November 19, 2007
West Side Yards Proposals On Display For Public

A storefront at the corner of Vanderbilt Avenue and 43rd Street (across from Grand Central) may be a window into the future of the West Side Rail Yards. The MTA unveiled an exhibition of the five proposals to redevelop the rail yards on the Far West Side of Manhattan, and the public will get a chance to see the models every day (except Thanksgiving) through December 3. And what's more, the MTA wants the public's comments.

The proposals comes from five developers/developer-teams: Brookfield Properties; Durst & Vornado; Extell; Related, Goldman Sachs & News Corporation; and Tishman Speyer & Morgan Stanley. All have common themes: Glass skyscrapers for residential and commercial use, green space, green buildings, cultural areas, ways to integrate the High Line. Some offer major companies taking a stake in commercial buildings, others offer ways to move people (like an automated people mover) or preserve light.

MTA Executive Director and CEO Lee Sander repeatedly noted how the public would be involved in the process - the public can comment at the storefront and will be able to do so online in the next week or so. Deputy Mayor Dan Doctoroff, who has spearheaded the Hudson Yards planning back when the city wanted to put a West Side Stadium there, was also on hand and chuckled when asked if Assembly Speaker Sheldon Silver, who effectively killed the stadium plan, would have a say. Doctoroff said, "In the previous case, money was contributed to the project by the city and the state. In this case, money will be contributed from the project to the city and the state." Get the difference?
The bidders were not allowed to discuss financials - this was simply an opportunity for them to show off their visions - and hotshot designers and models. And the designs will certainly change, as they will be scrutinized not just by the MTA but by the city as well. Here's a brief rundown and some renderings of the proposed bids, based on information available:
Brookfield Properties

- 12 million square feet of development
- 15.4 acres of public space - High Line Park (2.6 acres on the High Line), West Chelsea Promenade (esplanade at the foot of the High Line, surrounded by stores, restaurants, galleries), Hudson Place (on the Eastern Rail Yard, a public plaza surrounded by 75% commercial development), Hudson Green (on the Western Rail Yard, surrounding by 51% residential development), and Hudson Hall (semi-enclosed commercial-civic plaza similar to the World Financial Center's Winter Garden)
- 4 office buildings, with 6.3 million square feet
- 8 residential buildings, 4.4 million square feel with 3,300 units
- 3 hotel/residential buildings, 1.2 million square feet; 2,025 rooms
- Two buildings would be connected by a skyway - that is a running track.
- 2 cultural facilities
- Construction would be between 2008 and 2022 (the platform would be built between 2009 and 2014)
- Master plan designed by Skidmore, Owings & Merrill and Field Operations; buildings designed by SOM, Thomas Phifer & Partners, SHoP rchitects, Diller Scofidio + Renfro, Kazuyo Sejima + Ryue Nishizawa SANAA, and Handel Architects

Durst Organization & Vornado

- 12 acres of public space
- Four office buildings, 5.4 million square feet, including a new Conde Nast headquarters
- 6.4 million square feet of housing, 7,000 units (rental units offered at 80/20 formula plus setting aside "Word-Force Housing" for middle income families
- Automated people mover (APM) that will "offer a roughly one-minute travel time to the West Side Yard" from Penn Station
- Kunsthalle - cultural center for temporary exhibitions, community celebrations, way events
- Designers include Pelli Clarke Pelli Architects and FxFowle Architects


Extell

- Total of 16 buildings, including one "triple tower" (three buildings whose tops are connected)
- About 6 million square feet of commercial space, 5.5 million square feet of residential space, 285,000 square feet of cultural space
- Public space would be 75% of the land - over 851,000 square feet
- Columnless suspension structure construction over rail yards (all buildings are on "terra firma," most are on the southern side to avoid canyon effect and to maximize views; tallest building is in the northeast corner of the East Rail Yard)
- Two cultural squares, including a Sol LeWitt Sculpture and Arts Park
- Walkway over the West Side Highway to a floating pier
- Designed by Steven Holl Architects
- PDF of presentation


Related Properties, Goldman Sachs & News Corporation

- 5.7 million square feet of commercial space, including 2 million square foot News Corporation headquarters
- 5.3 million square feet of residential space, including 2,000 rental units (20% as permanent on-site affordable housing)
- 1 million square foot Equinox fitness hotel
- The tallest and densest buildings are on the eastern part of the property and decline in height and density closer to the waterfront
- Open space - 9 acre waterfront park
- News Corp.'s presence means all its Manhattan offices will be consolidated there, with a studio on the ground floor, and opportunity for NFL pre-game shows, movie screening, Myspace concert series, etc.
- Full integration of the High Line
- Designers include Kohn Pederson Fox, Robert A.M. Stern, and Arquitectonica


