job taking care of it all these years, and that's why people with money want to move there now. You can either sit around and cry about it, or you can adapt and continue your life.

By the way, Ray Liotta called and he wants his face back.

 

in the south we called people like this rednecks.\

they normally complain about "yankees" moving in tho.

 

Sweet. All those Townhouses and apartments will be open soon!

 

In Carroll Gardens most of the new construction is by next generation kids who live in Staten Island or Jersey or just away. The brick oven pizza place now a Dunken Donuts is the best example.
The kids kick out the older family members, do a quick reno then move in the young white families who grew up in suburbia.

Its easy to point fingers at one group etc. but Carroll Gardens was damned because its so close to Wall Street. and when Rudy deregulated rent and make Brooklyn relevant.

Face it, some of the worst gentrafiers with the least respect of its history are those that come from these very nabes. and those old ladies in Carroll Gardens, they really don't want to talk to the new Mommy with a baby stroller, They are just ticked that the Key Food closed, and their kids never visit .

 

Some people here are overlooking an important detail.

The problem is not the outsiders moving to Brooklyn (and as mentioned in the video, many of the guys talked about family that were transplants themselves, from Italy). New York thrives on immigrants (a.k.a. "transplants"). New York changes hands every few generations. Change is constant.

The problem is that most of the new transplants don't stay or even want to stay. Seriously, walk up to a random person who might seem to be a transplant, and ask them where they see themselves in 10 years. The greater majority of them will mention leaving! They usually say a variety of simple-minded reasons, such as wanting a large grassy yard for their future children to play in (they've never heard of parks), or thinking they "don't see themselves living here forever, it's just too busy after a while."

Once upon a time, when someone moved to New York, that person stayed and wanted to stay forever. They loved New York! What happened? New York ain't so bad. Why are the new transplants leaving within 10 years?

Because many of the transplants actually miss middle-American things such as having a car, fencing-off their neighbors, and having unnecessarily bloated houses filled with gadgets they don't need, they tend to never embrace the comparatively European way of life here (combined with, of course, with the great American drive that makes New York a unique place). They see New York as summer camp, as an adult playground. They don't think far in the future.

So this is where the big problem comes in. The money that swarms around these new transplants are plowing over neighborhoods, remaking communities with their own distorted middle-American vision, without any intent of staying.

After the bulldozers and the pricing-out of the old-timers, the new transplants don't even bother to truly make the neighborhood their home. THAT'S the heart of the problem—the use-then-dispose attitude. It's an American symptom that's starting to rot this country from the inside out.

 

Oh I love stories like this. What exactly do these people want to see happen? Should we turn back time to 1950 to make these people happy? Maybe we should strip as many Italian Americans of the money and advantages they have fought for decades for, so they can go back into these neighborhoods and give it the 'character' these living anarchisms desire.

The past is the past. Little Italy is never coming back and the 'brooklyn' accent has become the Jersey accent or south brooklyn accent. Time moves on. These people need to shut their faces and stop bitching.

Also, the only old timers left in those neighborhoods were the ones who either couldn't afford to move to the suburbs during white flight, or were simply too crazy too. Not people you'd want to spend time with in any case.

 

All those degos would be really pissed off if it was black people coming into their neigb like they did in the 70's.


Those people can sell, make millions, and move to tampa bay where they belong.

 

maybe everyone was so friendly with each other back in the good old days because they were all italians. what these sentimental folks don't want to talk about is the fact that they would not let anyone different from them come into the neighborhood. i wonder how friendly these people would have been had a black family tried to move in their precious little enclave.

save the nostalgia who believes in this bs.

 

and further, what is with self-loathing white people feeling so guilty about what they are doing? They've clearely ruined the neighborhood yet they aren't moving. Why bother with all the false nostalgia? I think the same goes with the LES.

 

Strange there's no mention of the friendly and welcoming Korean couple who for many years ran a dry cleaning service on the corner of Court and Baltic. They are sorely missed by our community but we find solace in the fact their family grew around and beyond the business. We will endure.
As for recalcitrant "old timers", say what you will but in the end, no one really gives a shit.

 

reality check,
In re 10 year residents: have you considered that the punitively high rents and property values in desirable areas make long term NYC living economically unrealistic. Don't kid yourself, if the people bitching in the vid (which is now un-viewable) owned property they would pump the next buyer or renter for every cent. I despise those who own McMansions, and I hated owning a car, but I want more than a 350ft2 studio in long island city before I shuffle off this mortal coil. If the property values (prices) halve in the next 10 years, I'll buy and live happily ever after. If they do not, I'll move up the Hudson line and be happy in a different way.
I don't blame the property owners for charging what the market will bear; I am just unable to purchase, or rent long-term, at that price. As usual, it would have been nice to have been born wealthy.

 
 

The bitters™ in that video should have thought about that before they started voting Republican and moving to the suburbs in the '60s.

NYC at one time had a thriving, unionized working-class that nearly made the city a social-democracy ["Working Class New York"] ["The Assassination of New York"]. The people in places like Carroll Gardens were the main beneficiaries. That is, before the takeover of the city by the FIRE sector. But did they do anything to stop it? I dun think so! They're too fond of marble- and gold-plated McMansions in Central Florida, not to mention too dead-set on getting as far away from "the undesirables" as possible.

 

I'm leaving eventually because I love trees more than bodegas and I don't want to raise kids with either 1: a snotty sense of provencial entitlement; 2: a god-awful accent; 3: both.

 

Great video, thanks for posting.

 

Sad to see the banner ad on the left side of this article with the phrase "Just ask the locals" and a big photo of Ivanka Trump.

 

Also, I thought Raccuglia Funeral Home was going to be shut down...they were part of that body parts selling ring.

 
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