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The next time you're standing on a subway platform silently suffering and sweating from oppressive heat, take intellectual comfort in the fact that you know exactly why it's so hot below ground. The New York Times' Michael Pollak explains the situation in his informative "F.Y.I." column. Despite the fact that underground subway stations are shielded from the sun, the temperature on platforms is often higher than above ground. Pollak gives a number of reasons for the phenomena:
- The "heat sink" effect, where heat is transferred from surfaces like the pavement to immediately cooler areas, like a subway station.
- Air conditioning. Ironically, the subway system is heated by the energy given off by the A/C that cools the interiors of trains.
- Lack of air conditioning. Subway stations are not air conditioned, with the exception of the 4/5/6 platforms at 42nd St., which tap into the A/C system cooling Grand Central Terminal.
(Subway Crowd, by taliashere at flickr)
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i'd think that some of the heat could be attributed to radiation loss from the third rail.
Awesome my stop on my way home has A/C! I'm originally from D.C. and they have AC in (from what I can remember) all the subway stations but its still got hot as hell down there unless you were standing right by a vent.
The last paragraph of the Times article implies it's impossible to air condition a subway station, but then gives Grand Central as an exception. What gives? Also, the metro stations in Washington have a/c. Why aren't they also "infinite spaces"?
news to me that the platforms at gct are air conditioned, i never really felt that before, or if i did i assumed it was just an occasional breeze due to the open nature of the station. that's probably proof of why platforms can't be AC'ed
unless someone is standing right under the AC vents in Grand Central the air is still hot like any other station.
Does anyone want to bet on the HOTTEST station? My money goes to 2nd avenue FV.
That shit is boiler.
96th Street on the 1,2,3 is horrible in the summer!
I never transfer there unless an express/local is right across the platform.
also contributing to the heat in subways are the ballasts for the ridiculous number of cheap fluorescent light fixtures. Each set of bulbs has a ballast.
Hi.
Just wondering.
At what point does someone stand up and point out that the New York subway system is an absolute nightmare and DECADES behind other cities around the world.
I hear people complaining a lot but no one ever seems to do anything about it. I'd pay an extra buck per ride for an experience that doesn't make me; later than walking/ smell like ass/ hot as hell/ and is operated by maybe even polite staff?! (woah!).
But then, I'm foreign and used to paying more money for better service...
Meh.
The downstairs BDFV platforms at West 4th are pretty bad - the mezzanine between the two floors also.
People. Yep people are the cause of all that heat.
If you get rid of the people then you can get rid of the heat. Back in the 1860's when less people were using underground transport there was less of a problem.
The same thing goes for congestion pricing above ground. Get rid of the people and the problem solves itself.
Doesn't the fact that there are tons of steam pipes also running underground contribute to the heat in the subways?
During the summer, the 2/3 platform at the Fulton St stop in Lower Manhattan is absolutely suffocating. I always feel like my lungs can't even breathe air that hot.
It could have something to do with being a little closer to the Earth's molten core.
I recall reading in a book that the original IRT kiosks had a means of venting the stations making them cooler and aiding airflow. When they were removed in the name of progress away went the vents. The BMT and IND had no such provision.
What about flatulance radiation that has to contribute too.
51st and Lex where you pick up the E is almost as hot as my balls
Well... Almost
34st Herald Square - N/Q Line Wins hands down!
A/C the stations? Unlikely.
With the entrances/exits & tunnel openings, you would have to consume MASSIVE amounts of energy to use A/C. Even if you had an airlock/double-door setup for the exits.
Ballasts only really heat up on the start-up discharge. Fluorescent are Way cooler than incandescent, & even compact fluorescent. And if you don't ballast each unit, if a ballast goes out you lose a whole string of lights.
Radiant from third rail? not likely. Rails are generally not even energized unless a train is within the signal sector.
People, transformers, infrastructure like steam pipes, poor air flow all contribute.
Some good venting, from above, promoting airflow from the cooler tunnels would be more effective at cooling platforms.
Any ideas?
Dadoc
Talk to anyone who lived in the city more than 40 years ago - it's the introductin of airconditioning on the subway cars that makes the platforms so hot. So, it comes down to picking ur poison: cooler stations or cooler cars. of course, back then, you were able to open the windows, so you could get some of the tradional air cooling.
Ya ever notice how the women start covering themselves after entering the subway car with the a/c? I personally could just do with those ceiling fans they used to have. Did I just date myself - and I'm only 39...
How is it ironic that "the subway system is heated by the energy given off by the A/C"?
In this house, we obey the Laws of Thermodynamics!
Dadoc pretty much summed it up. Cooling and, conversely in the wintertime, heating the subway would be a humongous waste of energy. The system was actually designed to circulate air by the action of the trains moving through the platform. The motion through the stations causes a partial vacuum that pulls air from the grates and entrances at street level.
I wouldn't say its the cleanest or most effective system, but its better than wasting hundreds of thousands of watts of energy trying to run an effective AC system.
42nd Street 7 Line..... one of the hottest by far!! It is 3 stories down and no circulation.... Sucks!!
its becoz of all the smokin' hot chicks in new york
All it would take are some fans to keep the air moving. Many stations used to have them, but they broke or were installed in stupid locations.
more trains more often (esp late night)and we wouldn't care a bit.
Radiant from third rail? not likely. Rails are generally not even energized unless a train is within the signal sector.
will you test your theory out by touching the third rail? moron.
7 platform in GC
In polite response to #28, of course not.
Unless resitance is applied between the hot & ground, no energy given as heat. And, should you research, you would learn about the sector concept.
Your "moron" comment is impolite, uninformed and obviously based on an uneducated need to express something without meaning.
Read, explore, study and learn, child.
Dadoc
Please post the article.
Thanks!