Gothamist: Retired Cops Suspect a Gang Behind Serial Drownings

Dave Hogarty

Wed, 30 Apr 2008 10:49:04 -0500

The nail gun scenario? You're right. That is creepy.

BTW

Wed, 30 Apr 2008 09:36:49 -0500

This sounds like some shit that David Simon via Marlo, Snoop and Chris would come up with for The Wire. Scary...

Nick S

Wed, 30 Apr 2008 00:42:18 -0500

actually, 4.

Nick S

Wed, 30 Apr 2008 00:41:46 -0500

hogarty, what's the point of linking to 3 different news sources for the exact same story? i understand that words are cooler when they're clickable, but take it easy man!

Jerky

Wed, 30 Apr 2008 00:20:10 -0500

I never really believed any of these stories about wandering off drunk AND making it to a river AND falling in AND drowning. If you're so drunk that you might fall into a river and drown, you're probably not capable of walking there in the first place. The probability of all those happening is fairly remote, especially in NYC where it can take a fairly concerted effort to reach an accesible water point. I'm glad someone is looking into these things. I don't really believe the serial killer gang thing though...all it takes is one person, familiar with a couple of areas. The "sinsiniwa" evidence is pretty compelling....

Spiny

Tue, 29 Apr 2008 19:19:34 -0500

Drewo: read the articles more closely. The tag has appeared at the points of entry for the bodies in five states, including on the banks of the Mississippi River. This is no NYC graffiti artist. The detectives also found the word "sinsiniwa" next to one of the smiley faces in Michigan, and they later traced river currents to determine that another body had gone into a river in Iowa at Sinsiniwa Avenue. Chilling. I think these detectives are onto something, and should be commended for their efforts.

imaginary

Tue, 29 Apr 2008 18:34:41 -0500

This article reminded me of the recent drowning of the drummer from the indie band Ra Ra Riot. I hope they're looking into this case as well: http://media.www.dailyorange.com/media/storage/paper522/news/2007/06/05/News/Ra.Ra.Riot.Drummer.Found.Dead-2911755.shtml

drewo

Tue, 29 Apr 2008 18:01:13 -0500

Linking many of them are a series of similar smiley face graffiti symbols. Graffiti "tags" are all over this town - and it's not at all uncommon to see the same tag in a number of different places. That would seem to be a goal of the graffiti artists - to display their tag as far and wide as possible. To tie all these deaths together (over a period of 11 or so years) based on graffiti does seem a bit farfetched. But then, stranger things have happened.

PBRK

Tue, 29 Apr 2008 17:41:54 -0500

I would definitely question Ira Glass about this.

FrankMartin

Tue, 29 Apr 2008 17:23:04 -0500

How totally f'd up would this be? What if it is a cult of fat ugly chics who hate the cool good looking guys.... Off to write my screenplay.

babyfishmouth

Tue, 29 Apr 2008 16:54:51 -0500

I remember when Patrick McNeill drowned. A few weeks later, another handsome male college student drowned in the city. Within one year, there were four drownings - all good-looking, male college students. I thought there was a pattern - it seems like it would take a lot of effort to accidentally fall into the Hudson or East River and drown. I hope they catch this killer - I've wondered about the Patrick McNeill case for years.