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A week has passed after a Long Island jury found John White guilty of manslaughter, but details of what happened in the jury room and talk of an appeal continues.
White was convicted for shooting a teenager, Daniel Cicciaro Jr., in the summer of 2006. White, who is black, claimed he felt threatened when he saw Cicciaro and other white teenagers surround his house trying to seek revenge on White's son Aaron over a perceived insult. The teens had also allegedly used racial epithets, leading his defense lawyers to describe the scene as a lynch mob. Prosecutors, however, said White could have stayed inside, locked the door, and called the police.
When a jury found themselves deadlocked the Friday before Christmas, the judge urged the jurors to come to a verdict, and the jury did so by Saturday. So far, two jurors have spoken out about feeling pressured to find White guilty. Now, as White's lawyers tackle appealing the verdict, experts say the appeal will have to focus more on the judge's instructions (versus juror pressure) and whether the judge may have implied she would keep them in deliberations so close to the holidays.
Today, the Post reveals the words of another juror that provide a glimpse into the heated debate:
"If we let him free, Mr. Cicciaro [Sr.] will kill John White himself," the juror shouted, according to another juror, who asked not to be identified.The Reverend Al Sharpton is leading a march and rally for John White to protest the verdict on January 5, outside the courthouse in Riverhead. And White's lawyers note that white homeowners in Long Island support of White: Given that home invasion robberies are up, lawyer Marie Michel said, "White homeowners are very concerned about this case. They feel very vulnerable. They wonder what this case means for them as property owners."As his aghast peers fell silent, the male juror paused for 15 seconds, then said, "If it was my son, I would do the same."
At another point he added, "If there is a hung jury, I will go over to Daniel Cicciaro [Sr.] and apologize to him," according to another juror.
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who is this A-hole juror who asks not to be identified? will he go the the white's home drunk and with five of his friends?
two dissenting votes is enough to keep deliberating.
there was no lone hold out.
It's too bad that debate didn't continue long enough in the jury room. I blame the judge for pressuring, or basically extorting, a verdict out of the twelve. Peter Henry Fonda needed to be in that room.
so it's ok for cops to shoot when threatened, but not civilians. hmmmm....
so it's ok for cops to shoot when threatened, but not civilians. hmmmm....
the more we get a glimpse into the jury, the more I think the two jurors were browbeaten and bullied into changing their vote.
as shown by the comments made by loudmouth juror who does not want to be identified.
Dave H., I think you're referring to Henry Fonda, father of Peter Fonda and star of the film '12 Angry Men.' I think if one looks at the facts of the case, one will see that a manslaughter verdict was justified.
i love it when idiot jurors say they were bullied after the fact. these jurors had a man's life in their hands and they chose to convict so they could be popular with the group. what skells!!! we're not in high school people, if you think he's innocent then vote that way. if you vote a man guilty because you want to be liked by the rest of the jurors then you should be the one going to jail........... as for rev al, i'll be protesting against him in riverhead on the 5th. his lies are not welcome in suffolk.
hey edex, if a cop did what this guy did, you better bet there would have been more attention and probably a murder charge. cops get charged all the time, where do you live?
Just like the "victims" in the Joe Horn case, this Gotti kid is expendable - let's now proceed with more pressing matters...
in 5, 10, maybe even 30 years you will read about Daniel Cicciaro Srs body found castrated next to the teacup ride at Disney with his member in his mouth etched with the words "I
as for the jurors who convicted guilty because they acted out of empathy for the Ciccairo's father (the world is better without version 1 or 2) they will all be run down by former yankee ball players after a night of heavy drinking.
or they could all die of natural causes.
I was one of two holdouts on a jury that deliberated on a Friday, and let me tell you, it's tough, man, tough (and FYI, we were two to convict as opposed to acquit). Stare down ten people in a room who, while they do hold a man's life in their hands, only care about getting out of there for the weekend, and I guarantee you, you'll have your own personal "defining moment."
The problem comes when you realize that life is not a Henry Fonda movie and, even though you're right, you realize you are going to lose. So it becomes an issue of "I"m going to die on this hill anyway, how unpleasant do I need to make this?"
I applaud the jurors who came forward complaining of juror pressure. Trust me, it's real, and it's an abortion of justice. I hope these jurors stay with the fight. Appeals are won on issues like this, and laws are changed on cases like this.
You guys want to go on and on about the jury, judge etc. The bottom line is this black man was able to murder a white teenager out of idiosy. Should he go free for that? I think not. This is not a racist issue but the blacks involved are making it one. Bottom line if this boy that was murdered were my son Mr White would never see the light of day again. If he gets out in 2,4,10 or ever he would soon get a visit from me. Whites family would soon feel the pain of that boys family. If possible they would feel more pain forever enduring. Whites family and himself would pay for his actions..