February 12, 2008
Obama, McCain Sweep Virginia, Maryland and D.C. Primaries
Hillary Clinton's February flop continued today as voters in Virginia, Maryland and D.C. turned out for Barack Obama by nearly two-to-one margins (in D.C. he won by 75% to 24%). According to exit polls, Obama not only did well with young voters, blacks and independents but, surprisingly, with certain demographics Clinton's been counting on: senior citizens, women and blue collar voters. Polls suggest 49% of those who voted for Obama were white and voters over sixty backed Obama by 52%.
Amidst the fallout, the Times reports that Mike Henry, Clinton’s deputy campaign manager, has resigned. Despite the shake-up, Clinton's camp says they're not sweating it because they're going to show everybody by winning big in Texas and Ohio on March 4th. And if necessary, they'll pull strings to seat the delegates from Florida and Michigan they'd previously agreed were disqualified.
On the Republican side, the major news outlets have all called Virginia, D.C. and Maryland for John McCain, winning over Mike Huckabee. In Virginia, McCain had 50% to Huckabee's 41%; McCain had 68% to 17% in D.C.; and with some of Maryland counted, McCain leads 56% to Huckabee's 29%. McCain needs 1,191 to clinch the nomination; at the moment he has 783 to Huckabee's 217, according to CNN estimates. Huckabee is being pressured to drop out of the race, but he told Larry King he's not quitting.
Polls were held open until 9:30pm in Maryland and D.C. due to snow; the moment they closed the networks immediately projected Obama as Maryland's winner. NBC is projecting D.C. for Obama and McCain. In all, 168 Democratic delegates were up for grabs in the Democratic contest. CNN currently pegs Obama at 1,181 delegates, Hillary at 1,173. Of that, Obama has a lead of 1,014 to 934 in pledged delegates -- people who can't change their minds at this year's Democratic convention. And Obama has now won 21 states to Clinton's 10.
But Clinton is still claiming an edge among superdelegates, those Democratic party big shots who are not beholden to the tawdry will of the voters. If neither candidate clinches the requisite 2,025 to seal the nomination, they may end up making a super mockery of the democratic process.
Next up: Democrats have contest next Tuesday in Hawaii and Wisconsin while Republicans have a contest in Guam on Saturday and Wisconsin next Tuesday.
Photo of Barack Obama at tonight's rally in Madison, Wisconsin by Morry Gash/AP; photo of John McCain at his Primary Watch headquarters in Alexandria, VA by J. Scott Applewhite/AP




Clinton's deputy campaign manager dropping out sounds like there's some panic. They may claim there isn't, but it doesn't send very good signals to the average Joe and Jane.
The pundits on MSNBC and CNN (which did include Friend of Clinton Paul Begala) kept emphasizing that Clinton is a formidable campaigner. And I like how Tom Brokaw said that Obama's campaign has taken rock star proportions.
WORD!
Obama is going to win. Tonight I really felt that for the first time. He looks and sounds like he's leading a movement-- and compared to him, when McCain took the stage, he looked small and old, and sad.
Hillary's Texas strategy is a total Giuliani retread-- Obama is going to rack up five more victories-- that'll make the total states something like 26 to 10 in his favor. With those wins, and three more weeks to grow this tidal wave of press and support, barring any huge surprises, he's going to be unstoppable.
How is Clinton justifying taking the delegates in michigan and florida that all concerned agreed were not to be taken?
Because now she wants them?
Never underestimate the intelligence of Americans. In our Idiocracy, we've been able to make Alvin and the chipmunks a 200 million dollar movie and Hannah Montana as 30 million last week. these are the dumbasses that will vote for Obama and then McCain. I never liked Hilary but she's the only viable candidate. I think Obama is the best speaker but the mere fact that he's black is gonna destroy the midwest whiteboy vote. Everyone in so excited he's on the ticket but the problem is that the people excited for Obama only live in BLUE STATES! the ones in the reds are too few a minority. If you really wanted Obama to win you would have moved to kansas, registered as a republican and when the curtain fell, then vote for Obama, as it is you guys are just preaching to the Choir and then you will lose to McCain in november.
ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the 21st century.
Remember the inspiring "Yes We Can" video made by supporters of Barack Obama?
Now McCain has his own version (a parody)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gwqEneBKUs
Everyone agreed that Michigan and Florida wouldn't count -- Obama and Edward's names weren't even on the ballot in MI.
