Sean Bell Shooting Verdict: COPS FOUND NOT GUILTY

Sean Bell didnt' have a record? HAHAHAHAHAHAH. Arrested twice for drugs and once for firearms possession. Nice try.

The 2nd biggest tragedy here is that the world's 2nd most profitable racists, Al Sharpton, is using this tragedy to further his career,( the 1st most profitable rascist is jesse jackson).

Listen to the Daily New's Errol Louis on last nights reporter's round table on NY1. He covered the trial from the beginning. Hear what he says about the Judge and the decision.

don't listen to the call in shows.

CKNY -- I attended a wedding last weekend, and we were all piss drunk the night before. Just because you and your friends don't do it, doesn't mean it's not the norm.

I can't bring myself to read the rest of the comments. This is a travesty. The Judge is obviously covering for the NYPD so as not to undermine the organization.

If you're a black man in New york, buy a Glock and shoot back!

So what are you gonna do when you realize that black folks kill thousands of black folks every year? Far more injustice is done by blacks upon blacks. Following your twisted logic you should have drop a rock on a blackman man day?

Guess what no one in Sean Bell's car were submitted to a breathalyzer. They admitted to being intoxicated before a grand jury.

Cops in NY protect. Hell yes. Lot more than the hustler low lifes on my block. In the last ten years we've had several shootings and three homicides on my block. Black folk killing black folk. When the neighborhood got the police involved - yes snitched. Half the dealers left or got locked up. Where was Sharpton and his clowns? It was work a day cops that cleaned up the hood and many like it.

There's over 30,000 police. Most do a damn good job. Spend some time in some 3rd world shithole then you'll know how good our police force is and how corrupt the rest can be. You don't know how good you got it. You get free education; you have cops that you don't have to bribe to show up and we're one of the only nations where poor folk have running water and can afford to be obese as a house. Stop the blame game and look in the mirror.

its not racism, its social injustice,

black cops get their paychecks doing the same crap white cops do...abuse of police power

as for the cops intoxication level, theres no evidence because they were not tested get it! police protect their own.

i never been mugged sorry, im not the muggable type, you keep believing the cops are here to protect you...i dont believe it,

its on!

DROP A ROCK ON A COP DAY, SAT 4/26

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4 white kids screaming "yo go get my gat" will never incur the penalty of even one bullet

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Sure in Greenwich Ct, they woudln't incur so much as a BB gun - people would laugh at them. Now if these were four white Irish guys in black leather jackets in Hell's Kitchen in the mid 80's, that would be taken seriously. Or four white Russians in little Odessa, sure, people would run.

Four black kids in Bel Air, doubtful.

Again, stop looking at race. If it were race, you'd have the black cop and hispanic cop saying amongst themselves, "let's go the parking lot and bag ourselves some Niggras, what ya'll say?" Instead, they were thinking let's follow these possible thug hustlers and stop something from blowing up.

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1. Cops were drinking, impaired judgement.

2. Recklessly fired into (at) a vehicle not establishing who had a gun, who did not.

3. UNDERCOVER VAN, UNDERCOVER COPS (at night)..reasonably difficult for the victims to know these were officers

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1. Where in the record was it proven they were impaired? Never. It is on the record that Bell's party had several drinks each. Hell yes. Guzman testified to having three long islands and being intoxicated. Sean Bell had several drinks. Banefield was drunk and high. What makes you think automatically undercovers are going to be getting toasted on the job? And if they did, without any evidence, that just doesn't exist in court.

2. Reckless? Bell backed into Isnora then rammed the cop's Van. After hearing Guzman say he was going to get a gun (corroborated by even the Prosecution's witnesses), they had probable cause to believe the driver/passengers were dangerous and possibly armed, especially after seeing his party fly off the handle in the bar. They were dealing with hotheads.

3. Isnora ID'd himself with badge prior to getting rammed in the leg.

The main issue is did they ID themselves as cops and did they have reason to believe they were in lethal danger. On both counts they did - or so they say.

So now it becomes what did witnesses see or didn't and in the case of the prosecution witnesses, their stories changed so much that their credibility was shot- case blown.

You see a group of men in a heated argument, both alluding to guns or getting guns, you follow them out to their car, you say "police, out of your car", driver throws it in reverse and hits your partner, then throws it in drive and hits your van. You then see someone reach below the dash (was Guzman bluffing?). You're going to tell me to yell "he's got a gun" isn't beyond reason? Your're going to tell me after that, when someone says, he's got a gun you're not going to open fire.

