March 25, 2008
Paterson Did a Little Coke in His Time, What Gives?
We may have entered an unheralded era in political frankness with the inauguration of Gov. David Paterson. The new gubernatorial head admitted in an interview with NY1 political anchor Dominic Carter that he's done drugs; different drugs. And not experimenting; he used substances a few times.
Carter: Marijuana?Where's all the hemming and hawing about what the definition of "using" coke is? Smoking it? Snorting it? Speedballing? Paterson was sniffing a fine chablis and some cocaine fell up his nose? Bill Clinton could spend years of an independent counsel's time trying to wriggle out of those questions. George W. Bush could say it's irrelevant since he's found Jesus. Our Governor just cops to being a young man in the 1970s with an indiscreet, if not unusual past. Has NY found its first honest politician--willing to accept some responsibility for indiscretions on the way up, rather than falling back on them as an excuse (sex addict) on his way down?
Paterson: Yes.
Carter: Cocaine?
Paterson: Yes.
Carter: You have used cocaine governor?
Paterson: I'd say I was about 22-23. I tried it a few times, yes.
How will New Yorkers take this revelation? In preparation for tough times, will they accept a Governor who's just willing to be a straight-shooter with them? On the other hand, illegal drug use is just that: illegal. Is Patterson indemnifying himself by characterizing himself as shady in advance?




yah i saw him on the slopes last week...quite a good skier really...i'm sure albany's actually a great ski lodge for all of them
We've all had our problems, so cheers to the governor for being upfront an honest about them. It sounds like he wants to move on and do his job well. Revolutionary!
I don't care about the drug use. (I'm actually more suspicious of people who haven't dabbled in drugs.) As long as he isn't currently using, I couldn't care less. I also don't care about his love life.
I do care about policy. I care about how he plans to make New York a better place. I wish politics were more about policy and less about personal scandals.
#3
But but but...! Put yourself in the shoes of the average moron!
Big friggin' deal!
Everybody and their mother tried coke at least once in their lives in their twenties. So what? As long as he's not on drugs now, or addicted to anything that's going to make him unreliable, what the heck is the problem here?
We're a democracy and we're electing our peers to govern. He's our peer. He's no different than anyone I went to college with in this respect. And the same goes for his marital problems, which are no different from anyone else's, except that he's been honest about them, which most people aren't! Most people prefer to let their children and friends think they're are monogamous saints, only to have the truth come out when they're busted (alive or dead), totally disillusioning them, thereby guaranteeing psychotherapists' livelihoods.
Since when did everyone have to be perfect in this country, anyway? Since when did everyone's friends have to be perfect, too? What is coming over us? Are we all giant hypocrites, or what?
A politician that's actually honest!!?? Holy m*f*kin* Jesus H Christ on a popsicle stick! Incredible.
And as if half of the
...legislators in Albany aren't still doing coke off hooker's asses while their wives are away!
#3- classic drug user denial. Of course you don't care that he's never done drugs cuase you've done them yourself and want to feel good about yourself. I've never done a single drug willingly in my entire life even though my roommate was a pot dealer and I've had access to freebies. Sure, I wanted to use drugs but I've always stopped myself cause I know I have an addictive personality. It's called willpower. I hate all these people who have such a lax attitude towards drugs. People don't have to be perfect but people who lead need to be held to a higher standard or else what the fuck is the point of them holding higher office? There needs to be criteria met. I never heard paterson saying this stuff to get elected but now that he's won by default he has to air it out lest people dredge it out. I'll judge him in the first year of his governorship but his entrance leads a lot to be desired.
when he was 22-23? big deal. do you have any idea how many politians, cops, fbi agents, etc have done hard drugs?
I don't understand this "holier than thou" attitude some people have when it comes to drugs.
Get over yourself.
Hitler was a vegetarian and a nonsmoker who promoted nonsmoking campaigns back when it was still socially acceptable.
>I've never done a single drug willingly in my entire life even ?>though my roommat
I bet your one of those holier-than-thou people who has a cup of coffee every morning with your Prozac/Adderall/Xanax cocktail, and a glass of wine every night with the Ambien and Zyrtec. Look mom, I'm drug-free!!!
Churchill said something about an uptight politician that reads approximately:
"he has all the virtues I despise, and none of the vices I adore."
If you've never done drugs, good for you. As a person who has emptied a whiskey bottle more times than one probably should, I'll pass judgement on the man, not the substance use.
It's nice that politicians are starting to be honest about their own drug use. That's step one.
Anyone want to guess what step two is?
