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Hillary Clinton proved the polls and pundits wrong with her New Hampshire primary win last night and dominated the front pages for a second day in a row. Clinton and John McCain, who won the Republican primary, are being called comeback...adults as New Hampshire polling centers had record turn outs. WNBC's Gabe Pressman writes that their wins are a defeat for pollsters and journalists who had written them off.
Clinton chalked up at least part of her success to her misty moment, but some of it may also be attributed to the Saturday night debate where she got to address issues about her likability in a humorous (for her) manner and where Barack Obama and John Edwards seemed to gang up against her. Female voters, especially, those over age 40, seemed to come out to support Clinton.
Candidates are concentrating on Nevada and South Carolina next, with New York, Florida, Michigan and other stats on Super (Duper) Tuesday on February 5th. Obama will be in Jersey City today, looking to stir up some interest from Clinton's zone.
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How come Goose Gossage only made the cover of one paper???!!
This is the biggest problem facing America: Our priorties are completely screwed up.
All I can say is thank God the people of NH made a good decision. People may hate her, but at least the woman has a plan and wants to stop the backward slide this country has been in for the past eight years. How is Barak Obama going to go about repairing our standing on the international stage. Talking about change is great, but implementing it is something else.
If people want fairy tales about how someone is going to make everything better for them without anything substantial to back up the rhetoric, they can go to church.
"thank God the people of NH made a good decision."
They made a decision based on her personality. That doesn't constitute a good decision.
Whoa is Hillary, running for president is so hard she had to cry.
That's no reason to vote for a condidate, IMO.
I meant "woe" sorry.
Crying and playing the white woman card aren't on my list of qualifications for POTUS either.
Mrs. Clinton has a plan allright- she thinks she deserves to be president.
Why? ya got me, apparently she only just found her "own voice" two days ago. Will someone pleeze tell me, in whose voice then has she been speaking up until then? this baloney is sliced very thin.
So much for all those who said showing her emotions would sink her.
clearly, crying over exhaustion of a campaign, vs defending your wife from being called a whore, is completely different.
I want a Presidential candidate to view getting elected as a means to an end. To me, it seems like Hillary views getting elected as the end itself.
Agree with Tgirl and JMH.
She just found her voice? Her run doesn't seem to be driven by anything more than satisfying her own ambition.
MT says "People may hate her, but at least the woman has a plan and wants to stop the backward slide this country has been in for the past eight years."
First, yes, some people DO hate Hillary- she is a divisive candidate, much more so than Obama.
As for the backward slide she wants to stop, what has she been doing in the Senate?? Has she just been along for the ride all this time?
I, for one, have NO idea what Hillary's plan is except for Hillary to be President. Health care, immigration, Iraq, taxes... what is her plan? As near as I can tell, it's just more of the same.
Take that John Edwards. Guess it isn't the two man race you thought it was. Two person? Yes. Two man? Not so much.
You might want to start sucking up to both of 'em now for that VP bid... always a bridesmaid, never a bride.
I do wish Edwards would just get out, let the voters's focus on Hillary and Obama without the sideshow. I wonder if those Edwards' supporters will gravitate to Hillary or Obama?
correction: voters's = voters
How is Barak Obama going to go about repairing our standing on the international stage.
How is Hillary Clinton? Is she going to wave the magic wand and make it 1992 again? Seems like a good portion of her voters think this is going to happen. Personally, I want it to be 1999 and Nasdaq 5000.
Edwards voters would go to Obama I think. They both have an RFK populist thing in common (along with being dynamic public speakers).
I wish the Clinton and Obama sides would be more civil to each other. They'll need to work together soon.
Iron My Shirt! (Bytch!)
Expect more "protesters" at her rallies as the Clintons add a new chapter to their playbook - "Eliciting the Sympathy Vote."
