Gothamist: Obama May Be Nominee, But Clinton Drama Continues

sonyactivision

Wed, 04 Jun 2008 14:28:04 -0500

Obama/Gore. This could help heal one historical mistake and prevent another hillarystorical mistake.

babyhitler

Wed, 04 Jun 2008 14:11:51 -0500

#40 -Remember "I'm a uniter not a divider"? Obama supporters in 2008 are exactly like George Bush supporters in 2000. Very Idealistic and self righteous. Look what happened. Everything that is said about Obama now, was said about Bush in 2000.

yoplay

Wed, 04 Jun 2008 13:49:01 -0500

I for one am happy the empire is finished, finished because of our arrogance. Now let's function with a little compassion for once. plus f all you "I'm for obama, but he won't win" louts. Let's do this thing! Put McCain and Obama on the same stage and the difference will be black and white... and I for one am betting on black. People will come out for this, they love an underdog. Obama's tactics shed light all over the Clinton hate campaign and he'll came out and responded to every attack they had, he'll shed light on the Republican fear machine.

JMH

Wed, 04 Jun 2008 13:41:59 -0500

I agree with Mister Tissue.

NYCSniper

Wed, 04 Jun 2008 13:09:56 -0500

Anybody notice that Hillary supporters are generally more negative and pessimistic, and Obama supporters see the future as being bright? Go 'bama!

Snoopy

Wed, 04 Jun 2008 13:04:59 -0500

Maybe we could be like France or Portugal.

Anna_Merkin

Wed, 04 Jun 2008 12:25:48 -0500

(I can't believe I'm agreeing with babyhitler!) Yeah, there is no way that he wins this Fall, except possibly with some old(er) white dude who assuages our less-enlightened brothers and sisters. I'll be curious to see how many of the "angry" HRC supporters follow through with their moronic threats. I'm going to have to marry a half-Chinese half-Indian woman so my kids can get the proper passportage. We're over-extended and there's no WWII with a draft, free appropriated German technology, baby boom, and wrecked 1st world economy (i.e., Europe) to save our butts this time. We're less like the Roman Empire and more like the British Empire. We'll still remain relevant but in a much more diminished capacity.

NYCSniper

Wed, 04 Jun 2008 12:24:49 -0500

BTW, who says that Obama won't pick up latinos, etc? Maybe they went for Hill in primaries, but it is insane to think they would flat out reject obama in the general election. (I'm not talkin about the rednecks that Hill courts, of course). I for one am not buying Hill's notion that Obama needs her to win.

belgrader

Wed, 04 Jun 2008 12:12:01 -0500

Obama-Clinton team? Don't think so, Americans need a FUNCTIONAL White House.

MisterTissue

Wed, 04 Jun 2008 11:53:30 -0500

Thank you, Matty. I'm not sure where this "racist" midwest comes from. Pennsylvania has the highest number of white hate groups in the nation; yet it is a mid-atlantic state. Great plains Midwesterners like Kansans and Iowans don't give a crap about race; IL, MN, WI, and MI have significant black populations, especially in urban areas where Democratic votes come from. Indiana and Ohio are hillbillyish, but that's due to proximity to KY and WV; states Obama has no chance of winning anyway. The man has spent his adult life in the Midwest and I don't think he alienates we good people who grown your food and make your cars as much as the East Coast Ivory Tower types would like to think.

likesrudylikesbooty

Wed, 04 Jun 2008 11:50:37 -0500

What will his/their campaign slogan be? "Keep the change. Gimme all your money."

EastRiver

Wed, 04 Jun 2008 11:49:17 -0500

On the topic of VP selection, the ticket doesn't have to appeal to the South. If the Democrats can hold the states they won in 2000/2004 and pick up Ohio, they win. That makes me think there is still a 30 percent chance Hillary is the nominee for VP. Edwards brings nothing. Maybe instead of losing the South by 30 points they lose by 20.

