May 5, 2008
Lou Reed and Julian Schnabel Talk Berlin at Tribeca

In 2006, Lou Reed revived his album Berlin by performing it in its entirety with a small orchestra for five sold-out shows at St. Annâs Warehouse in Brooklyn. The 1973 album, which riffs on themes of drugs, love and suicide, was a commercial failure when it came out; Lester Bangs described it as âthe bastard progeny of a drunken flaccid tumble between Tennessee Williams and Hubert (Last Exit From Brooklyn) Selby, Jr.â
But in artist/filmmaker Julian Schnabelâs hands, Berlin is anything but flaccid: His new concert documentary, culled from three nights at St. Annâs, has captured Reedâs cult classic in all its decadent, rattling vibrancy. The sound is exquisitely crisp, and the concert footage affords an up-close, color-saturated view of the performances â Schnabelâs crew even caught Reedâs immaculately sour lips turning upward at the edges in what can only be described as a smile.
Backed by (deep breath) brass, cello, viola, flute, percussion, keyboards, bass, the Brooklyn Youth Choir, Sharon Jones, Antony, and guitar virtuoso Steve Hunter â who played on the original recording â Berlin actually swings; even the downer ballads have a certain soulful buoyancy. In addition to directing, Schnabel designed the sets, while his daughter Lola filmed supplemental montage footage of Emmanualle Seigner flitting about as the albumâs âCaroline.â Though lovely, it doesnât add or subtract much from the movieâs dour star, who actually seems to be enjoying himself.
Berlin will open in NYC at Film Forum on July 18th; last nightâs screening was part of the Conversations in Cinema series to conclude the 2008 Tribeca Film Festival. After the jump, some outtakes from Reed and Schnabelâs chat with Vanity Fairâs Lisa Robinson.
Reed: "Basquiat was a work of New York love. I said Julianâs got to at least do the sets, because he was busy working on his movie at the time. And he said, 'How can I do the sets and not direct it?' And I said, 'I donât know. How can you do the sets and not direct it?' So he brought in Ellen Kuras and her cinematography is incredible.
Schnabel: "I didnât want this to be some fancy filming with cranes and things like that. So we got the opportunity to invite and audience and I said, 'Okay, thereâs going to be a camera person onstage if you donât mind.'"
Reed: âJulian knew the record better than me. He could recite this piece of music. And he asked me, âWhy wouldnât you want to do that?â And I said, âBut I did to that.â And he said, âWell, that was then and now weâre over here.â So I said, âOkay, why not do that.â"
Schnabel: âWhat youâre seeing is really the first time he played it. He had so much fun doing it he went around Europe and played it all over. I saw some of these other performances and I think he became more comfortable. I saw a performance in Arles that was radically different. But what I thought was amazing was to record the first time he played it. I thought the way he looked at Antony and the way he looked at Steve and the way he looked at other people playing with him was extraordinary. I thought it was sort of like watching Chris Walken perform open heart surgery on himself.â
Reed: âIs that good?â
Schnabel: âYou know whatâs interesting is that he lives across the street from me. I remember when I told him I wanted Lola to do this and my brother in-law to do this, he said to me, âWhat, are you kidding? Your daughter and your brother in-law? Arenât you going to do it? Donât you have time?â And I said, âCome to my studio and Iâll show you the stuff and you tell me if you donât want them to do it.â So all of these great images youâre seeing, like the paint on the negative and this shaman-looking character running in the snow⊠Thereâs a film Lola made when she was 17-years-old in there⊠This whole thing was brewing since he made this record in 1973 and she started making films ââ
Reed: âHe brought me to his warehouse, puts Berlin on and shows me Alejandro Garmendiaâs floating furniture and then some things by Lola and it was just serendipity, the way they meshed immediately. To me it was like canât miss; these sensitivities are too similar and Lola did such an amazing job. No slouch Lola.
Robinson: âYour voice has changed since you originally recorded it. Itâs deeper now, right?â
Reed: âI would hope so. Itâd be weird if it was higher, right?â
Robinson: âYouâre a songwriter, poet, photographer, guitar player. But people still try and pigeon-hole you and are surprised you take great photographs.â
Reed: âI donât talk to people like that.â
Robinson: âThis is a very uplifting movie, even singing âSad Songsâ at the end seems very uplifting.â
Reed: âSomebody said âthe act of writing is an act of optimism.â"
Schnabel: âThatâs a fragment of something [Andrei] Tarkovsky said. He said that art is different than life because art is a representation of life and therefore it doesnât contain death. Life contains death. So making art is life-affirming. So even if the art is tragic, itâs still optimistic. There can never be pessimistic artists, there can only be mediocrity.
Audience question: âLester Bangs said Berlin was the most depressed album ever made. What are your thoughts on that?â
Reed: âI donât have any thoughts on Lester Bangsâs comments. What does that have to do with anything? You just saw it.â
Schnabel: âI just thought it obviously made me want to make the movie.â
Robinson: âI just want to say we knew Lester Bangs and would not 35 years later quote him. However ââ
Reed: âWho is Lester Bangs?â
Schnabel: âIsnât he the guy who Chris Walken drowned in At Close Range?â
Audience question: âThere were moments when you were in such an wonderfully intimate and open zone and I donât know if weâve had that kind of access to you before. Was there anything in the film that you saw that surprised you about your performance?â
Reed: âWell, in the old days I would have worn sunglasses and you wouldnât get to see any of that. But I canât wear the sunglasses now because Iâd fall over a cable. Iâm there as a version of me â the performing version. It is what it is. I wanted to write these monologues for myself. I love acting in a role in a song and I write the monologue for myself. Thatâs my idea of fun⊠To me Berlin is an amalgam of when a woman does a certain thing to you, you end up with Berlin.â




who dressed these retards?
I saw it last week and, even as someone not too familiar with Lou Reed's catalogue, I thought the film was beautiful. There's a truly knock-out moment in the encore when Reed and Antony (as in, & the Johnsons) perform a "Candy Says" duet.
lou reed now wears nike? god, how long and deep the fall
âI just want to say we knew Lester Bangs and would not 35 years later quote him. However â" Nice Lisa, in another 35, 50, 100 years we'll still know who Lester Bangs is, and nobody will have a clue who you are. Nice to see Lou still can't stand Lester all these years later. Pretty funny.
1980 came and went. What are these two schvugs still doing here?