Please.

Amazing.

And after one of you gets mugged, who are you going to call?

Certainly not Ghostbusters.

Michael Oliver is kinda hot, too bad he's a cold blooded killer.

oh yeah, the cast of the hills, (laguna beach cast got a repreieve)

those nyc desperate housewives,

that annoying tim gunn, cheff collicio from top chef, damm hes annoying, does he have his own personsal head wax machine?

mmm...add obey giant and jake dobbin to the list,

one day there will be blood on the streets,

landlords, cops, real esate brokers,

used car salesmen, catholic preist pedophiles,

telemarketers, cell phone store personell,,

hmmm who else do i hate, those red hook ballfield vendors gave me the runs once, add them to the list...

oh yeah yuppies, gentrifiers, hipsters, and celebrity bloggers...i update my list as i think of more

1. Cops were drinking, impaired judgement.

2. Recklessly fired into (at) a vehicle not establishing who had a gun, who did not.

3. UNDERCOVER VAN, UNDERCOVER COPS (at night)..reasonably difficult for the victims to know these were officers

"What we saw in court today was not a miscarriage of justice," the Rev. Al Sharpton said on his radio program.

"Justice didn't miscarry," he said. "This was an abortion of justice. Justice was aborted."

This was a lose-lose situation, especially when a certain race baiter (who should be ignored given his track record) got his megalomania in the mix.

I heard a loud noise just a minute ago but I can't tell if it was Charles Barron taking a nuclear shit in his pants or just another crane collapse.

This shooting had nothing to do with racism. You patrol a low life bar with a rep for violence, prostitution and drug dealing, it doesn't make a difference. You'd be on your guard if it were a Russian Mobster Bar in Brighton Beach or a Irish Westies joint in the 80's or a KKK hangout down south.

They didn't shoot them because they were black. They shot them because they credibly thought they were armed low lifes trying to run them down. They got half of it right.

4 white kids screaming "yo go get my gat" will never incur the penalty of even one bullet

Now cops know why their Union Dues are so high.

**People probably thing that because the cop who wasn't black put 31 high-velocity holes in Sean Bell. Thirty-one! **

Okay, he did not put 31 holes in Sean Bell. Fifty shots were fired. Fifty shots did not hit Sean Bell. Five cops fired 50 times in approximately 25 seconds. Yes, that's a lot of shots. According to the ME, two shots are the ones that killed Sean Bell. Two. If those cops shot 2 times, we'd have the same sad outcome.

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4 white cokehead stockbrokers parked in a limo outside the hustler club would not have been shot even if they sent ray kelly himself an email stating they would go get a rocket launcher and attached their arrest records in PDF format.

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2 Crooked NYPD Cops recently got convicted for multiple murders while working for the Mafia. Yeah, it must have been a racist white hating jury. Don't you think. Where's the justice.

Sad day. Sad day.

In my mind this case was more complicated than Diallo, and MUCH more complicated than Rodney King. It seems like nobody exactly knew what was going on in that nightclub. But I think the cops need to be punished. It was gross misconduct AT THE VERY LEAST.

This goes past simple one-dimensional concepts of "racism". In fact simple, 1950's, Jim Crow-style racism is much less of a problem now. This doesn't mean there are no problems left. What we have left is a pernicious intermingling of race and class structuring society in a way that people like Sean Bell can find themselves in a position where they can shot 50 times by cops (of his own race no less) on their wedding night, and have those policemen get off scott-free. This is not justice.

This is where people like Al Sharpton fail blacks and all minorities. They are still stuck ideologically and rhetorically in the past. Their arguments no longer resonate with reality. Stark "I hate black people" racism is less of an issue now. How police conduct themselves in poor communities is the issue here. How the state doles out justice is the issue here. This trial is more about class than race. But people will always hold on to the race issue b/c it is easier and doesn't challenge us to look at deeper, structural problems that have more to do w/political economy.

People should be angry. But I hope people stay peaceful. I think they will.

re: BLACK STAR PRESS

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"The three officers most likely were drunk, and additionally possibly high on drugs, having spent all night at the club drinking while staking out the club. They supposedly went looking to prevent trouble; instead they committed the ultimate transgression--they murdered an innocent and unarmed man, likely because they were drunk, frightened and unprofessional......Once the first officer started firing, the others, all presumably drunk, also opened up."