But now that Clinton is sinking fast, she suddenly wants MI and FL to count? She's grasping at straws and is showing herself to be a sore loser.
What's it going to take babyhitler? Obama beat Hillary in every demographic today. You're showing an amazing ignorance of our electoral system. Since when has a democrat candidate had to rely on the midwest to win an election?
Despite that, he'll carry Illinois handily, and he'll make a huge run at southern states like Georgia, Missouri, and South Carolina. He'll take all the normal blue states and I'm betting he'll take Ohio too. Being from Ohio orginally (so, one of your midwest whiteboys), I can tell you that you don't know as much about the midwest as you think you do.
An interesting fact:
15 million Democrats voted on Super Tuesday
9 million Republicans voted on Super Tuesday
This is not good news for the Republicans.
http://www.time-blog.com/swampland/2008/02/super_tuesday_the_most_interes.html
Ive had this feeling in my gut for the past year that a vote for Hillary would be a vote for another 4 years of the Bush-Clinton Dynasty.
Now that there is talk of her taking those votes in FL and MI I am now absolutely *convinced* that as Pres. it will still be the same old govt. up to its same tricks. If she does it I would hope that everyone would cry foul just like they would if it was Dub.
alright, you guys are just too blinded by idealism to see it. When the sting of reality hits it's gonna hurt. I saw this with Nader and the green party in 2000 and it's coming back. This is why the Dems lose all the time. Too much fracturing and pride in special interests and not being able to see the bigger picture. Karl Rove sees it. Like Icarus who flew too close to the sun just don't get burned. Hey, good luck, just don't say you weren't warned.
baby hitler needs a bottle.
and goya51: when has a democrat had to rely on the midwest to win an election? the last democrat to win, Bill Clinton! he won almost half the midwest! he won montana, colorado, nevada, illinois, missouri, arkansas, louisiana, ohio, kentucky, tennessee, georgia, and west virginia! all these states gore and Kerry lost and are essential to becoming the president of the United States. Now, I know alot of Obama Supporters might think just carrying their blue states were dems live will be enough but it isn't. I don't understand you people, don't you guys know how elections are won?
uh oh. babyhitler just pooped his pants.
seriously, i'm not changing them again.
VanessaNyc: is that the best you can come up with? how about critiquing my points, like the way I went after yours and goya51's and showing their folly basing it in reality and backing it up with facts and figures? You know like debate?
Babyhitler,
Yes I Can debate. Yes I Can reason.
But basically I just think that you're wrong and I'm not sure which points I should argue against; you're basically just giving us an opinion. I think that you're naive. I think you are so jaded that you honestly can't even conceive that a leader can unite people toward a common goal.
I agree that swift-boaters exist. I agree that there are hicks and idiots, sexists and racists. I don't think these people should decide my vote for me and I'm not going to wait until they make up their minds before I rally behind the candidate that I believe in.
Peace.
Personally, I appreciate that babyhitler is actually discussing things for a change, instead of just trying to say the most offensive thing possible. I don't agree with the opinions, but I appreciate the discussion. Just saying.
Seriously? Nader in 2000? There was like 3% of the country that ever thought he had a chance in hell. He didn't win primary after primary appealing to every single demographic before entering into the the general election. Obama is a tried and true, unlike your analogy.
Yeah, Clinton did well in the Midwest in '96, but Gore only needed Florida, and Kerry only needed Ohio. And a point of order, Colorado, Arkansas, Kentucky, Tennessee, Georgia, and West Virginia are not part of the Midwest, and Missouri is arguable at best. So "showing my folly" there is doubtful to say the least. You're just trying to find a way to cloak your racism in some sort of political strategy. Your screen name is "babyhitler", how seriously can I take your opinions on race?
I heard a piece on the news tonight saying that Obama's win tonight was African Americans and white men.(sometimes referred to as "white boys')
Oh, and if you're going to pull out Icarus as a metaphor here, try to remember the whole story: Daedalus told Icarus not to fly too close to the sun because his wax and feather wings would melt, but he also told him not to fly too close to the ocean, as the wings would become damp and cease to work. Its an allegory warning against extremes in attitudes, so it applies just as well to your extreme pessimism as it does to some of Barack's extremely optimistic supporters.
I am here to officially apologize about my comments about babyhitler's diaper and bottle. I, too, appreciate the real debate instead of snide and offensive comments.
See, I had a glass of wine tonight.