#11 - nope, not a single prescription drug nor alchohol. Although I'm proud of myself for not doing drugs I'm never holier than thou with my friends who abuse them like mad. I'm just pissed off at people who think using drugs isn't a big deal because they do it themselves and try to camouflage that fact by projecting that drugs are okay when other people do them.
Only in New York. Viva la Freedom.
Doctor Memory,
Step 2: Put your junk in that box.
babyhitler,
"#3- classic drug user denial. Of course you don't care that he's never done drugs cuase you've done them yourself and want to feel good about yourself."
Wow. We really do look at the world completely differently. Just to put things in perspective for you, I'd feel fine about myself if no one in the world had ever done drugs and I had (and, yes, I have done drugs). I don't look to others people to justify my own decisions. Perhaps you're projecting, babyhitler.
I beg to differ, babyhitler. As your user name illustrates, you o.d. on hatred over and over again as a commenter on this site. I suggest you try something less toxic to others.
See, what Paterson is doing is easing us into the big stuff. 6 months down the road and the above interview is going to sound like this:
Carter: Incest?
Paterson: Yes.
Carter: Pedophilia?
Paterson: Yes.
Carter: You have had sex with children Governor?
Paterson...
And you see where this is going.
Sounds like it's about time for our new Gov. to write a book.
I think when Gov.Paterson was young many people
did drugs remember"High Times"magazine on every news stand?.
Hitler by the way was addicted to Benzedrine
an amphetamine.
CR,
Drug use leads to pedophilia and incest?
Yikes.
Does it also lead to necrophilia? They never taught us this in school...
But, but...I thought drugs were bad. Well, if the governor did it, I guess it's okay.
What is the next thing we don't know about Paterson?
so much for the nerd stereotype.
this is like Raj from what's happening doing blow.
"I've never done a single drug willingly in my entire life"
Anyone else curious what that "willingly" is all about?
How much attention will we pay to the utter minutia of politicians lives? How much of this media supplied fodder will we eat until we are finally led to the slaughter of complete polarization and blackout of intelligent news coverage. Can we afford, as it happened today, to spend such a fantastic amount of time spinning Obama's words,
rather than focusing on the real issues that the nation faces.
In any case, Paterson did what he did. He's going to sleep better at night because he doesn't have to lie. We, as individuals, will either approve or disapprove. Let's leave it there. Let's fix something.
VanessaNYC: nwaw, just makin' a point how Patsy seems to be warming us up for something frightful to the American politcal conscious by easing us into it. First he cheats on his wife, then he tells us he did coke, perhps next he'll tell us he knocked over a few banks - who knows?
I'm not making any comment on drug use one way or the other, but I do think the full disclosure is a good thing. By talking about it himself, he's ensuring that the tabloids won't be able to have fun with this and disrupt his administration two years down the road.
I'm a little concerned that politicians now have to confess to the public about all of the miuntiae of their personal lives before going into office. That sounds not only invasive, it seems darn right puritanical.
Matty,
"I'm a little concerned that politicians now have to confess to the public about all of the miuntiae of their personal lives before going into office. That sounds not only invasive, it seems darn right puritanical."
I agree with you. But since the media is so blood thirsty for this stuff, getting the information out there in the early stages and all at once seems to be a politician's only defense.
I know plenty about Patterson, but I don't know anything about his political policies, other than that he is a democrat. Can anyone say what he stands for, which bills he sponsors, his voting record?
I couldn't, so I've Googled it. Here's some info, for anyone who cares more about his politics and less about who he has slept with and which drugs he did when he was 23:
http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2008/03/13/7673/
http://www.newsday.com/news/local/state/ny-stpate135611715mar13,0,4292084.story
The next thing we'll find out is he's a pimp. Mama Lucia.
mmmm that picture has got me fiending. i don't usually like to start up this early. thanks a lot gothamist.
"I'm just pissed off at people who think using drugs isn't a big deal because they do it themselves and try to camouflage that fact by projecting that drugs are okay when other people do them."
What about those people who don't do drugs but don't see a problem with adults using them as a form of recreation? And why are you so pissed about it? What does someone else's drug use have to do with you? Did a drug abuser touch you inappropriately? Did mommy and daddy smoke pot and forget to feed you?
And unless you're a Mormon, you do drugs every day. Caffeine is probably the most abused drug on the planet, but because it's legal and taxable, it's OK?
nope, I don't drink coffee or tea. the only time I had to use drugs was when I had my eyes lasered and they gave me half a tab of valium. If you count caffeine as a drug then you have serious problems. I don't judge my friends who use drugs cause they don't run for governor okay?