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Where do you get off on calling yourself press? Presumeably drunk, most likely drunk? Where in the record indicates any of that? If that were true that would change the case completely giving much ammunition to the recklessness charges. But it's not. If you're a reporter, you need your badge srtipped, making assertions with no back up. Show me the evidence that backs it up - otherwise you advocating locking someone up based on rumor. You'd be better off as a reporter for the Salem Witch Trials.

And now look at the facts: Cops credibly believed a man was going to get his "gat" after a heated dispute, one pulled his weapon and announced "police"; he was rammed by the car once; it rammed the van; a man bends over; a cop yells gun; the others fire. Nothing the "reliable" witnessses said in court contradicted this. To say this is racist or homicidal behavior is hyperbole at best. Guaranteed if you were a cop in that situation, you would've unloaded too.

Clearly what should have happened and will no doubt be entered into use of deadly force guidelines next academy class is what will be called the "Russel Timoshenko Rule."

Wait until you or your partner is shot in the head and then return fire.
This not only saves you hassle; but also shows the world you are not a racist.
This also saves the city hundreds of thousands of dollars in court fees, and in overtime pay for fellow officers having to work extra in case of riots following a verdict.

DISCLAIMER

I mean no desrepect to Police Officer Herman Yan or Detective Russel Timoshenko's family in above's Reductio ad Absurdum.

sorry MichaelAQ, i couldn't have been him, because i'm not a criminal, my friends aren't criminals & i don't hang out at criminal stripjoints.

i also wouldn't slam on the gas, if some dude points a gun at me. i would give him my wallet & car keys & ask him not to shoot me, especially if i'm getting married the next day.

i wouldn't try to be all gangsta by saying something stupid like "get my gun." i also wouldn't be dressed like a thug.

so i'm not going to buy your t-shirt.

Amen...

I feel like we never make any progress because we're always afraid of being viewed as bigoted toward whatever group we aren't a part of. We can't just cut the shit and be honest with ourselves. I'll always be a white oppressor as long as someone thinks I view blacks as thugs, and vice versa. I don't know how we can fix it, but I don't know how we'll survive without trying.

Racists? One cop was black, the other two hispanic and of middle eastern descent.

At first glance you'd think the prosecution has a slam dunk. 50 shots, three unarmed victims, etc.

Then when you read how all the star witnesses contradicted previous grand jury testimony, even tape recordings of what they said earlier, the prosecution just plain screwed up.

Given what the prosecution presented justice was served. You can't hand a sentence based on your gut or hunch that these cops did wrong, you have to go by the facts presented in court. When the prosecution's witnesses can't get their facts straight, fabricate, change or flat out lie, how can anyone present a strong case against the defendants.

I believe they didn't act out of racism. That's just a way Al Sharpton makes a living. If he really cared about the welfare of black folk he'd could start with all the hustlers and drug dealers that kill more blacks in month than the entire history of the NYPD. But that's another story and it doesn't raise money for his "charity". The guy needs racism like a vampire needs blood. But in this case it's like a vampire sucking on a grapefruit.

Whether the cops were right or wrong, the DA dropped the ball in presenting credible evidence and witnesses. When your witnesses aren't on the same page, one claims he heard last words from Bell (despite his severed vocal chord) and the other claimed to have changed his testimony because he was instructed to for his 50 million dollar lawsuit and several other botched testimonies, how can any jury or judge convict these cops.

Hey guys---

I hate labels---but I'm black...trust me...blacks are still racist. Ask any black person and they will tell you, blacks can be racist. Racism has noting to do with the color of your skin. It has to do with what you see on the news, what you see in video games, and what your watch in movies.

Trust me, minorities are racist.

This country has a long way to go and unfortunately we will never get there until history books are rewritten and there is a candid conversation on RACISM, SEXISM, AND HOMOPHOBIA.

"I'm still lost on how this is racist."

People probably thing that because the cop who wasn't black put 31 high-velocity holes in Sean Bell. Thirty-one!

And for all of those 'macho' types who enjoy letting all of us know just how quickly 31 bullets can leave a Glock, think on this: The human brain works by electrical impulses. Electricity moves close to the speed of light. That's so fast, that most of us cannot comprehend how rapid that is. If you truly believe that he did not have the time to react to this situation in the manner that he should have, you should really be questioning why a mentally retarded person was given a badge and a gun.

