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Just in time for last night's Republican debate, political website Politico broke a story claiming that former mayor Rudy Giuliani billed "obscured city agencies for tens of thousands of dollars in security expenses" for extra-marital Hamptons trips with future wife Judith Nathan.
When Giuliani would travel outside the city, he would be accompanied by a police detail. And if he stayed overnight, the police would also need lodging and other expenses taken care of. Politico reporter Ben Smith writes, "It’s also impossible to know whether the purpose of all the Hamptons trips was to see Nathan," but the suggestion is strong that the trips were to see Nathan, who had an apartment in Southampton - where many of the trips were, per credit card bills. Or, as the Daily News puts it, "It has been known since 2000 that then-Mayor Giuliani used his official, taxpayer-funded NYPD detail to escort him to weekend getaways at Nathan's Southampton condo as early as 1999, well before his marriage to Donna Hanover dissolved the following spring" - it's just that Giuliani's people would refuse to answer questions about it.
A city auditor first noticed $34,000 in travel expenses billed to the NYC Loft Board, and then further investigating revealed almost $145,000 in "non-local travel" billed to travel different small agencies in 2000 and then $400,000 was found billed to the office of the Assigned Counsel Plan, which the Post explains is the office that "assigns lawyers to destitute criminal suspects." Thanks to the Freedom of Information Law, Smith obtained a 2002 letter from City Comptroller William Thompson to Mayor Bloomberg, which notes the strange travel expenses and how Giuliani's office wouldn't give him any answers.
When the topic came up during last night's debate, Giulani said, "I had 24-hour security for the eight years that I was mayor. And they took care of me, and they put in their records, and they handled them in the way they handled them. I had nothing to do with the handling of their records, and they were handled, as far as I know, perfectly appropriately." Mmm-hmm. At any rate, the Rudy and Judi Show continues!
Update: Now ABC News is reporting/reminding everyone that Judi Nathan had her own NYPD security detail while Giuliani was dating her. A source who used to work for Giuliani told ABC News, "She used the PD as her personal taxi service." Giuliani has been saying the Politico story is a hit job.
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There are few things more nauseating in this world than seeing Rudy and Judi together. Hopefully the rest of the country will come to know Rudy as we know him.
One has to be impressed by how he just nonchalantly brushed this matter aside - like countless other "improprieties" that never seem to garner the attention of the MSM...
Judilani is the latest two-headed monster to invade the media. Yecch...
Can't wait to hear the Giuliani supporters on this one.
A crook. A liar. A cheat. Giuliani's list of achievements goes on and on...
first it was 34k to the loft board, then it's 145k spread out to different agencies, then it's 400k to some office of Assigned Council Plan.
how is he gonna answer to that pattern? He's the mayor and the buck stops with him.
Hear me out before you blast me.
Any Mayor has a security detail that must follow him wherever he goes. He's a regular person, and of course has a personal life. So if he goes anywhere, there's a cost for lodging and the travel, etc. That should not be what people are upset about.
Him using this time to cheat on his wife (Gotta be honest, I'd rather have Judi Nathan over Donna Hanover anyway), though not moral, is not illegal and shouldn't be too much of an issue with people in regards to the spending part.
The part that I don't understnad is why the costs were spread out among these other pieces. It doesn't look like there would really be anything to hide, which makes me think there might be still more to the story.
Also keep in mind that he doesn't sit there and choose where things are billed himself. He is not DIRECTLY responsible, as any politician, Republican or Democrat, wouldn't be.
"The part that I don't understnad is why the costs were spread out among these other pieces. It doesn't look like there would really be anything to hide, which makes me think there might be still more to the story."
As with Jacques and Novanglus, this is the key to the entire thing. Why spread it out? Smells bad to me.
What totally blows away Giuliani's excuse from the debate is this (from the Politico article):
When it's legitimate travel, it got billed to the correct place. But when he's sneaking around to see Judith Nathan, for some unknown reason, the costs are being dumped on remote agencies. Sure.
Giuliani would have us believe that it was merely coincidental that his secret trips were being secretly billed.
Shouldn't that first sentence read hundreds of thousands?
I'd say there was a pretty good chance that the 9/11 Whore didn't want anyone to know that he was using his security detail to zip out the Hamptons for a little howlin' Judilove. That's probably why it took a FOIA request for the Politico to get this.
Fear not, my friends, have faith... it's only a matter of time until the rest of the country figures out what we already know, that Rudy is a complete and utter asshole.
Funny comments on Balloon Juice:
http://www.balloon-juice.com/?p=9196
Rudy is as slimy as any of the gangsters he tried (and often failed) to put into prison. Really typical repug hypocricy at work: I do it and it's OK. You do it and it's a crime... and I'm the guy who's going to punish you for it.
Rudy is as slimy as any of the gangsters he tried (and often failed) to put into prison. Really typical repug hypocricy at work: I do it and it's OK. You do it and it's a crime... and I'm the guy who's going to punish you for it.
Rudy is as slimy as any of the gangsters he tried (and often failed) to put into prison. Really typical repug hypocricy at work: I do it and it's OK. You do it and it's a crime... and I'm the guy who's going to punish you for it.