I count caffeine as a drug because it is a drug, as defined by its definition. As far as an elected politician goes, what does it matter if they did drugs in their early lives? Should you not be allowed into public office because of a youthful indiscretion?
It's not like the guy is doing lines off of a hooker's back and then walking into the NY State Assembly to give a speech about cleaning up the government.
I agree that it's true that we should hold these people to a higher standard, but would you rather have a pot-smoking governor who has the highest integrity and is completely honest or a goody-two shoes who sells his integrity to the highest bidder and lies through his teeth even when he's whistling?
Wow, BH just fyi, caffeine is DEFINITELY a drug, and so is alcohol. How does the fact that Mr. Paterson used drugs over 20 years ago have anything to do with anything?It really doesn't. Besides, my whole thing is that people who drink alcohol can get shitfaced legally, but I can't smoke pot and just like relax with my friends? Now I'm not saying that all drugs should be legal mind you, maybe if there were no drugs in existence then no one would debate whether or not they do this or that to people. But the fact is that drugs do exist and alcohol is definitely worse than pot, yet pot is illegal, which makes no sense. I'm so happy Paterson came out and said it so nonchalantly because its the people in public office who need to be more realistic about how the people feel about these issues and not walk around trying to pretend that they(Spitzer) and everyone else(BabyHitler) are a fucking saint when we're not and im sure you're not either babyhitler so stop acting like you're above people because you supposedly have some willpower or something. Have you ever considered the fact that people CHOOSE to use drugs?
wow, a 22 year old did something illegal, big deal. good for him for admitting it
FOR SHAME!!! :O
zomg, i can't believe i'm siding with babyhitler but vanessanyc's comment:
"(I'm actually more suspicious of people who haven't dabbled in drugs.)"
is just so offensive & ignorant that i have to point it out. it's really a way for people to justify their own drug abuse by making it seem as though drug abuse is normal. it may be widespread but it isn't normal. you people may be functioning recreational drug users but it would be dishonest to pretend that drugs don't have a negative effect on our economy & society in general.
whereas before he was our 1st black governor that could be used as an example for inner city children of what they could achieve, he is now someone that kids can use to justify their own illegal drug use. (oh, did you all forget that it's illegal?)
ps. thank you jeremyjoyce for an intelligent comment & Pharmer you godwin'd this thread! :P
What do people who've never done drugs and people who don't own a television have in common? (Answer: They love to tell everyone about it.) I think BH should start doing drugs right away, just like the actual Hitler did.
But really, did the NY1 people stop questioning Paterson after just that? I would have asked him about LSD, Vicodin, Oxycontin, PCP, Special K, ecstasy...whatever. Or at least a blanket question like, "Any other drugs?"
"it would be dishonest to pretend that drugs don't have a negative effect on our economy & society in general."
It is dishonest to think that the current policy called the "War on Drugs" has been anything but disastrous for our economy and society.
"example for inner city children of what they could achieve, he is now someone that kids can use to justify their own illegal drug use."
Suburban white people, of all income brackets, use drugs too. Often, much more than the "inner city children".
"Pharmer you godwin'd this thread!"
that Godwin's law is total horseshit. It is a self-censoring principle. And when you have a commentor called BabyHitler, the thread is basically Godwined a priori, even if all you are talking about is puppies or cupcakes.
Bottom line is that here is a politician that was honest about something that he had done. No, it is not a big issue. If we are to believe his statements then he did this years ago, probably before he even decided to get into politics.
Drugs are not the evil things that we have all been led to believe. Sure there are people with addictive personalities, but their lives have the possibility of being unmanageble due to that alone.
I've been smokin' pot almost every day of my adult life (except for my time in the military) and I have a beautiful wife and child, a great job and a wonderful home. Yeah, drugs are bad...
Good candor, Gov. Glad I voted for you. Now, how about leading the fight to amend/repeal some of the most draconian drug laws in the USA. The Rockefeller-era penalties have more than proven to be a waste of resources and selectively applied. Get rid of them!
zodak,
in response to your response to my comment...
"'(I'm actually more suspicious of people who haven't dabbled in drugs.)'
is just so offensive & ignorant that i have to point it out. it's really a way for people to justify their own drug abuse by making it seem as though drug abuse is normal. it may be widespread but it isn't normal. you people may be functioning recreational drug users but it would be dishonest to pretend that drugs don't have a negative effect on our economy & society in general."