4 white cokehead stockbrokers parked in a limo outside the hustler club would not have been shot even if they sent ray kelly himself an email stating they would go get a rocket launcher and attached their arrest records in PDF format.

*The verdict gives a message that racism is acceptible.*

How is that exactly? you racist douche bag.

The black community should be more concern about cleaning up their lifestyle and stop the violence and drugs.

Why doesn't Sharpton take a stand on those issues?

The black community should be more consider about cleaing up their lifestyle and stop the violence and drugs.

Why doesn't Sharpton take a stand on those issues?

How is this a civil rights issue?

http://satiricalmilk.blogspot.com/

Fat Al Sharpton is a jackass and his followers are even more so.

[i]The verdict gives a message that racism is acceptible. [/i]

I'm still lost on how this is racist. Two of the cops were black. The cop who shouted "gun" was black. His actions prompted the other officers to believe that they were in danger and to open fire.

I'm sorry the guy is dead and that his friends were injured. But the cops actions were not criminal, as a matter of law.

Make a statement....

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There's a cottage industry in bashing the Great Reverend Al Sharpton.

This country has a long way to go in regards to race. A LONG WAY.

The verdict gives a message that racism is acceptible.

Between this and the fact that Barack Obama can't make a clean sweep is indication that the nation still has serious issues about race relations.

Several facts:

1) two of the cops were black--the third cop, Michael Oliver, was hispanic, not white as some commenters have stated.

2) it was Michael Oliver who fired 31 of the 50 shots.

This is not like the Diallo case where an obviously innocent and decent civilian was gunned down. Those guys with Bell had prior records. Did the cops overreact? Yes. However, they knew they were going into a very volatile situation. That club had a reputation for drugs, prostitution and violence.

The morale: if you want to stay out of trouble, don't go to a place known for it.

Evidiot: Yes, I saw that. They came off as arrogant. It was very difficult to watch. This whole situation sucks.

Here's is how the cops got off:

there were absolutely no credible witnesses.

The justice system worked, as usual.

Ahhhh - that's it. The Lord likes the cops more than the Bell family and friends.

You know - I just give up. I don't know the actual statistics but I believe from experience it is about 95% of everyone inhabiting this planet are working below the intellectual "mendoza" line.

Is it just me or did Rev Al Sharpton basically just give the Judge on this case a death sentence? They're going to protest at his house? Ugh, this will not end well.

I find it impossible to really say anything regarding this case because I wasn't presented the all facts. On the one hand, I think that 50 shots screams excessive force but calling out the judge seems really f'ed up. Does Sharpton just want someone to blame? And if it's the case, is the judge the one who should be held accountable? I dunno if that's going to solve anything. I worry for his well being. If I were his wife or kids, I'd be getting the hell out of dodge right about now.

I hope there are peaceful protests. Any act of violence is going to cause a lot more harm than good.

FYI: from peoplesjustice.org

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JUSTICE FOR SEAN BELL AND ALL VICTIMS OF POLICE VIOLENCE!!

Friday, April 25, 2008

5:30pm - 8:00pm

Location:

Queens District Attorney's Office

125-01 Queens Blvd. (between Hoover Ave & 82nd Ave.)

Jamaica, NY

[E or F train to Kew Gardens-Union Tpke stop & walk 4 short blocks SE, in direction of train]

Did anyone just watch the Detectives' Union's press conference? I have never seen such an immature public statement in my life.

They had an opportunity to gain some respect in the community after getting off scot-free for what they did. Instead, they used their press conference as a way to attack Al Sharpton, the prosecutors, and Sean Bell's family.

Also - doesn't the comment that acquitted these boneheads, "Let's go get my gun,"connote that at the time they DIDN'T have a gun?

"please do not call these cops racist - 2 of them were black so that pretty much eliminates that accusation."

Not Necessarily. You don't think black cops don't have preconceived notions about what other black people are doing in situations like these? Think again

But I agree that low pay attracts the bottom of the barrel. I'm surprised no one else got killed with the way they were shooting.

There will always be those who want to become cops. We all know the kid who stated he wants to be a cop when he grows up. and there are those who became cops due to the bad economy. they put in their twenty, work on a degree and when he's done has another career to move in to.

