Reality Czech, you have a lot of hate huh? Wow.

The plan Bloomie talked about originally, discounted the bridge/tunnel toll. For a couple of bucks a day, do you really predict changes in congestion or pollution?

What do you figure the under/over is on the reduction percentage?

Sure it does. Just like it makes a big difference that a taxi, even those big cadillac livery cabs, are guaranteed to be used by multiple people throughout the day. You can't make the same claim for individually-owned cars. Personal cars create, if not extra pollution, than congestion and parking scarcity.

Heh, I wonder how this will affect those douches who paid 225K for a parking spot.

I don't think the fact that the cars are providing a job has anything to do with it.

I'm all for this.

Anything to make sure the subways are MORE crowded by the time they reach the asshole neighborhoods of Williamsburg, Park Slope, Cobble Hill, etc IS FINE BY ME!

:-)

I love seeing pregnant Park Slope women crushed and standing while I'm sitting nice and comfortable reading my morning Metro.

Here's the difference, the cars those asshole bankers take home or out bar hopping are providing a job. The cars that the asshole NJ SUV drivers use for their own personal transprotation don't provide anything but satifaction of their own persobnal convenience and ego.

Go it guest?

Or are you too chicken shit to register?

Looks like the "guests" are against the plan. Oh, well, no need to respond to them anyways.

Typical.

Everyday I see self-centered assholes from NJ in their SUVs in midtown.

Every day I see lines of black cars waiting to take self centered asshole bankers and lawyers home - or out bar hopping. They take cars instead of subways and buses.

Why don't you try focusing your amazing powers of blame inward for a change.

Looks like the "guests" are against the plan. Oh, well, no need to respond to them anyways.

Everyday I see self-centered assholes from NJ in their SUVs in midtown. These are single occupancy vehicles. They drive into Manhattan alone instead of driving to NJ Transit or PATH trains all because it is convenient for them (they get to listen to Howard Stern they get to eat a McMuffin as they drive, etc.) So even though their business probably pays for their parking, so what? At least this will raise money for mass transit improvemnets.

If you are complaining that you don't make enough money to park in Mnahattan, tehn shut up and take mas transit! It will save you gas, parking, tickets, wear & tear on your vehicle, etc.

If you feel this in someway compromises your rights ans an American to be as greedy as you want to be with no recourse, then really, America doesn't need you, lowlife.

Who knows if it will cut down on traffic. If it does, great nice secondary bonus. The true positive is that those who actually use the roads might actually have to pay for them. I and millions of others pay high taxes, with a lot going to the road. Non-residents pay nothing and use it probably more then the city dwellers. So my congestion pricing was quadruple the rush hour tolls on access points into the city. Or if you want you can start paying the city portion of the income tax too, choice is yours. Now if it can cut down on congestion as well beautiful, and little bit would help those of us trying to use public transportation. If you can afford to park in the city zones targeted you can afford a congestion tax, we're not talking about the working class here, no way someone making $30-$45lk could afford to park in the city.

As for the idiots in Albany, leave it to them to wait afew days just so they lose out on money. Whatever side you fall on this issue, that was a total f-up. They should all be canned in the next election, starting with do-nothing-but-bitch-and-complain-about-others-not-bending-over-for-him-silver

Also, the 500 Million is a share of a federal highways administration "urban partnership grant" to study road pricing. It doesn't have to be approved by congress, and yes, it does exist. Grants don't need to be authorized directly by congress.

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London has not lessened its traffic because the plan there was botched in its implementation.

A trial congestion charge was also implemented in Stockholm; congestion was also reduced by 25% and waiting times during rush hour decreased significantly.

Experience has shown that it works. (If, by some chance, it gets implemented here and it doesn't work, it can always be repealed.) Does anyone have any actual EVIDENCE to support their claims that pricing won't reduce congestion? Or do you just want to keep repeating unfounded conclusions?

Stop spreading the BS that this is going to increase the price of goods in the city. The trucks are only charged one charge per day, therefore if they make multiple deliveries the cost quickly becomes negligible (in fact, it can be less than the gasoline wasted in traffic).

Small trucks and vans are charged $8 a day

large trucks are charged $21/day unless they install emission control equipment, then the charge is a paltry $7/day, equivalent to two 3.50/day tolls.

The truck contains a lot of stuff of very high value, the addition of a few dollars in cost will not be significantly passed on to the consumer!!!!!

nooo why god why

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It's not going to put a dent in the asthma rates if you believe the studies that say global warming and higher CO2 levels are causing more pollen.

London has not lessened its traffic because the plan there was botched in its implementation.

Motorcycles are worse for the environment than cars as they do not have to meet the same standards, so they should be charged more, if this is about the environment. (Kids with asthma.)

43... u r probably not that smart. if deliveries happen at night, small store must keep a night shift, this adds significant cost. as someone said earlier, the 500M never existed, congress has not approved a single cent.

This is good news. The concept of charging for drivers to enter Manhattan, to reduce congestion, is a good one. The actual plan advanced by Bloomberg was terrible. The zone was too small and the hours covered too small, so instead of reducing congestion it would have just raised revenue for the city, and pushed traffic elsewhere. It ignored the fact that Manhattan is an island, so you could accomplish the same thing just by putting tolls on the bridges, or even increasing tolls where they exist.

The process started might result in a better plan. Though I don't trust Albany at all, its hard to see how it could result in a worse one.

This is going to be a great program when it finally works, and I do hope the $500M is still up for grabs.

Also, truck deliveries into New York City will now take place at night. Nothing will mysteriously cost more.

The money will be used to build bus rapid transit, the 2nd Avenue subway line and maybe, eventually, some LRT's. In the meantime they will probably buy some new trains too, which means more frequent subways. And they are extending the G.

Any questions?

just what we need, more people taking the subway, because there's certainly plenty of room on the subway! and don't forget, mass transit also means buses stay and we certainly don't have enough buses blocking traffic!

Tim, how's it going to be a boon for business? I don't see it making business better or worse.