Obama is less divisive simply because his political and public life is much shorter than Hil's. Things will get more interesting for him as he wins more primaries (and he will) and the media attention shifts onto to him.
their wins are a defeat for pollsters and journalists who had written them off
While I almost wish polling was banned the Clinton "comeback" was a result of people getting caught up in Obama's Iowa win and not being truthful to themselves or those taking the polls. I imagine at least some people got a thrill telling the poll takers they were on the bandwagon.
I just find it unsettling that if she gets elected, we're going to have over 20 years of one of two connected political families running the highest executive office in the land.
There's a lot that bothers me about that.
Will never happen though, she's way to divisive.
"First, yes, some people DO hate Hillary- she is a divisive candidate, much more so than Obama."?
eyekantspel, Out of curiosity, how exactly is she "divisive"? Compared to whom?
Out of curiosity, how exactly is she "divisive"? Compared to whom?
Everyone. Look at her favorable/unfavorable numbers. If you can find one Presidential candidate with a higher unfavorable number I'd like to see it. And I'm talking nationwide - not this little group of Giuliani haters.
I am amazed the Post didn't go with this front page proclaiming "THE BITCH IS BACK".
Well, I never followed what "everyone" else says, I make up my own mind.
"this little group of Giuliani haters."?
Oh, you mean the group in New Hampshire and Iowa?
Is the 9/11 Whore cleverly waiting to make his move?
IYO, How many primaries will he win?
The polls were actually right, as of Monday night. Their methodologies were sensible and accurate. Hillary won due to the overwhelmingly negative media coverage. This was an extremely clear instance of the media affecting the outcome of the race.
1. It was no secret that Obama and McCain were sparring for the same independent voters. The polls have been showing this for months. When independents began hearing all day on Monday & Tuesday that Obama was up by 10, even 15, percentage points, they went to the polls for McCain.
2. The polls have also been showing for quite a long time that Obama was doing very well with women in New Hampshire. But as the results show, Hillary creamed Obama when it came to support from women. The media's (specifically Chris Matthews, the NYPost, Olberman, etc.) RELENTLESS harping and questioning about Hillary's "tearful" moment of emotion sent the female voters over the edge. Female didn't flock to Hillary because she showed emotion or appeared "more human." They flocked to her because 1.) the media was ganging up on her and 2.) they respect her, her courage and didn't want Obama to walk away with the nomination that easily.
Obama was essentially caught in a perfect storm of independents switching to McCain and a media establishment that ganged up unfairly on Hillary. It also didn't help that Obama appeared to be a little too cocky yesterday in the lead up to the polls closing.
In sum, the polls leading up to the election were totally accurate. They got nothing wrong. It's just that the incessant media manipulation over the last 2 days, after polling had stopped, changed the course of the race in 24 hours.
I don't buy Hillary's "tearful moment of emotion;" in any case, being president is a lot tougher than running in a primary. If you can't take the heat [fill in the blanks]
S.D. You 100% missed the point of everything I said. When I said "everyone" I was talking about the other candidates. you asked "compared to whom". I meant the other candidates. I was in no way talking about "everyone" as in "everyone thinks she is divisive".
As for how many primaries has Giuliani won, the answer is none. I guess you think Giuliani is my candidate of choice. This would be the next stupid assumption you made from my post. He isn't my choice and nothing in my post should have led you to that conclusion. But as predicted you saw the name "Giuliani" and went ballistic.
And when I said "Giuliani haters" I was referring to the regular poster here like yourself. See above paragraph.
EastRiver, Did I? I really don't think so but if so, My bad.
Let me get this straight: You said "Everyone", but you meant only the Candidates?
Odd. Your usually more exact...
"ballistic"? For referring to The 9/11 Whore in that fashion? Believe me, That's not ballistic.
So, Could you show me where in my comment I even implied that The 9/11 Whore is your candidate of choice? Did you make a "Stupid Assumption"? O Shame on You!
Also, I asked you "IYO, How many primaries will he win?" not how many he Won.