Just for the record, I'm a pretty lame homebody. I'm married, stay home most nights and haven't done drugs in years (not since college). I drink a glass or two of wine a couple of times a month and I have coffee in the morning. I wouldn't call that a "functioning recreational drug user". When I did try drugs, it turned out that I didn't like them that much anyway. I was the clean dork amongst my friends and I was just fine with that.
When I say that I am suspicious of those who haven't tried drugs, what I mean is that I am suspicious of people who aren't curious. Since babyhitler is the one person on here saying that he has never done drugs and never wants to.... well... suspicion confirmed.
Moreover, Patterson did drugs 20 years ago!
you don't have to justify your drug use to me or anyone else. the problem is you (& others here) keep trying to justify it by saying people who don't try drugs aren't normal. that's not true. most normal people can read about something or see it's effects on others to know whether it is right for them.
there are a lot of people on dateline's to catch a predator, that doesn't mean pedophilia is normal. & it doesn't mean i have to try it to know that it's not for me.
it's perfectly normal to not try things 1st hand in order to determine it's value.
(i can't believe i'm still defending babyhitler!)
Yo! I don't watch television either. You know how much better that makes me than all of you? hahaa! LOl. No, I don't use drugs or watch Tv. But I don't brag about that to my friends. People choose to use drugs but people also choose not to do drugs and it's much harder not to choose to drugs in social situations. Peer pressure is a bitch. I've been offered so many drugs and alchohol in my life but instead of saying NO! and give a moral lecture I always say lie and say I'm on some allergy medication or something that would badly interact with said drug or alchohol and I'd take a raincheck. For some reason if you say you don't use drugs or alchohol at a party you are a social pariah but if you say you are allergic it's all good.
Zodak,
Trying a joint isn't the same as trying to molest a child.
Some think trying drugs is a normal part of youth, others think it's crazy. You seem to think it's crazy and that's okay with me. I didn't mean to say anything offense.
(By the way, I don't seriously distrust people who haven't tried drugs. I'm pretty sure that my good friend who is a priest hasn't smoked pot and I trust him. I said that only for dramatic effect and I should probably think through my thoughts more thoroughly before I post them.)
Basically, my point is that I (personally) don't care if Patterson did drugs 20 years ago or that he and his wife both had affairs. I think it's irrelevant to his job and, therefore, really none of my business.
What concerns me more are his political beliefs (Is he pro-choice? Does he support universal healthcare? Does he support gay rights? Does he believe in the death penalty? What has he accomplished during his political career?). I think that the media is doing a disservice to the people and a disservice to democracy by not focusing on politics and instead focusing on irrelevant (in my opinion) scandals.
The only reason he was candid was becasuse everyone in Albany was already talking about it!
He had no choice, you fools.
But now he's not so candid about his trips to Ohio and South Carolina with his $150,000 per year Lila Kirton, whom he claimed he stopped screwing 10 years ago. Using your taxpayer dollars.
At least Spitzer used his own money.
This slimeball uses our money to get high paying jobs for his whores.
Looks like he screwed at least 12 women in the last 12 months, but he's not so candid with his wife or the public about that.
Now he says, ohhh did I steal tax payer dollars for those expensive hotel rooms in Albany last year, the same nights Lila Kirton was in the hotel? Did I do that? Well let me take my wallet out, and I'll pay you taxpayers back right now. Okay, now let's move forward.
Why can't common burglars do that? Geez, is this your jewelry. How did that get in my car?
Officer, let me return that right now, and let bygones be bygones.
No, that only works for candid governors.
Dump this slime ball, and let's get someone of any political stripes who has a shred of integrity.
more coming on this soon.........
Staff Reporter of the Sun
March 25, 2008
State records seem to conflict with Governor Paterson's claim that a busy schedule as lieutenant governor required him on more than a dozen occasions to spend the night at expensive hotels in Albany on the taxpayer's dime rather than at his home in the suburbs.
A copy of Mr. Paterson's 2007 official schedule obtained by The New York Sun shows that sometimes Mr. Paterson opted to stay at a hotel the night before a day that was free of official morning activities.
Records suggest that many times Mr. Paterson's day did not begin until 9 a.m. On one occasion, he did not have his first scheduled meeting until 2 p.m.
Mr. Paterson used a state credit card to pay for 13 stays at Albany hotels — a boutique hotel near the Capitol Building called 74 State and the Crowne Plaza — between January 1, 2007, and late February of this year. As the New York Post reported yesterday, the rooms cost taxpayers between $100 and $500, for a total of more than $2,500.
Mr. Paterson, who had access to a chauffeured state vehicle, owns a house in the suburb of Guilderland, 11 miles away and about a 25-minute commute.