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The Mayor's Office of Theater, Film, and Broadcasting, which coordinates film and television production and issues permits around the five boroughs, is considering rules that could potentially severely restrict the ability of even amateur photographers and filmmakers to operate in New York City. The NY Times reports that the city's tentative rules include requiring any group of two or more people who want to use a camera in a single public location for more than a half hour to get a city permit and $1 million in liability insurance. The regulation would also apply to any group of five or more people who would be using a tripod for more than ten minutes, including the time to set up the tripod. Does the Gorillapod count?
The New York Civil Liberties Union is concerned that due to the vagueness of the proposed rules' wording, that they could possibly be applied to amateur photographers or tourists taking snapshots or hobbyists making short movies for an online outlet like YouTube. The filming of political protests by participants isn't even mentioned, although it would certainly seem to apply. Christopher Dunn of the NYCLU accused the city of purposefully making the regulations vague to allow selective enforcement by the police, since the NYPD's selective enforcement of ambiguous laws usually results with citizens getting the short end of the legal stick.
The Times reports that the new codification of filming and photography requirements resulted from the 2005 detention and questioning of an Indian documentary filmmaker.
During his detention, Mr. Sharma was told he was required to have a permit to film on city property. According to a lawsuit, Mr. Sharma sought information about how permits were granted and who was required to have one but found there were no written guidelines. Nonetheless, the film office told him he was required to have a permit, but when he applied, the office refused to grant him one and would not give him a written explanation of its refusal.Part of the City's settlement with Mr. Sharma was the current proposed regulations, which seems to narrow, rather than simply elucidate, the ability of visitors and New Yorkers to film and photograph freely around the city. If you're a street photographer interested in time-lapse series or careful composition, forget it or hurry up, because the cops could be coming for you.
The MTA considered a ban on subway photography in 2004. Even though the the proposed ban never went through, cops continued to threaten to confiscate cameras or memory cards years after the proposal was suggested. Hmm, is it time for another protest? The Office of Theater, Film, and Broadcasting will be publishing the final version of the rules at the end of July, and the rules would go into effect in August.
Photograph of tripod-toting photographers by seth_holladay on Flickr
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This is just truly silly. All the courts in the US, even the conservative ones would knock such a regulation down in a second.
Seems Ammendment I to the Constitution says something about making no law abridging the freedom of speech, or the right of the people peaceably to assemble . . . .
Is Dick Cheney working in City Hall?
Joe
Chinatown
I don't like this, this is bloomie's standard operating procedure.
He wants to arrest you so you can bankrupt yourself with legal fees used to fight the ticket.
Are they going to arrest everyone with a video camera during the critical mass outings?
why are they really doing this?
we're on the fast track of an iranian facism.
This is just plain ridiculous.
Imagine all the film students that are gonna have to go to court...
Cops already go around "enforcing" photography bans as is even when and where no actual laws exist to enforce. I've had cops try to confiscate my camera for taking still photos all around the city (no tripod, no crew...just me and my camera.) When I talk back I almost always get threatened with arrest, etc. When I call them on it and explain that I know what the laws are, most back down but a few do actually seem to believe that they have the right to just walk up and tell you to stop shooting and/or to hand over your camera to them right there on th spot.
(sigh)
So If I got on a photowalk (As I often do) with other people, I may need a "permit"??
What about the Union Square pillow fight?
Oh wait, according to the NYPD proposed rules, I'm already a law breaker for not having a "Parade" permit that day...
Bureaucratic overreach.
I guess the NYPD has too much time on their hands. Ya know, because there's never any real crime in this city.
Repeat after me:
When the RNC/NYPD does it, it's okay.
When a peon does it, he is liable to receive bodily injury, invasion of person, kidnapping (arrest, or threat thereof).
Oceania has always been at war with Eastasia.
the big question is will any news organizations step up and go to the bottom of this new rule.
or, will they just kiss bloomberg's ass as usual.
except for Brenden Keif of cbs.
Ridiculous!