A Friendly wager? With Bragging Rights? I bet you The 9/11 Whore wins 1 primary At best.
eyekantspel:
I totally agree. I would love to have a concrete idea of what she intends to do because so far I haven't heard one presented.
When Chelsea runs against Jeb's son in 2024... do you think we'll be able to vote from our mobile phones or somehow wirelessly?
her plan is: if elected, she intends to run for re-election
smh, do you own a polling company? I don't know what polls you were looking at, but all the ones I saw, including those on Monday evening, had it for Obama by double digits. I don't buy your reasoning that the media changed things in 24 hours.
Um, SD.. no offense, but I think EastRiver ("Giuliani haters") was referring to me. 'Least I hope so. And it would seem our little group is about to include South Carolina, Florida, and the Super Tuesday states.
But we digress. Rudy's campaign is over, why waste the time? I'm more concerned over the fact that the Dems (my party, duh) were about to blow another election but now may have righted the ship. Because if McCain pulls this out on the GOPer side, then Obama's not beating him, and Edwards is not beating him.
While I think it is high time that Hillary say exactly why she wants to be Presidet and what she would do as President, you cannot deny that, love 'em or hate 'em, the Clintons know one thing that none of the other national Democrats know... how to WIN.
Hey, ER: who are you supporting? Just wondering...
S.D.:
"First, yes, some people DO hate Hillary- she is a divisive candidate, much more so than Obama."?
eyekantspel, Out of curiosity, how exactly is she "divisive"? Compared to whom?
I thought the sentence you quoted was clear. Compared to Obama, for one. Obama has cross-party appeal. He is charismatic without the negative baggage that Clinton has. If Obama is the nominee, he will get some of the Republican vote, and since he isn't hated, others might stay home rather than vote. If Hillary is the nominee, Republicans would rally just to vote against her. Not because she is a woman, but because she is Hillary Clinton. Add the idea that she could then nominate Bill to the Supreme Court (a rumor that's already started floating around) and forget it. I for one don't look forward to revisiting the whole red state/blue state ugliness.
eyekantspel... I would vote for Obama in a minute if he was the nominee, I'd be proud to do so. But if you think there are ten Republicans in this country who would vote for him, you're kidding yourself. His positions are pretty much straight fastball left (English is a funny language, isnt' it?). Could he transcend the red/blue thing? Depends on who the GOPer is, but the Republican attack machine could make short work out of him.
The question was
Out of curiosity, how exactly is she "divisive"? Compared to whom?
I thought it was implied we were talking about candidates and not the population at large. As for how is she divisive that is up to the individual. I'm just looking at the numbers.
How many primaries will Giuliani win? I'm going with none but that really has nothing to do with Hillary Clinton being divisive. My point is she has 50% unfavorable ratings across the country as a whole. This is not a way to win a nationwide campaign. We should make the assumption that there are voters in the middle than can be persuaded to vote either way in every election. Her numbers are like starting in a hole you can't dig out of. Again, if you can find another candidate that has higher negative numbers tell me who it is. This doesn't mean Clinton can't win the Presidency but her chances would depend almost entirely on who the GOP candidate is. I think McCain could beat her but I think she can easily take Huckabee or Romney. The reality is that Clinton currently does worse with independents than Obama. It doesn't mean it will be that way in November if she's the nominee and the GOP puts up a right winger.
The reason I think you suspect I want Giuliani to do well is you seem to be trying to draw me into defending him. I don't want him to be the nominee so I don't care how he does in the primaries. How would I have bragging rights if we both don't think he's going to do well? How is this relevant to Clinton's likeable/unlikeable numbers? I just don't hate the guy and I think the constant "9/11 whore" is tiring and frankly namecalling doesn't make one look all that intelligent, even when you are.
And it would seem our little group is about to include South Carolina, Florida, and the Super Tuesday states
Voting for another candidate is not the same as not liking Giuliani. Again, not trying to defend him but somebody in Michigan voting for Romney is not a vote against Giuliani in the same way some people - even Democrats - don't like Clinton.
