Cameraphone Captures Persistent Subway Perv

This stuff has been going on for over 40yrs + yrs. My grandmother & mother could tell you stories of how a man tried something on the subway. You gotta stand up to them. My mom has the classic one; major crowded car a man was trying to go under my mom's overcoat to touch a little if you know what I mean but she had an umbrella in the way - she saw the handle twirling then looked up at him & said "keep trying you'll on your knees praying you didn't do that". You gotta embarass them or be very loud - if your afraid then dont just say mister mister - yell out or tell on him where people will look.

I have been harrassed everyday of my life in one way or another by men in NYC since I turned 16. I've traveled to other cities and never endured half the BS I get here from males. In NYC, I have been flashed, I have been grabbed twice and I have been cat-called (some guys actually took the time to go into detail with what they wanted to do with me)nearly everyday of my life.

Do I walk around looking for attention? Do I wear provocative clothing? My answer to both these questions is a resounding NO. As a native NYer I know if you walk around like a victim or give off an air of being easy prey, you're an instant target: I do not give off that impression at all. Yet men still feel because I walk across a street or past a construction site, that allows them the freedom to say or do whatever they like. What's sadly funny is that whenever I walk by some of these same places with my husband, I can hear A PIN DROP.

There are days I walk to the corner store to buy something and I haven't put on makeup or brushed my hair or even taken a shower. Most days I'll run quick errands with baggy sweatpants on. Yet it NEVER fails that a man will leer or cat-call or attempt to get my attention in some stupid way even though I am minding my own business.

I've solved most of this problem by wearing earphones. I have them on low and I never get so engrossed that I'm not aware of my surroundings, but I notice men tend to leave you alone when they see you can't hear them.

I hate that I have to employ a device to attempt making my walks on NYC streets more liveable, but this is what I've been reduced to.

With respect to the reaction to my "chivalry is dead" comment, being flashed by a pervert when you are a child taking the train home from school goes beyond chivalry. Technically, it's child abuse and I would expect adults to come to a child's aid in the very least. Just saying.

A genral comment, but also partyly to Matty, # 29.

It may seem extreme to you that someone posted a pic of a "just a construction worker" that said "Hey Mami...", but that is her right. That is what the Hollaback site was created for.

There is no usually no justice, no recourse, nothing you can do about any form of subway harassment. Or street harassment. Why do you think so much of it goes unreported??? Because a lot of times, it's some creepy, disgusting, non-descript guy acting aloof, then flashing you, then running out of the train. Or a guy driving by, or someone sneering something disgusting at you as they walk by.

Are we supposed to chase after these generally unstable personalities? I actually have, but I am not the norm. And it is potentially dangerous to do so.

Furthermore, anyone who jokes about this makes me really sick. And I'm guessing that anyone who says "just point and laugh" has never been unexpectedly confronted like this on the train. What if you just can't muster the strength to laugh and point? What if the woman being harassed has been previously abused or molested by men? I have been flashed by creeps twice, and harassed literally hundreds of times. I try to let things like this go and not let them add to the myriad shitty things men have done to me in life. But for someone w/psychological issues, sometimes these incidents trigger reactions, and let me tell you, the "point and laugh" method of dealing w/this isn't the 1st thing that usually comes to mind. Though I really wish it was.

-La Leone-

"Why is it that it's the same women that scream "Chivalry is dead" who also cry "Don't treat me differently than a man!"

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It's not "Don't treat me differently than a man" it's "treat me as an equal, with respect." Meaning women respect men and men respect women. Would a man grab a man's ass on the subway? If so that is disrespectful also. Chivalry goes both ways. And chivalry isn't being "rescued" - it's respectful behavior.

This really needs to be explained to you?

uh.... #39 you are disgusting. That is not acceptable. And if you ever do that to me you will not enjoy the reacting that you will receive because the last random guy that grabbed my ass was regretting it afterwards. And no, it was not an incident of "maybe it was an accident on a crowded train". It was a sidewalk with lots of space and a deliberate grabbing.

No, no thrill from me.

I had a woman at a concert back her ass cheek onto my hand and thought I was copping a feel. Listen lady, you backed into me.

Anyone else gets a thrill doing a quick swipe on a delectable set of buttocks, ie female buttocks?

Hmm, women don't carry machetes in their pocketbooks..?

Women really should not dress so provacatively and wear so much "rouge" in the subways - you're just asking for attention. BTW, the lady is lucky she wasn't ejaculated upon...

Maybe it's just me, but I never understood the HORROR of being flashed. It's hilariously ridiculous. If someone did it to me, I wouldn't be able to stop laughing fast enough to "do something about it".

The fact that he later followed and assaulted her is definitely a different story, but flashing? Give me a break. It's funny and juvenile on college campuses across the globe, but predatory and scarring on a subway car?

anyone remember last weeks fireman who showed off his "junk"? I'm guessing the girls in the video were trash collectors because they be luvin his junk.

that's what they call a large penis the length of your thigh nowadays? junk?

She should have kicked him in the junk.

Sounds like a tough spot all around. I would not want to be either the person being flashed or a passenger who is asked to intervene. Usually just yelling is enough to stop but this guy sounds like he was totally nuts when he followed her to different trains.