Peace :)
well you never know. Celebrity does sort of transcend race. I don't know many white people who hate Michael Jordan. So, if Obama can get to that level of blinding celebrity maybe he can win. peace.
If anonymous commenters on a blog can calm down and disagree civilly, maybe there's hope for the country after all...
The pundits know nothing and just yammer on like idiots citing meaningless and unscientific polls to fill hours of 24 hour cable news that would otherwise be filled with the misadventures of some pop tart, missing white woman, or some other garbage that just increases the speed of rotation of Edward R. Murrow spinning in his grave.
Obama is just a brand, that looks good, seems hip and has good production values, but it is more of the same old political garbage. When Obama is finally revealed to the masses as just another political hack in a sea of political hacks they'll be shocked and disheartened when they find he is just another political phony.
At least you know all of that with Hillary going in.
It seems a bit less worse than the Republican freak show, though.
If Air Jordan ran for president, I'd vote for him. I mean, since we are disregarding experience and voting on sensationalism and "rock star" quality, I would cast my vote for him, no questions asked.
Why not give your Airness a chance for four years to experiment?
Economy? Mike's got product endorsements. Buy his stuff.
Healthcare? Get your ass to the basketball court.
Iraq? Settle that with a slam dunk contest.
Experience? Mike's been working in Illinois far longer than a junior Senator.
Foreign policy? Who doesn't like Mike? Let's have all the foreign dignitaries over and talk about it over a steak dinner.
Change? Try golf.
Proven points leader and arguably one of the most influential figures in the world of sports. Mike is an inspiration to our younger generations.
Sound far-fetched? You might not admit it, but Mike seems like a more qualified candidate than our star candidate of the moment. If you are going to vote on celebrity appeal, at least vote for a real celebrity.
if necessary, they'll pull strings to seat the delegates from Florida and Michigan they'd previously agreed were disqualified. a.k.a. cheating.
when McCain took the stage, he looked small and old, and sad McCain might be older but he is hardly sad or small. He is someone who has sacrificed a lot for his country, and who has demonstrated time and again a willingness to work across the aisle to get things done, and is principled enough to be willing to stand up for what he believes in. Only a few months ago, the pundits had counted McCain out- he was out of money, was lingering in the polls, and wasn't considered conservative enough to win the Republican primary. He might not be as young or pretty as Obama, but thinking people recognize that he is a person who has proven himself deserving of respect.
" McCain might be older but he is hardly sad or small..."
Kind of an odd post. You counter someone's observation with platitudes about McCain's service. I don't really get your argument. Like it or not, physical appearance does matter in the TV age. It isn't fair, but neither is life.
I have to agree with eyekantspel about McCain. Though I don't want him to win, I think he's worthy of respect for a lot of things he's done.
[i]I don't really get your argument. [/i] Jake's comment was not that McCain is not as visually appealing as Obama. It was that he looked small and old and sad. Obviously McCain is going to look old compared to Obama. The description of "small and sad" is what I don't agree with. I don't think the small comment was about height. Obama's taller than Hillary, or Bloomberg, but I doubt that the description of small would be used for them. I guess the comment struck me as being ageist. People age differently- there are people in their 70s who are strong and healthy, and there are people in their 50s who are tired and worn out. McCain may not be in the prime of life, but he is not a feeble doddering old man.
time for the old man and his pals to go.
did you see his speech with the other old men beside him? Sen Warner is even OLDER than McCain.
youth alone is not a compelling reason to support someone, and age, alone, should not be a reason to be against someone. The argument might be that it's time for someone with a fresh perspective- McCain has been in Washington for as long as many readers of gothamist have been alive. But age is a separate thing.
Warren Buffet is 78. I'd rather he take care of my investments than someone half his age, because he's proven himself capable, and is sharp despite his age.
Can someone please give me the sports section?
BabyHitler-- THIS is why the rest of the country hates New York. As a native Midwesterner (voted for Obama as Senator of IL before moving here two years ago), I'm infuriated with the constant stream of New Yorkers masking their own prejudice in terms of who the "fly-over country-bumpkin Midwesterners" will and won't vote for. It's a simple-minded and demeaning analysis.
To wit: There have been three African American Senators since the re-construction, TWO of whom were elected by the State of Illinois, one of whom was a woman (Carol Mosley Braun). Chicago elected an African American mayor some seven years before Liberated New York City did. Minnesota elected a black, Muslim to the House of Representatives. Don't tell me who the Midwest will and won't vote for.