No drama, no malarky, no drinking, no cop politics, just a guy and a very nice guy, too. and, most importantly, STAYS OFF of NYPD RANT.

Once again, the so-called justice system has proven that the life of a Black man has no value. First it was Amadou Diallo, an unarmed Black man, killed in a hail of 41 bullets.

Now, the three police officers who fired more than 50 shots and killed Sean Bell, 23, on the morning he was to be married in November 2006 have been acquitted of all charges.

Bell, on the day he was to be married to Nicole Paultre, was unarmed and was inside his car, attempting to get away from three armed men who approached him, wearing civilian attire, without badges displayed and without identifying themselves as police officers, by most accounts. They must have appeared as menacing thugs to Bell.

Anyone in his right mind would try to drive and get away from men approaching in such a manner early in the morning, at 4 AM, after a night of partying at Club Kalua to celebrate an impending wedding.

How can the judge who ruled on the case justify the firing of more than 50 shots into a vehicle? One of the officers admitted that he did not even realize he had emptied his magazine and loaded another clip and continued to fire into the vehicle. This means the officers did not even know what they were firing at--which also means they could not have known whether they were in danger or not. Bell’s friends Joseph Guzman and Trent Benefield were both wounded in the shooting, with Guzman taking in 16 bullets.

The three officers most likely were drunk, and additionally possibly high on drugs, having spent all night at the club drinking while staking out the club. They supposedly went looking to prevent trouble; instead they committed the ultimate transgression--they murdered an innocent and unarmed man, likely because they were drunk, frightened and unprofessional.

Ironically, the Black Star News columnist Donald Winkfield predicted that this would be the outcome of this “trial” in his article two days ago.

Like the assassins of Amadou Diallo, these three killer cops, “detective” Michael Oliver, who reloaded his weapon and fired a total of 31 times, and “detective” Gescard Isnora walk away from charges of manslaughter, assault and reckless endangerment; “detective” Marc Cooper also laughs all the way home, having been acquitted of reckless endangerment. “Detective” Isnora fired 11 times, and “detective” Cooper, four times.

Justice Arthur Cooperman claims he found problems with the Queen’s County DA’s case, and that some prosecution witnesses contradicted themselves; he also reportedly cited prior convictions and incarcerations of witnesses.

Question to “Justice” Cooperman: What’s the relevance to the critical facts of the case? The officers fired with reckless abandon into Sean Bell’s car without even knowing whom they were firing at considering there were three people, all unarmed, inside the vehicle. Once the first officer started firing, the others, all presumably drunk, also opened up.

So this is standard police operation now.

We doubt that “Justice” Cooperman will have the last say on this matter.

Bell is survived by fiancée, Nicole Paultre, and daughters, ages five and one.

BLACK STAR PRESS

One of those jackass cops said that he thought he was being shot at - which he was - it was the other idiot cop he was in the line of fire of. Imagining the scene that night reminds me of a SNL skit. 3 knuckleheads all in the line of fire of eachother, eyes close, screaming, "Their shooting at us, their shooting at us!!!"

On a serious note - offering $25,000/yr. will only perpetuate the hiring of mental midgets who shoot wildly, RELOADING THEIR GUN TWICE, firing into train stations blocks away, peoples homes - people who should be considered not intelligent enough to be responsible to carry a weapon and more importantly, assess the seriousness of the situations they will inevitably find themselves in.

Must add - please do not call these cops racist - 2 of them were black so that pretty much eliminates that accusation.

Sorry if I was harsh Femi--you have a very well-said point. Don't leave the soap-box because of me.

I don't know where I stand on this. No matter what your opinion is, whether the shootings are justified or reprehensible, it's just sad that there's a kid out there without a father. Even if he had such a checkered past, or was at a strip joint, it's got to be tough to be his daughter from now on. It's sad when anyone loses anybody from a shooting--from a cop, to a civilian, to a soldier on either side of the skirmish. Just sucks.

i'm sorry but as i pointed out in the 2nd post, this is not about racism. the black cop identified himself cause "king kong ain't got nothin on him" & these thugs thought they could run & slammed on the gas. they have criminal minds & that's how they reacted. they should have watched chris rocks video on what to do.

seriously, i've been stopped by the po-po many times (yes, i'm a minority) & i shut my f-ing mouth & say "sir" as sincere as possible because i know they will shoot me if i sneeze. & they will shoot because everybody hates them & they know if they don't shoot, they'll get shot.