These are not easy decisions but kudos to the gal taking the picture to have evidence of his creepyness for the police.

Takes the "he said", "she said" to the proof of pudding of what he did!!

When he lit up the cigarette that was probably a good indication of the transgression to come.

Why is it that it's the same women that scream "Chivalry is dead" who also cry "Don't treat me differently than a man!"

i have a mixed feeling about hollaback. it reminds me of that dateline show to catch a predator.

i mean, i went three posts in and some girl posted a pic of a guy who said "hey mami" to her - probably just a construction worker.

Posting his pic is a pretty good way to get the guy fired if not arrested for not really doing anything at all.

While I agree that women SHOULD NOT have to put up with fucked up guys waving their dicks at them - and putting them sometimes in a situation that could escalate to rape - still have to wonder if posting people's pics and accusing them without due process is acceptable.

Taking pictures and posting them online is a way of fighting back. If you read HOLLABACKnyc you can see that a lot of women do laugh or try to make a fool out of the guy. You never know if a guy that is willing to pull his dangler out is willing to go further and hurt you. It is always a concern when you are a woman out in public. You have to pick your battles depending on the man, the location, your own resources and the situation.

#26 women laff at an one eyed trouser snake the size of popeye's forearm? (in girth) that's news to me.

That is just plain freakish and something to be laughed at! I guess that you have been officially enlightened.

Penis should only come out to play when invited.

women laff at an one eyed trouser snake the size of popeye's forearm? (in girth) that's news to me.

The jizz squirtin out would take out an eyeball.

#21 Very well put!! If you call out these pervs they usually slink back under their rocks. I do it all the time. LOL Chivalry is not dead. Most men are still gentlemen as I have found. Maybe I am just lucky?

I also have stuck up for several women on the subway when a guy trys to get nasty or pick a fight over something stupid. Most people just turn away... that's just not me. Men picking on women is just pussy shit.

Whatever happened to women's lib? You women need random men on the subway to protect you? Why didn't she just kick the perv in the balls? That might cure him for life.

Why not pull the emergency stop cord?

i wanted that cell phone in the picture. hard to come by in the US....

When are women going to learn that if they just point and laugh the pervert will shuffle away red-faced?

Oh goodie, we are having a who has a larger cock contest on the internet.

I'm guessing mr. arungah wins.

how does one get off on showing another person his bidness? i could understand him accosting her but just show her his twigs and berries is hardly offensive. I see ugly hideous people on the subway whose face look worse than male genitals. I don't try to get them arrested.

actually it's "hey, mister, mister"

anyway, I usually ignore it.

as in, hey mister, gimme a dolla,

or, hey mister, you stepped on my new sneakers, what you gonna do about it?

or, hey mister, you just made me drop may glasses, what are you gonna do bout it?

or, hey mister, you made me drop my dinner, what are you gonna do about it?

the guy was hunting out a women to spread his sperm.

ON THE INTERNET AND ESPECIALLY ON BLOG THREAD COMMENTS EVERYONE IS TOUGH!!!PLEASE....YOU WOULD DO NOTHING!

harvest his organs asap

"'You could tell by his face he was just really creepy,' she said."

I find it interesting that she didn't say "you could tell by the fact that his dick was hanging out and he was following me he was just really creepy"

i meant that's probably the first thing i would have noticed.

anyway, i hope this chick is ok. mace might be a good option to have on hand for situations like this, or a rape whistle.

There's a lot of people in this city who need to be medicated.

i love edex's feigned outrage. i bet you think you'll get some numbers out of this or something.

great point, number nine.

I would ignore it, too. usually it sounds like a prank or a guy asking for change.

in fact, those are the only times I've heard "mister, mister".

sorry, I'm not getting involved. so sue me,

wait, get in line and,

I'll see you in Hell.

there's no shame in ripping a dick off a felon.... in fact, i condone the ripping of dicks off of rapists.

When somebody screams Mister Mister at me, it's usually drunk teenage girls trying to outdare each other by harassing me. So I can sort of understand the guy ignoring it. Sort of.

edEx: Check the photo (in link). He was not naked.

You expect a stranger to get in a fight on your behalf in order to counter the terrible crime of some guy showing you his dick? Please...

I wish I could do something but I can't.

I don't have health insurance. I'll let you internet tuff guys and perverted justice take care of him.

I'll see you guys in hell.

Good men (as well as good women) need to show bad dudes that this is unacceptable behavior.

*But the straphanger just looked up, saw the fracas and promptly stuck his nose back in his book.*

Nice.

What coudld have happened? A naked guy has nthoing to hide therefore it's unlikely he's armed. I would I have beat him dead.

I'm not terribly surprised by the callousness of the other passenger. My friend and I got flashed on the train after school on a B train full of other (mostly male) riders. Not one person came to our aid as we ran off the train screaming. Chivalry is dead!

It's a good thing this woman had the presence of mind to take a picture of this creep and keep him off the streets. . . for now.

"But the straphanger just looked up, saw the fracas and promptly stuck his nose back in his book."

Was it Woody Allen?

And while we understand that sometimes straphangers don't want to get involved with other incidents, the behavior of the other passenger on this subway is terrible.