Snoopy

Wed, 04 Jun 2008 11:40:13 -0500

Maybe Babyhitler can run as vp. He has the correct attitude for those states that Osama can't reach and a name that will stick in people's minds and remember at election time.

matty

Wed, 04 Jun 2008 11:20:00 -0500

#25 How will Obama not get the midwest vote when the midwest were the ones who voted for him? Not one eastern seabord state save Connecticut and Maine voted for Obama. Please never forget that IOWA got this guy to where he is today. IL, MN, WI and MS also helped. The "problem" states are WV, OH, MI, KY, PA and FL of which only two of thos states are Midwestern. Even NY may stray from Obama as it is a primarily a rustbelt state. Obama is a political product of the midwest. People would do well not to forget that.

likesrudylikesbooty

Wed, 04 Jun 2008 11:18:49 -0500

[22] See Bush v. Gore, the Supreme Court case. However, this might be a reminder that the people voted based on their dissatisfaction with the incumbent president, and his associated party.

twakum

Wed, 04 Jun 2008 11:16:46 -0500

The whiny old bit** has ripped the band aid off the latent racism in the democratic party. She has harmed the dems prospects more than any other recent dem politician. Obama does need to pick an old white guy because of her stupid racist pandering. Plus the uncouth comments of her spouse. And put her frickin majesty on the Supreme Court, or in other terms "out to pasture". She and her gang of local droogs needs to stop now. I know threatening a cnadidate can get the Secret Service on you, but if I smack Terry McCauliffe with a dead halibut, can I do less than 30 days? If she runs in 2012 after damaging Obama like she did, there will be a Daily Kos and progressive revolt like you have never seen.

NYCSniper

Wed, 04 Jun 2008 11:15:16 -0500

Just a *little* crazy? This is like the girlfriend you break up with, but just won't accept that you've moved on....

iank

Wed, 04 Jun 2008 11:09:46 -0500

Clinton seems to have made it pretty clear that she doesn't like Obama as a candidate. She's spent so much time saying how unqualified he was. So how the hell can she expect him to suddenly say, "Oh, yes! Clinton would make a great VP! We'd work well together!" And how can she expect to suddenly be able to promote his candidacy? It would only make her look more two-faced than she already does. The best thing she could do would be to concede gracefully and then work quietly behind the scenes to get him elected. But she won't. Because she's selfish. And possibly a little crazy.

Rocknrope

Wed, 04 Jun 2008 11:07:24 -0500

And think about how much worse it would be if she were the one in that position.

babyhitler

Wed, 04 Jun 2008 10:58:44 -0500

Looking at all the vitriol on the comment boards for and against obama/clinton you can easily tell what forbodes in the future. I'd be surprised if the democratic party ever will get a nominee into power in the first half of this century. Roman Empire = 27 BC – 1453 AD. American Empire = 1776 AD - 2012 AD. Hey, we had a good run. It's time to call my relatives in the Netherlands to see if I can move there. Amsterdam is the Shit.

Dave Hogarty

Wed, 04 Jun 2008 10:56:03 -0500

[14] You may be onto something there. And if there's one thing I know for certain from reading the comments section here, is that there are no racists in blue states [COUGH!]

Dirk

Wed, 04 Jun 2008 10:52:33 -0500

Hillary has no class. Whether or not she was going to concede last night, she should have had the grace to acknowledge the historic nature of the night. For the first time, a person of color is a Presidential nominee. Instead she acts like she's won. What planet is she living on?

Dave Hogarty

Wed, 04 Jun 2008 10:47:15 -0500

[1] Al Gore had the grace to concede? Well, I supposed he did for about 90 seconds before kicking off a multi-month recount fiasco involving an army of lawyers and reprehensible behavior by pretty much everyone. I think his graceful concession dragged its sorry bedraggled carcass all the way to the Supreme Court, which put a bullet in it, to the satisfaction of no one.

babyhitler

Wed, 04 Jun 2008 10:46:40 -0500

Face it, obama aint ever going to get the midwest racist vote unless he gets super vitiligo. The midwest racists will cut their noses off to spite their face. The democratic party is screwed! He won't win NY or California in the general election either. Hilary would have won the Blue states but not the red states so she was screwed too. The Democratic party is way too fractured and self serving of special interests. McCain's Vp in 2009 (cause McCain will Die)

Rocknrope

Wed, 04 Jun 2008 10:37:48 -0500

While I agree that O needs to capture more of the "whitie" vote, I don't think Edwards is the way to do it. People have seen him before, and may in some subconcious way see him as "the VP who lost once already." He needs a fresher face, and one will much less baggage than either Hil or Johnny. As it is he's gotta dig himself out of the rathole that Clinton helped trench.

virgil

Wed, 04 Jun 2008 10:37:41 -0500

Obama/Daschle might secure the racist midwestern/southern votes. People remember him fondly, he's white, has lot's of experience, a good history in the senate, a pleasant demeanor, and won't upstage Obama.

edEx

Wed, 04 Jun 2008 10:34:57 -0500

you believe that the war(s) will end with Obama as president? this terror war is called a 100 year war... it will never end. 40 years is chump change.

