It's not that difficult to get a permit for a shotgun or rifle in NYC. Pistols are much harder.

That's aside from the point #[43] . He was defending himself ! If it were me they would be dead ! Yes I said it Dead !!! In this City you the "Haves, & Have not's", Just because You have something that someone else doesn't is no excuse to try taking it from them ! Posted by; "Still Not Amused"

He is a punk. Just ask around the neighborhood. His kids are up to no good either. 1 guy was shot half a block away and the other around the block. It ceased being a robbery when they were off and running. That is if robbery was even the motive. All three of them are shady characters.

Well being "safe" neighborhood i have to say when i was leaving in ridgewood my roommate got jumped by 5 people in the middle of the street. Nobody asked any question, they just hit him and tried to take down, later on we found out those guys used to drop person to the flor, keep hitting him with legs until the victim is unconscious and then take his stuff. My friend was lucky that he had some self defense training (wouldn't be enough for a long period of time against 5 people still) and that undercover police arrived 3 minutes later.

If they would talk to him he would probably have given them the wallet, but in case of my roommate there was no request, just assault...

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guns are dumb

owning a gun is dumber

shooting a gun is dumbest

#13 asked:

"Pro-police = anti-self protection or anti-vigilante? Where do you draw the line #11?"

The line is that if someone attempts to harm you or your family, you should be legally permitted to use whatever force is necessary to deter that threat.

The seemingly prevalent mindset of letting the police handle everything leads to increased crime and people getting hurt, killed, and robbed all the time.

Does anybody really believe that the police will able to save them in a timely manner, if at all, when these types of things occur? Please.

Why the hell should it be against the law to defend yourself and your property? Why should owning a gun to protect your home be illegal? The unjustified shooting of people is what should be illegal (and it already is).

I have actually tried to obtain a home permit for a gun and was lead around in circles miserably for months before they "lost" the application which took almost a month to complete fully. I have never been arrested and have demonstrated in every way that I am a responsible and legal-minded citizen.

Here's another fun fact about the arcane gun laws in NYC: You can (theoretically) obtain either home permit OR a range permit. Not both. So you can either have a gun in your home for self-protection but no means to practice in its safe use. Or you can practice constantly at the range and not have a gun in your home where you might actually need it.

It's true.

It's also retarded (and what I've come to expect of NYC and NYS bureaucrats).

#11

My in-laws live in Ridgewood and it is a pretty safe neighborhood. So it is odd that someone would be carrying a gun. Being that he owns five guns, he's probably got a screw loose.

If he really was getting mugged, then good on him for shooting them both!

I live about a block away from the shooting incident. I actually walked through the yellow tape to get to Fresh Pond Rd last night. The one thing I find strange is that the shooting happened in the middle of the street. This was about 50 ft from the victims house. Home invasion or not this seems very suspicious. This is a very quiet neighborhood.

For all the clueless hipsters on this site... When you get on your "L" train going into Manhattan, and you see all the seats taken by people, odds are those seats are filled up with people from Ridgewood (and Glendale).

#25: Yes, absolutely. When a mugger "flashes" a screwdriver in an attempt to rob and threaten bodily harm, the victim has a clear moral right to defend herself using deadly force.

And I am planning to raise children in this city, because I love it and believe it is worth defending from criminal scum.

wait. So if you legally get a gun and permit and if someone just says "give me your money!" you are legally allowed to shoot and kill them without threat of incarceration? Sign me up. I get threats from black people all the time just walking down the street, Usually it's just black people trying to intimidate me but sometimes they do try to rob me. If this is the case I'm gonna shoot the shit out of them.

Part of me is pleased when muggers get the tables turned on them. In a way it serves them right for assaulting someone. But there isn't enough information to determine if deadly force was necessary. Taking a life - even of a mugger - isn't something to take lightly.

I would have preferred he pistol-whipped the shit out of the guys, but I guess we'll see what happens. I hope Gothamist follows up on this story.

sounds like an inside job if the muggers tried to extort money from him. He owns a contracting business in Flushing and the muggers knew where he lived. they just didn't expect him to be carrying.

very smart, never tell anyone you have a gun.

geez, was it really worth it to this sh*thead to KILL someone simply to protect his stupid wallet and maybe a metro card plus credit card which he could have cancelled the minute he got home. sheesh!

i remember bernie goetz and always thought (and still believe) he was a total a$$hole. one graffiti (if only i had photographed it at the time!!!!) i saw shortly after the shooting sums it all up and makes clear why guns should be as difficult as possible to purchase:

"bernie goetz: archie bunker with a gun"

'Nuff said!

#19 the retreat rule has several exceptions, one of which is obvious (cops). There is an exception, no retreat necessary, where you are the victim of certain crimes, burglary, arson, rape, kidnapping and robbery. Here, it was a robbery attempt, so there's no retreat issue; it's just a matter of weapons possession and maybe unjustified self-defense, which may be voluntary manslaughter (I don't remember what happens there).

yah know, if every person who did business with the mob did this, we'd all be safer.

I'd always wondered why in hollywood they make the patsies so stupid. You're in cahoots with bad people get a GUN, ya moron.

I thought of Bernie Goetz, too.

My second thought was, "How much you want to bet that those guns came from Virginia?"

The moral of this story is: Make sure to kill them both, then you can say you wrestled the gun away from one of them.

#7, you CAN legally own handguns in NYC If you have a permit.

Unless you are an ex-cop, it is nigh impossible to get a carry permit in NYC. Even residence permits are difficult.

That's just for people who obey they law though. As long as you're a criminal, you can get them any way you want.