Wesley Snipes got 3 years because he broke the law, the cops were doing their job.

That was totally reckless behavior that should not have been dismissed because 'oh well whoops we made a mistake.' To have them all walk unscathed is a disgrace to the justice system and humanity.

Am I the only one who finds the "Front Sight Firearms Training Institute" banner at the top of the page somewhat amusing?

bxbrian you are totally right.

what i should have said is the length of time it takes to read my post was irrelevant. the point is that it's really sad that we live in a society where more value is placed on money than life.

Wesley Snipes got 3 years for not paying taxes and the men who killed Sean Bell go home. It's sad.

And it's not just this case, it's the society we live in. Authorities put bad check writers in jail but let child molesters out. We kill innocent Iraqi overseas under the thin veil of freedom.

It's just sad.

But I will get off my soap box now.

That's not to say that the comment to which you're responding wasn't also rude.

okay Femi Redwood, not only was that last point a bit rude and off-topic, it also didn't really prove your point (there's no indication of where words break in your user id).

Sorry, I just don't think this topic should veer off into name-calling and grammar policing. It's too important for that.

Yeah, saw this coming from March 3, 1991.

Patrolmen's Benevolence Association president Pat Lynch said that he's grateful for the verdict but "there's no winners...there's no losers. There's a death that occurred

NO LOSERS????

OCCURRED???????

"FemiredWood--

Are you that ignorant to think that 3 guys firing all those shots would take anywhere nearly as long as it takes to read all that?"

actually, it's femi redwood. not FemiredWood. and if it takes you that long to read that, then you are the ignorant one my dear. instead of reading gothamist, practice reading on a level more advanced than eighth grade.

midtown, my attempt was not to refute your point but rather, to offer one reason why some blacks might feel more threatened by the potential for reckless police to harm them by the likelihood for statistical patterns to result in injury or death. There are many other reasons, some anecdotal and others can be supported by sociological studies that have shown the influence of race on law enforcement officials in assessing (and acting upon) a threat.

All three cases - Bell, the NJ teens (a Peruvian man was charged there, I believe), and the corrections officer were tragic to be sure. The problem of crime in poorer communities and specifically, the high levels of violent crime prevalent in primarily poor black communities is well-documented. Of course, this is why neighborhoods with high crime rates are considered "dangerous." This is certainly a problem that needs as much attention as the other problem. Unfortunately, there isn't enough expressed public interest to give those problems sufficient attention.

Regardless, this story is about a different issue, which is potential abuse of authority. One should not have to expect any interaction with a law enforcement official simply because one is black or any other race. I'm not one of those types to make inflammatory statements about "open season" on blacks. At the same time, I will suggest that a situation like the Bell case brings out all of the fears and concerns that many blacks - poor or otherwise have expressed about "the police."

Am I the only one that expects to get shot when trying to run over a cop?

I think the White Cop was guilty of shooting the Black guy. But the Other 2 Black Cops were justified in shooting the Black Guy cause they are black.

im just having fun while waiting for the riots to begin, hopesully some hipsters and gentrifiers and sva skanks paying high rents on mommie's money will be scared out of nyc for years,

"Carelessness is not a crime."

It is when you have a gun and are shooting at people.

okay ihateallbrokers, there's a site already designed to aggregate news stories [http://www.digg.com/].

Why not post all those there, because your input isn't really driving the conversation anywhere.

Poor Nicole and Sharpton. Yeah, right.

Glad the cops weren't found guilty.

The shooting occurred on the night of April 23, 1998, as Keyshon Moore of the Bronx drove three friends to a basketball camp in North Carolina and the two troopers stopped his van near Exit 7A in Cranbury. Within a minute, the troopers fired 11 times, seriously wounding three of the men. The officers said later that they had stopped the van for speeding and fired because it began to move backward and they feared it might run over Trooper Kenna.

Because the van's occupants were unarmed, the shooting led to an outcry from black and Hispanic drivers, who had complained for years that they were routinely pulled over solely because of their skin color.

State Police officials denied that there was any evidence of profiling, despite a Gloucester County judge's 1996 ruling that found compelling evidence of widespread profiling. Governor Whitman defended the department until February 1999, when she ordered an investigation, and two months later became the first New Jersey official to acknowledge that troopers engaged in racial profiling.