Also, in general, can we (AS A NATION) from here on out please discuss politics and assume that John McCain's service to the country and bravery in Vietnam is a given. Do we have to waste the oxygen pointing it out ALL THE DAMN TIME? I know he's a hero, I know he served valiantly, survived hellish circumstances...WE ALL KNOW IT. It is not, however, germane in any way to how he would serve as president. So, please, let's stop discussing it so we can discuss issues that directly impact this race, okay?
eyekantspel,
Warren Buffet endorses Obama. Just saying.
"I've got a conviction about him that I don't get very often. He has as much potential as anyone I've seen to have an important impact over his lifetime on the course that America takes. If he can do an ounce better with me, fine." - Warren Buffet
p.s. I'm not trying to debunk your argument. This has nothing to do with your argument really, but you brought up Warren Buffet, so I thought that I'd mention it.
I'm with you babyhitler. I'm so tired of Obama's rhetoric. I bet most young voters have no idea what it's like not to have health insurance. Voters are mostly stupid, that's why we have an electoral college and Superdelegates.
purplerodriguez,
"I bet most young voters have no idea what it's like not to have health insurance."
If they did know, do you think they'd vote for McCain? He, by no means, is in favor of universal healthcare.
I'm really, really excited about this. OBAMA is the bomb-a.
VanessaNYC,
No, I do not support any republican, I support Hillary. I'm not sure what's on the mind of young voters but it seems to me that they vote for silly reasons. ObamaGirl didn't even vote!
http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/02/06/obama-girl-didnt-vote/
"Universal healthcare" sounds like a great idea, and the folks lap it up. But how do you propose to fund and maintain this?
Dear likesrudylikesbooty,
Universal healthcare, like education, the police force, and fire fighters is a public service and is paid for through taxes. This system is much more economical that for-profit healthcare as it is a not-for-profit system (large corporations to not take billions of dollars of revenue at the expense of our health & well-being). The majority of the money spent goes to the people.
Most developed nations have a universal healthcare system. It's not impossible, it doesn't make countries broke and it benefits the people. These systems rank far better than the US system based on the World Health Organization's assessments.
If you'd like to do more research on this topic, here are some places to get started:
http://boston.com/news/globe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2007/08/11/frances_model_healthcare_system/
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/extra/features/jan-june04/uninsured_1-19.html
These are just a few. Google the subject.
Peace & good health to you.
:) Vanessa
Toby, if Obama is just a brand, how has he been able to skillfully outmaneuver the powerhouse that is Hillary Clinton? I don't believe that you can chalk it all up to the media. He's even got McCain borrowing his tag lines now. What he's done takes skill my friend, believe it or not.
Babyhitler, I wrote a response to you regarding Obama, but I lost it in the Gothamist server. Sorry.
Whoops... it's in yesterday's election thread.
Warren Buffet endorses Obama. Just saying. I have no problem with Obama, and have posted his merits over Hillary as the Democratic nominee on several occassions.
My point was that depicting McCain as small and tired simply because he is older is itself small and tired. No doubt age can be a factor in memory and vitality for some, but there are a lot of older people who are as sharp as they come.
eyekantspel,
"My point was that depicting McCain as small and tired simply because he is older is itself small and tired. No doubt age can be a factor in memory and vitality for some, but there are a lot of older people who are as sharp as they come."
I completely agree with you.
John McCain also was part of the Keating Five. That's some's hero.
John McCain also was part of the Keating Five. That's some's hero.
If this is in rebuttal to my point, I never called him a hero; and it is hardly surprising that in all that time in office you can find something to criticize.
Hillary refuses to release her tax records until after she is nominated (so I guess that's never), and let's not bother to look at all the things that she and Bill have been accused of.
Not that anyone cares about the Keating Five, it does shows McCain's bipartisan spirit, since the other 4 members were Democrats.
oh, and another cute tidbit from your link, Elderta, "DeConcini [one of the Keating Five] was appointed by President Bill Clinton in February, 1995 to the Board of Directors of the Federal Home Loan Mortgage Corporation."
Obviously Bill Clinton didn't see the Keating Five thing as a big issue, so I doubt many people are going to care much about it now. A group of mostly Democratic senators sticking up for a friend sort of pales in comparison to Clinton's pardon of FALN, Marc Rich, Susan MacDougal (for refusing to testify about Whitewater), etc.