Tishman Speyer & Morgan Stanley

- 13 million square feet in thirteen buildings
- 10 million square feet of office space, including 3 million square foot Morgan Stanley headquarters
- 13 acres of public space
- 550,000 square feet of retail space
- "Forum" - main plaza on the eastern section of the property, "serving as a new 'town square'"
- 3,000 residential units; almost 300 permanently affordable apartments
- Designed by architect Helmut Jahn and landscape architect Peter Walker





Uh...shouldn't that read Vanderbilt and 43rd?
You're right - I think I've been reading 33rd Street in relation to the West Side Rail Yards too much! Thank you.
Why is every new building in every mock up for NYC always shiny like that? Does anyone else have any other ideas?
This is what New York really needs. More character-less glass skyscrapers.
ugh. All these images remind me why I hate most modern architecture...
Come on you debbie downers, you need to create some new ways of putting down new developments.
what's with the myspace.com banner on one of the building entrances? lol.
i like how the newscorp mockup includes corporate advertising. also, is it just me or do amost of the buildings in these designs look evil? like maybe they have special topfloor rates for super villians and the american offices of international supervillian conglomerates.
oh nm. it says at the bottom of the image.
Just what we need - more faceless uninspired buildings that the architects come up with a load of B.S. about how it mimics the graceful lines of a cardboard box but in glass making it look like a homage to a multi-story parking garage, but on a grand scale. Modern architecture is just about how crap can be described in a way that assholes, I mean developers, think the Frank Lloyd Wrong they hiring is some sort of genius. It is the perfect confluence of uninspired hacks and greedy sons of bitches with deep pockets.
Do any of these asshole architects know how to use stone and concrete in design anymore?
Some of the most famous buildings in this town have been made of stone, now its all faceless glass boxes. No Gothic embellishment, no character.
OK for the first round sketches. Can some professional help be brought into this project? And why does that a*hole Doctoroff, with his Fred Rodgers sweater, have to be included in this? He couldn't tell a brick from a piece of ass.
Sorry if I missed it in the text - but where can you go to actually see these models in person? I wasn't able to find it on MTAs website.
I'll go out on a limb and guess that most designs are dictated by the realities of the marketplace. To maximize the return on investment a building is going to be somewhere between 40 to 60 stories. The taller a building gets the more elevators you need which means less floor space per floor. It's one of the major reasons the tallest buildings in the world are being build in Asia and the Middle East. They're living in the past where the title of tallest building is a source of national pride. US builders are focused on the bottom line.
On the issue of all glass, covering a building in stone makes it heavier which means more steel which means higher costs. Also, people want huge windows whether it's in their office or their condo. Who wants to pay $10 million for a condo with no view?
glass and steel is cheapest and affords great heights as well as beauty, and fire safety.
brick, stone and rock, while beauitiful is just far too expensive these days... how great would the parthenon look in nyc?
why do the buildings have to be so "po-mo"???? Just make it a steel box. It looks more elegant than having a twisty building that serves no function.
"And what's more, the MTA wants the public's comments."
Now I know how the Mick felt when that fat one from Chuck Stobbs was on its way to the plate back in '53.
Is this the same MTA that "wants the public's comments" regarding fare hikes? The same MTA with three board members who have not bothered to show up for any hearings, including the guy on record as saying the hike is necessary? The same MTA with a board member who can't show up to these same hearings because she's canoodling with a knighted ex-Beatle? The same MTA who undervalued its properties at Hudson Yards and Atlantic Yards by at least a billion bucks? The same MTA that needs over $1.2 billion to build ONE station to this megabucks site?
My comment is the same as the American General Anthony McAuliffe to the Germans at Bastogne: "Nuts."
How about this...
1. Get design bids on creating the most efficient, flexible and creative platform over the yards that is able to accommodate any kind of future development providing that it conforms to an extension of the existing city grid to the river.
2. Based on the winning bid, collect more bids from planners and landscape architects to design a site plan the divides the area into mostly small and a few large scale plots along with a zoning scheme that is consistent with the fabric of New York as it has developed organically over the last 150 years ie: a mix of town houses, apartment buldings, commercial districts, parks etc.
3. Now, get a mix of developers, both mega Extell types and smaller and non-profit developers, to sumit proposals that comform to the layour and zoning already determined. This gives architects of all sizes and shapes to effect the outcome.
4. Do all this on a staggered time-line that insures that over the next 25 years you get many different styles and points of view without gargantuan, soul killing mega-development.
Can a prfit still be squeezed out of this approach? I think so.
you would think someone would be smart enough to include a SCHOOL or two or three in their plans. With the overcrowding in existing schools, they simply cannot absorb the population boom these projects will create. BUILD SCHOOLS !!! and everyone will vote for you.
Where's Lord Foster when you really need him.
Foster and Partners are pretty much rebuilding London these days with a sensitivity and thoughtfulness not seen in any of these proposals.
You know it's bad when Vegas is starting to build better mega-projects than us folk here in Gotham.
See their latest mega-job: CityCenter.com