Such a sad case for both sides. (It's not like these cops get to go back to their old lives in peace.) I'm afraid the upcoming choreographed outpouring of "grief and rage," however, will make me want to barf. If my husband, the night before our wedding, had been hanging around a strip club with gun-toting, altercation-prone buddies, and if in addition to that, he had a drug-related criminal record, I would still be heartbroken if he died in a hail of police bullets. But I would not be shocked. The best way for young men of any color to reduce their chances of being victims of police misjudgment or misconduct is to scrupulously avoid criminal behavior, criminal hangouts, and criminal friends--i.e., the entire "thug lifestyle," even its appearances and its fringes. There are lots of other things they can do to fill up their time: become good fathers, work hard, stay in school, build up their communities through volunteer work and advocacy. In other words, all the things that the law-abiding majority of young black men do. (And it is still a majority, despite the racial disproportion in crime stats.) Then, after one short generation, we will see a big difference in how police and young black men perceive one another.

Of course, Sean Bell's family still has the option of a civil trial.

I would just like everyone to notice, and laugh at the fact that there is an idiot with an IRA picture, defending the cops.

everydaydreamer -

since you use an anecdotal experience to try to refute what I am saying, I will respond in kind.

you stated:

"I'd expect that such b-on-b violence is concentrated amongst people affiliated with or surrounded by criminal elements."

Tell that to the corrections officer murdered the other day by thugs trying to steal his motorbike...or the college kids in the playground in Newark. Were they not "innocent" victims?

Andre Burgess was walking down a New York street in 1997 when an undercover federal agent shot him in the thigh, saying he thought the foil-wrapped Three Musketeers candy bar in his hand was a gun.

Critics of police shootings have said racial stereotypes factor into officers' perceptions of threats. Some studies, for example, have shown that police use less force on white suspects than on nonwhite suspects. Thomas, Bell, Diallo, Burgess and Coppin were black.

NYPD instructors say recruits are repeatedly cautioned to be aware of their surroundings and to try to take cover and assess a situation before opening fire

When A Candy Bar Or Hairbrush Leads To Gunfire

NEW YORK (AP) ― A candy bar, a wallet, a pair of baggy pants, and now a hairbrush.

The killing of a hairbrush-brandishing Brooklyn teenager last week was the latest in a line of police shootings around the country where officers were confronted with what they thought was a deadly weapon, but turned out to be something much more innocuous.

The shooting has revived criticism of deadly police shootings of unarmed suspects and renewed, once again, the debate over the use of force, perceptions of threats, and police training

The NYPD says that the officers who unleashed a torrent of 20 bullets on 18-year-old Khiel Coppin on Nov. 12 were justified in their use of force.

The mentally ill teenager approached officers outside his mother's home with a black object in his hand—the hairbrush—and repeatedly ignored orders to stop.

hey eyecantspell still think the pope did not actively attempt to protect pedophiles?

the one thing that is not in tatters is the NYPD's reputation— to be so blunt, it's more like vice versa...

On the night of April 23, 1999, troopers James Kenna and John Hogan opened fire on a van they had stopped for speeding on the New Jersey Turnpike near interchange 7A in Mercer County. The officers said they fired, wounding three of the four young minority men inside, when the van lurched back toward them. Cochran and legal cohorts from New York appeared at a press conference with the wounded young men and disclosed that victims had no drugs in the rental van, but did have a Bible. Filled with "hoop dreams,'' the young men were headed to a basketball clinic at a North Carolina college.

no former crackdealers, weapons possesions, or rapper thug dreams on the nj turnpike that day!!!

Out-of-control cops hurts the city in lives lost, money spent (you and I pay for this lengthy mess of a trial) and leaves (what little is left of) the NYPD's reputation in tatters.

COUGH! Richard Brown COUGH!!!

This discussion is stupid. Unless any of you were at the trial and heard all the testimony, you simply aren't qualified to comment on whether justice was served.

Agree to the extent comments suggest the person has better knowledge on what took place than the finder of fact. However, this is a trial that will inevitably have spillover effect in the days to come, most of the response is emotional, and to the extent it can be discussed rationally, it should be.

A bunch of people outside the courthouse chanting KKK doesn't make much sense. The outrage which is felt by some in response to this verdict, who perceive this as the cops getting away with murder of an unarmed man, 50 shots, etc... well, that perspective exists, is understandable under these muddy factual circumstances, and discussion is warranted and healthy.