This kind of shady behavior coming from Bernie Kerik's best buddy? What a surprise!
Giuliani is a dickbag.
Seriously, fuck that guy.
http://www.judithnathankillspuppies.com
never forget!!!!!!!!!
This guy is pretty much evil personified.
Just another nauseating story about a nauseating human being. Disappointing and sickening but not surprising.
Rudi is a horrible monster.
Regarding the Update, is there anyone left to defend this guy?
It's unbelievable that anybody would seriously consider this guy for POTUS. New Yorkers prefer Clinton and his own kids can't stand him. He's an adulterer on his third wife. He was married to his second cousin for 14 years.
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2007/0212072giuliani1.html
He wanted to appoint Kerik, his one-time driver to head homeland security.
And now it comes out that he was hiding money spent on his weekend getaways to see Judith Nathan she used the NYPD as a taxi service, and Guiliani Partners worked for the guy that helped the 9/11 mastermind escape capture and who is currently a named defendant in the 9/11 lawsuits.
"The contradictory and stunning reality is that Giuliani Partners, the consulting company that has made Giuliani rich, feasts at the Qatar trough, doing business with the ministry run by the very member of the royal family identified in news and government reports as having concealed KSM—the terrorist mastermind who wired funds from Qatar to his nephew Ramzi Yousef prior to the 1993 bombing of the World Trade Center, and who also sold the idea of a plane attack on the towers to Osama bin Laden—on his Qatar farm in the mid-1990s. "
http://www.villagevoice.com/news/0748,barrett,78478,6.html/5
Clinton got a blowjob in the Oval Office!!1!!
Hmmm. Based on these comments, I wonder if Rudy has any fans left within the city limits anymore.
Man, if that ain't a white trash couple I don't what is - can you imagine the official White House portrait of these two characters hanging alongside those of Lincoln, FDR...
Poor Donna - can you imagine her predicament every day?
Jesus get a grip people. When you have a 24 hour police detail, that mean 24 hours, as in, all day. This is going nowhere.
Maybe everyone should go back and live under Dinkins. That would be nice. No, Clinton got a blowjob from a 22 year old intern and then blew his load on her dress. All class.
Ummm...Senator Clinton, if subpoened to testify in front of a federal grand jury, would you testify truthfully?
Anyone wanna guess who prosecuted and convicted Marc Rich? Anyone?
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Anyone wanna guess who defended Marc Rich? Guy by the name of Scooter Libby. I'm sure folks remember him, got a pardon from Bush for covering up lying about outing a CIA agent (and note, even the CIA says she was covert... go figure... but I guess it's better to believe the Washington Times than the CIA itself...).
As to the reference to Dinkins, can't Republicans actually look at the here and now instead of pulling 14 years out of a hat? Good grief, take a good hard look at the man... do you really want another rude, incompetent and thieving President in office? REALLY?
Giuliani gives new meaning to safe sex!
What really irks me more than the fact that Rudy Giuliani may have misappropriated funds for his extra security while engaging in personal matters, is that he has the arrogance and temerity to suggest that his security is so much more important than yours or mine! Who do these people think they are? Perhaps a president is deserving of full time security but the Mayor of a city? Please. If he felt his security was in jeopardy, then let him spend his money to protect himself, especially within the context of his personal life. We are ALL expendable and no life is worth more than another on principle. This demonstrates the egotistical nature of this man. He leaves me with such a feeling of loathing I could never be convinced he is the person for the job of President of the US.
When elected officials serve the entire good of the people who elect them, don’t engage in kowtowing and graft for personal gain, then they can be deserving of extra protection if their continued presence in office serves the greater good and legitimate threats have been discerned.
a city auditor just happened to notice the charges now? i say the auditor should be fired for not investigating these forms when they were submitted what? 13 years ago.
every mayor should get full-time security during their tenure, regardless of where they go or what @$$ they were tapping at the time, as long as it wasn't a prostitute or intern. or stripper. or another dude's like that former governor of NJ did.
Giuliani was separated as the time so yes, when people are separated in marriage they will be know to get their freak on with other people.
my main concern is the high-waisted pants. someone should have told him about the male camel-toe effect and/or wedgie it's known to cause.
they're saying Nathan who's not a wife or family or what not had her own security detail.
It's been said a million times, and it'll probably (sadly) be said a million more... it ain't the crime, it's the coverup.
Rolltide makes a valid point... 24/7 security is just that, and it's a legitimate use of tax dollars. So there was no crime here, per se. The issue comes when the taxpayers of NYC decide how they feel that their tax dollars were helping cover up his Hamptons jaunts to see Judi flat on her back with her legs in the air. So instead of just saying, my security came with me on the weekend, like it comes with me each and ever weekend, he's gotta squirrel away these costs by billing them to other agencies so no one will know.
I'm not shocked at his arrogance or immorality. But I admit I am shocked at the political ineptitude of all this.
And, just wondering, why is it that when anyone has to defend a GOPer it always starts with "Clinton did this!" rather than addressing the issue?
PS: Just a reminder... Dave Dinkins hired the cops that brought down the crime rate, and Ray Kelly and Bill Bratton and Jack Maple figured out how to use them. And Rudy did... what?