Alex

Wed, 04 Jun 2008 10:32:44 -0500

Edwards wouldn't work, he's too young. Richardson wouldn't work because he's not white enough. Obama needs an old white VP like Biden or Daschle if he wants to win over at least a few of the racists and win over the idiots who think experience defines a candidacy.

lanciano

Wed, 04 Jun 2008 10:31:14 -0500

i think obama needs someone with some international chops clout. ie: wes clark. Hil needs to be put down already. i wish someone in her circle would give her the reality check so desperately needs. if she's really interested in doing what is best for the Dems, and if she had ANY class or dignity whatsoever, she would be rallying her constituents to get behind Obama instead of getting them all pumped up to keep her defunct campaign going!! FOOL!

famdoc

Wed, 04 Jun 2008 10:14:43 -0500

As a result of Hillary's classless pursuit of whatever she's pursuing, more and more voters will pull the lever for McCain. Recognizing that the election could be decided by one state or a handful of electoral votes, Democratic Party Chairman Howard Dean should move this party along STAT. President McCain=40 more years of war.

edEx

Wed, 04 Jun 2008 10:11:52 -0500

Here's the deal: to get the racist Midwest votes, Obama needs to nominate Edwards. in the mind of the average Midwesterner, if Obama does this, then there's a chance to get Edwards into the Presidency. While the idea of Clinton and Obama is a great one, it's just not possible with the red states.

fortyver

Wed, 04 Jun 2008 10:10:42 -0500

It was all too much to hope that this would be over when I woke up this morning. Now, I have to see Harold Ickes, Terry McAuliffe, and crazy old NYC Clinton Supporter on my TV for who knows how long. S**t!!!! I need a drink.

JMH

Wed, 04 Jun 2008 10:07:21 -0500

Obama/Richardson, if you ask me.

yoplay

Wed, 04 Jun 2008 10:07:15 -0500

woo hoo... it's gonna be that whipper snapper obama vs. the old angry coot McCain.

Gregoire

Wed, 04 Jun 2008 09:58:42 -0500

"Only thing is, Hill hasn't one the popular vote. How long are we going to keep her delusions alive? Let's get the facts straight" Hillary wins the popular vote only if you take 'estimated votes' from all the caucus states, and if you count Michigan where Obama wasn't even on the ballot and thus you give him the 'uncommitteds' despite the fact that most potential Obama voters stayed home.

Anna_Merkin

Wed, 04 Jun 2008 09:54:56 -0500

HRC's current campaign reminds me of the Germanic barbarians in the opening sequence of Gladiator. "A people should know when they are beaten." "Would you? Would I?"

aa77

Wed, 04 Jun 2008 09:53:25 -0500

she wants to consult with her supporters to find out what should be her next move. That's like the Yankees staying on the field after loosing game 7 of the world series, so that they can ask their fans what they should do next. It's over. get off the field.

billybob

Wed, 04 Jun 2008 09:52:38 -0500

Edwards, please, that guy is more full of it than any politician to grace the stage in decades.

matty

Wed, 04 Jun 2008 09:46:07 -0500

Obama Edwards 08

Mr Mel

Wed, 04 Jun 2008 09:33:39 -0500

Jen: It's "chutspah" not "chutsbah". Perhaps she was thinking of 'Casbah'. Please forward to Ms Dowd.

NYCSniper

Wed, 04 Jun 2008 09:32:46 -0500

PS: one= won chutzbah=chutzPah ??? PPS: Maybe if we ignore her she'll just go away? PPPS: How about a button to "edit" one's own comments, Gothamist?

John Del Signore

Wed, 04 Jun 2008 09:30:45 -0500

For the Clinton machine it's all about undermining Obama enough so that their 2012 campaign slogan can be "We Told You So."

NYCSniper

Wed, 04 Jun 2008 09:30:34 -0500

Only thing is, Hill hasn't one the popular vote. How long are we going to keep her delusions alive? Let's get the facts straight.

Rocknrope

Wed, 04 Jun 2008 09:25:51 -0500

You know who else won the popular vote? Al Gore. He, however, had the grace to concede instead of pulling the country into a fractionalized, drawn out process. Can you imagine if it was Hillary in that position instead? The lawsuits would still be open to this day.