Thankfully Pb is still cheap.

Cochran and legal cohorts from New York appeared at a press conference with the wounded young men and disclosed that victims had no drugs in the rental van, but did have a Bible. Filled with "hoop dreams,'' the young men were headed to a basketball clinic at a North Carolina college.

This young black man, that did not have a record and was not doing aything wrong

Getting arrested twice for dealing crack and once for firearms possession doesn't count, huh?

As someone who has shot guns on occasion

shooting a full clip is quick, not only that, once you start shooting, you cant stop cus its so fun.

When someone (Who DID not identify himself as a cop)

You know this as fact, how?

midtown - statistically speaking, perhaps. Unfortunately, the violence that occurs in black-on-black situations is more than likely easier to read/anticipate. Further, I'd expect that such b-on-b violence is concentrated amongst people affiliated with or surrounded by criminal elements. On the other hand, it seems relatively clear that simple misunderstandings between law-abiding citizens and police officers can quickly spiral out of control when you're black.

I cannot speak to the Bell situation without having analyzed all of the available facts, but I can speak from the fearful experience of having been pulled over by State Trooper with friends and having them threaten to search our car with police dogs because they suspected us of running drugs. In fact, we (4 of us, all in suits) were on our way back from a meeting with several state legislators and were riding in a friend's car with out-of-state tags and a John Glenn for Congress bumper sticker.

My experience with other blacks who might perpetrate violence on others is that they don't mess with you as long as you mind your own business. I've been confronted by more whites than blacks over time.

I can't wait for the movie to come out. I love feel good films.

NJ State troopers shot three unarmed black and Hispanic men after stopping their van on the New Jersey Turnpike...oh right...they where thugs or just college athletes, the only weapons and contraband found in the van were bibles...

right the van rolled down a ditch, the trooper thought his life was in danger and fired,,,

you people watch too many movies, shooting a car full of people does nothing to stop a moving car, it does not blow up like in the movies

i would probably duck down and try to run your ass over if you were shooting at me. but you sheeple think that these cops can just fire one round and plug a driver in the head and the car stops, then they surround the car with guns

drawn pop the doors open and ak47's and kilos of heroin fall out and the cops give each other high fives, cut to the ceremony where the squad commander pins medals and calls them heros for saving the community and they pose for pictures shaking the mayor's hand, this is bullshit, this does not happen,

This discussion is stupid. Unless any of you were at the trial and heard all the testimony, you simply aren't qualified to comment on whether justice was served.

SD, I agree that if Isnora did not identify himself as a cop, Bell's response was understandable and justified.

But Isnora said that he did identify himself, and the judge found him credible. You might believe differently, but I don't see how you can say that Isnora did NOT identify himself as if it is a fact. You don't know that for a fact, you just suspect it to be so.

the cops might have been responding based on prejudice.

But Isnora, who was the key to everything that happened, and fired the first shots, is black. Cooper is also black.

That, of course, does not mean Isnora and Cooper aren't racist or suggest that they weren't responding differently to Bell, Guzman & Benefield as three black men as opposed to three white men.

However, because Isnora and Cooper are black, they can rebut the presumption they are racist. White cops, on the other hand, at least in the minds of some, have an irrebuttable presumption of being racist.

Eh, it is what it is. This wasn't some black and white Amadou Diallo or Abner Louima case. I don't see how either side can vehemently argue that justice was or was not served. It's a sad and tragic case, and the judge had a very difficult decision to make. It's been made, and I think people should respect it.

"This isn't about race. This is cop vs. thug. These jerk-offs dress like thugs, act like thugs, talk like thugs, and then they're shocked when they get treated like thugs."

Riiiiggghhht....

Look, When someone (Who DID not identify himself as a cop) jumps right in front of a car with a gun drawn, you try to get away.

It has nothing to do with your race baiting nonsense.

NYC isn't safe for white new yorkers now. When will the riots and payback murders start? It happened in LA, it will happen in NYC.

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Despite all the hypberbole about cops declaring open season on black men...a black man has much much more to fear from another (civilian) black man than the cops. That be keepin' it real.

Absolutely take to the streets to protest about voilence in the hood, but directing it at cops is missing the target (bad pun intended).

femiredwood

Ever shot a Glock before????

I have.

In the time for you to read that I've emptied a clip.