May 1, 2008
NYPD and FBI Question the Smiley Face Gang
The drownings that two retired NYPD detectives linked to a serial killing spree they claim has been underway for over a decade, is being questioned by both the FBI and police commish Ray Kelly.
Newsday reports that yesterday Kelly stated there is "nothing to suggest" that the two men who drowned in New York were victims of a nationwide network of serial killers who are allegedly responsible for approximately 40 deaths since 1997.
The network, dubbed The Smiley Face Gang, allegedly left smiley faces (pictured) spray-painted near 12 of the bodies, but the two New Yorkers (Lawrence Andrews and Patrick McNeill) were not amongst them, leading Kelly to believe that their deaths were accidental.
The FBI also stated that there is no evidence to support the retired detectives theory, and that "the vast majority of these instances appear to be alcohol-related drownings." All of the victims were described as intelligent, college-aged men, and one commenter speculates that John Pike, Ra Ra Riot's drummer who was found drowned last year, may be one of them.
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shit..1997?? lets throw jeff buckley on the list too!
and Spalding Gray
the 1st rule of project mayhem is...
Since 1997, and this is the first time anyone's heard of this "gang"? Not one former gang member, acquaintance of a gang member, pissed-off ex-gang member or surviving/escaped potential victim has ever come forward with information about this mysterious gang?
Sounds like a possible movie plot perhaps.
Its more of a fad than a gang.
40 people could get drunk and drown, all around the country in 11 years, right?
His name was Robert Paulson...
That makes a cool logo for t-shirts and hats. I'm shocked no one has started selling it yet.
Darwin wins!
The parents just can't accept that fact.
There is nothing cool about the logo and NO ONE would buy them. In fact I would kick the sh*t out of someone if I saw them wearing it.
Darwin has nothing to do with this, if you read the article at all you would REALIZE that these were SMART students AND athletes. Darwin believed the weak would die off and the strong would survive. But these victims WERE the strong ones, they were just in the wrong place at the wrong time. Darwin and luck are two different things!
This investigation was not a result of the parents inability to accept what happened to their children. As I said before, if you read the article you would see that this is all a result of two detectives going above and beyond the call of duty to give closure to the mourning parents of these wronged young adults.
Next time think before you type or better yet just read the article
Visitor from Chicago here. I admit I was initially skeptical, and remain skeptical, but the more you read about these cases, the more it seems certain things don't add up.
While it's plausible so many young men simply wandered off to a body of water, fell in and drowned, I do believe that one would have to be EXTREMELY intoxicated to, first of all, fall in, then not be able to pull oneself out of a few feet of water. Also, what are so many young men, particularly in Wisconsin, doing near the water in the first place?
Since when do college-aged jocks suddenly decide they want to take a scenic river walk at night, by themselves?
I am not saying that there is a serial killer, only that there are some unanswered questions.