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A mother of three young children was fatally shot when she stopped by a makeshift shrine for a rapper who was killed last week. Police say 27-year-old Nancy Williams was hit by apparently random gunfire behind the Stuyvesant Garden Houses on Gates Avenue.
Fans of rapper Leval Lyde had gathered to remember him a week four days after he was gunned down on Clinton and Fulton Avenues. A cop explained to the Post, "They were all out back having an Irish wake and someone decides to fire an automatic weapon."
The Daily News reported Williams, whose children are 10 years old, 8 years old and 8 months old, was hit "as she tried to flee the rowdy scene" and died at Brookdale University Hospital. A friend told the News, "She was an excellent mother. She was living for her kids. The community just has to change. Get along with each other, don't kill each other." The shooter, who fired seven rounds, has not been identified.
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This is the most depressingly meta thing I've read all day.
wow. is she the one that owned the Jag he was borrowing when he was killed? pretty crazy.
I won't blame the victim, but this should be a lesson to the others at the wake. As long as you keep buying or admiring rap music that glorifies thug life in your hood, you will remain in danger. Words of violence only beget more violence and the cycle of retribution never ends.
"I won't blame the victim, but this should be a lesson to the others at the wake. As long as you keep buying or admiring rap music that glorifies thug life in your hood, you will remain in danger. Words of violence only beget more violence and the cycle of retribution never ends."
Huh?
Remember hoodies, "NO SNITCHING!" Nothing right comes from snitching.
did number 3 really just blame music? ...
What does a community have to do in order to get it through their heads that this shit has got to stop? They can do something about it. They can stop it. The neighborhood that I lived in Los Angeles, successfully got rid of the Bloods and Crips, of course they did not move to far away, but it was all about shunning them and not putting up with the crap. They had to do it in mass. But, it got the job done. Being poor is no excuse. Being ignorant is not an excuse. Get these shits out of the hood. Oh, and WTF, No Snitching? Why doesn't someone just kick the shit out of these dolts who spin that crap.
this will lead to some more wakes, probably a vigil or two..and nothing will change.
"Words of violence only beget more violence..."
Really? So if I said that I was going to beat you down and put you in the ground (rhyming seems to work more effectively), by your definition, you would then hit me instead of coming up with a verbal jab to counter?
How about instead of blaming a form of art that you, obviously, do not enjoy, you instead place the blame on the individual who fired the gun? Does that sound like a better idea? I know your comeback (if it can really be called that) for my solution: But, but, but the music is what's making these youths violent. Um, NO! What makes them violent comes from many, many, many more factors than music. And an individual needs to be held responsible for his own actions, so that he can't blame outside factors for his own incompetence in being a civilized human being.
It's easy to blame something that you fear and don't understand. It's much more difficult to get to the true root of the problem.
Extremely sad story.
When will the black community ever grow up and stop the violence?
http://stuffwhitepeoplelike.wordpress.com/2008/02/10/62-knowing-whats-best-for-poor-people/
TT gets a golf clap.
Extremely sad story.
When will the black community ever grow up and stop the violence?
July 17 is the scheduled date. Neat!
(please see July 17 entry in wikipedia for more information)
This is such a tragic story that to place the blame on a genre of music seems comical and very Bill O'Reillyesque. Spirit of 76 probably blamed Columbine on Marilyn Manson too.
Where was her husband when all of this happened?
I think '76 was talking more about the hip hop/rap as a cultural identity.
Unless I've misread it as well, what he/she was saying wasn't as glib as "music is the problem," rather it seems he/she was trying to say that the gangsta culture doesn't always hold non-violence as a virtue.
At the risk of getting lambasted by all of you, i think it's impossible to listen to violent music glorifying violence, and not have violent results as a byproduct. Just for a stupid example of the logic i'm using, spend a day reading Shakespeare's sonnets, and tell me that you don't think in iambs, or at least in a style mirroring that used in the poems.
number 11 beat me to it.
don't forget to pull yourself up by your bootstraps and if I can do it, so can you.
The music of course isn't totally to blame, but it sure is aggravating the situation. Let's not bury our heads in the sand here. But how you could even imply anything about blaming the victim here is absurd.
Meanwhile, I think Irish people should sue the cop who spoke to the Post for unfairly disparaging Irish wakes.
Sad day,
Natives of the Americas acknowledge the rain as a sign as of creator's sadness....
The most important being to 2 children....passed...
Tragic yes, but every day this government empowered by you does the same damn thing to the umpteenth degree in iraq amoung other places...
So ........ tell me what the Fu@k are you suppossed to do..
U. S. A.
U.S.A.
U!S!A!
U!S!A!
2nd Amendment at work!
#3 is right. Music isn't the only blame, but the idea that certain communities and individuals, especially those that are looked up to as role models, priding themselves on how 'gangsta' they are can't help.
Dillinger, Bonnie & Clyde, Tony Soprano, Richard III. All are examples of iconic anti-heroes that hold some appeal specifically because of their villainy. Generic cultural attractions to the outlaw underdog or boss are not limited to specific racial groups. And it's certainly no excuse or explanation for total jackassery like firing a gun randomly in a crowded area.
"Hip-Hop" in its purest sense is not to blame. It's this corporatized version of it that is marketed to these kids that is more to blame in terms of musical influences leading to violence. I live within earshot of some projects and ALL I ever hear coming out of that building is "gangsta" shit with lyrics about killing people and being a badass. Attempts at cultural relativity don't really work because, outside of Black Metal and Nazi Hate Rock, I can't think of another genre of music that so prolifically concerns itself with themes of violence against other humans. Not even punk. What they need to do is pump John Coltrane into these buildings so people can indulge in music that they can culturally relate to and that instills pride.
My question would be (and as I live in the area of both shootings, this is of more than passing interest): where do these people get their marksmanship training? Is there some sort of firing range deep within the hood that I haven't heard about? If any of you have ever taken target practice with a pistol, you know it's ridiculously difficult to hit a stationary object from close range, even with feet firmly planted on the ground, breathing normally, and stone cold sober. How in the hell does a single bullet (presumably fired from a moving vehicle) fell the rapper, and some drunken bum manage to steady himself and take dead aim in a crowd of people?
Sad day? Nah. Plenty of people die every day. This is nothing special--and nothing especially devastating. Just another day in the park for the Lord Almighty Jesus take it up in the ass.
So, let see. Random shooting at the wake of a rap "artist". I heard this one before. Shoulda seen it coming. This is not even absurd. It is fairly predictable.
Where's Al Sharpton?
How in the hell does a single bullet (presumably fired from a moving vehicle) fell the rapper, and some drunken bum manage to steady himself and take dead aim in a crowd of people?
Read the newspaper stories. Where are you getting this "dead aim" stuff? Or "drunken bum"? There was a guy spraying the crowd with an automatic weapon. He just made a lucky shot (well, unlucky for the mother).
I'm betting that the shooter was raised by a single mother, too.
Thank you, Great Society!
I believe they can be called single mothers since none of the offspring have matching fathers. And that has nothing to do with growing in an impoverished family.
Pathetic.