Rudy's campaign is over, why waste the time?
Indeed.
As for who I am supporting, it's more a case of who I don't want. I'm thoroughly against Romney and Huckabee and Edwards and Richardson (sorry the man is retarded). At this point I could live with McCain, Obama, or Clinton. Although I really don't like her I think Iowa might have woken her up. If it comes down to McCain - Clinton I would probably lean McCain comfortable in the knowledge that my vote doesn't matter because New York will vote Democrat. Either way I'm only moving to Canada if Huckabee wins. What I really want is for both parties to be undecided going into the conventions. I want to see a floor battle in my lifetime. Probably won't happen. . . .
This whole race hinges on Ohio. If I were running I would spend the bulk of my time there.
eyekantspel, IMO (For whatever thats worth!) She's no more divisive than any other politician.
Obama's appeal is possibly cross party and I suppose we'll find out if he's on the ticket or not.
Bill to the Supreme Court? Wow, I've not heard that one, but I'm not surprised people are saying it. People certainly say wilder things.
"I for one don't look forward to revisiting the whole red state/blue state ugliness."
I'm with you. On the occasion that I travel, I'm sometimes asked if I'm a "red stater" or "blue stater". It's a silly label as many states were pretty close to being one way or the other.
"The reason I think you suspect I want Giuliani to do well is you seem to be trying to draw me into defending him."
Honestly, When I refer to our former mayor as "The 9/11 Whore" It's not baiting anyone.
Tell you what, EastRiver: When I respond to your comments I'll forgo the usual "9/11 Whore" reference (Even though IMO, he is one).
As for Hilary's chances, I guess we'll see. I think last night demonstrated that one can't always go by the Polls. If She does have a 50% unfavorable rating across the country, IMO, it'll be reflected in the primaries.
Once Good thing about all this: Apparently People are voting in primaries in record numbers. Whatever one's political affiliation, thats always a good thing.
I have a Bad taste about any GOP candidate (Can you tell?? ;) ) but Sen. McCain is so far the best of them BUT, His "Democrats want to Surrender" rhetoric is Partisan BS at it's finest.
What do you want to hear a Candidate's stand on?
Me, not in any particular order: I'm concerned about the Economy, The Wars, Terrorism, Gov't oversight/accountability and International issues.
[3] They made a decision based on her personality. That doesn't constitute a good decision.
And nobody's taking Obama's personality into account? Come on, politics is all about who people like. Stands on issues come second.
"Either way I'm only moving to Canada if Huckabee wins."
HA! Take me with you! I saw him on CNN on Saturday talking about health care, and jees, he didn't know what in the hell he was talking about and couldn't even fake it. Guy's as dumb as a box of hair.
As for Rudy, yeah, fair point, but let's face it, if his candidacy was catching fire he wouldn't be worrying about beating Ron Paul. I suspect the rest of the country is discovering what we in NYC already knew, and turning elsewhere, if not outright voting against him.
BTW, the 9/11 Whore thing was mine, though my man S.D. has been keeping it going... thanks pal!... so get mad at me.
I certainly respect McCain, but the only way we are going to begin cleaning up the eight years of treasonous disaster we've all lived through is with a Democrat in the White House. Not that they are paragons of moral virtue, but we gotta turn this thing around somehow. I would proudly vote for any of the big three on that side.
"BTW, the 9/11 Whore thing was mine, though my man S.D. has been keeping it going... thanks pal!... so get mad at me."
Yeah, but "9/11 Whore" Works so well!!!
;)
Back on Topic: Yep, I think a Democrat will be next in the Whitehouse. Especially in light of the fact that the GOP had the Majority in the Senate and House for so long.
Remember the "Contract with America"?
I think what really irks me is the amount of troops she helped kill by voting for the war. Did she cry for them? No.