The Gothamist community should really use its collective power here and see what we can do to fight this. Proposals such as this represent a serious threat to our right to self-expression, and can severely hinder our creative energies. It is a cruel irony that we've allowed the culture of terror to silence the diversity of voices that make this city so unique. We can't let them win...
The exact text of the proposed rules:
http://www.nyclu.org/pdfs/nyc_photo_permits_proposed_rules_052507.pdf
The NYCLU's response letter:
http://www.nyclu.org/pdfs/nyc_photo_permits_comments_062707.pdf
This has been done in Qubec already. Not that you need a permit, you just need to get those individuals who appeared in the photo to sign a release. See here for details. You can also do a search for Gilbert Duclos.
This has been done in Qubec already. Not that you need a permit, you just need to get those individuals who appeared in the photo to sign a release. See here for details. You can also do a search for Gilbert Duclos.
What about private outdoor surveillance cameras?
any permit needed for that? and why the 1mil ins policy? Is there any type of insurance coverage for this? who writes this type of policy and what's the coverage?
They're writing the initial draft as widely as possible, people will complain, they'll make it a bit less all-encompassing, and people will think they won something when in fact the city will have gained broad new powers to arrest people. It's the same thing they do when they want to increase taxes.
Just what the *&(^*&^% is becoming of NYC?
What's next? Will you have to pay a special tax to be able to pick your nose in public and flick the snot into the sewer?
This is what happens when you get a billionaire as mayor. He thinks NYC is a business. When are they going to start charging for these permits?
All we've seen out of this guy are increased fees, higher taxes, fines doubled...
And now this nazi bullshit? To hell with them all. If they want my camera they can come try and get it. The only way they will is from my cold, dead hands.
-Control
ltvsquad.com
they don't care, they'll just break your camera in hopes of bankrupting you.
and believe me, they'll take pleasure in breaking your camera along with any bones.
NYC is a lie.
This is such bullshit, we cannot let this happen. Are there any campaigns to oppose this in the works?
so will the nypd have to register for a permit every time they want to film protests?
i'm pretty sure film students are covered for restrictions like this with a blanket permit provided by their program - though who knows, I wouldn't be at all surprised if they tried to ink a deal with local film schools to line everybody's pockets just a bit more through tuition and fees to cover increased permits costs or some such bs.
Contact city hall to comment or compain:
By telephone: 212.489.6710
By fax: 212.307.6237
or dial: 311
this will never pass or hold a grip. it's unconstitutional.
From my personal experience, I think stopping people taking pictures is something that policemen just enjoy doing. This has been going on since before 9/11 - although it is exponentially worse now. I'm not sure why it's fun for them or why the precincts turn a blind eye to allowing the officers to get away with it. It's so trivial. What kind of person brags about stopping photos being taken - there's nothing brave or macho to brag about is there?
One can also contact Commisioner Katherine Oliver.
Let's see...the city has recently gone to court to rescind the Handschu consent decree forbidding the police to selectively film and photograph citizens who engage in political dissent + Most of the RNC arrestees and others wrongfully arrested have been proven innocent of any wrongdoing with videotape from citizen journalists + The recent NYPD Parade Permit regulations have made it possible for the police to arrest groups of teenagers and any others they feel free to selectively enforce the guidelines on + A ban on cameras in public which will be again selectively enforced by the NYPD as they see fit,etc. = A POLICE STATE
i dont see what all the fuss is about
if you read the proposal it has clear exceptions for small groups and photographing parades/protests etc as a small group 2 or less..
i do understand there may be a concern for film students but that seems like something that could be worked into the wording.. after all it is still only a proposal and can be edited.
now anyone who doesnt fall into those two groups should need a permit and i dont feel that is unreasonable.
i myself being an amatuer photog who takes pictures constantly in the subway and at concerts/parades and sporting events feels not even for a second to be anymore threatened than I already am when having to deal with venue security or parks rangers...
"small group 2 or less" Would be a single person or just a couple, right?
That means people going for a Flickr stroll (say 3 to 5 people) needs a permit? IMO, that's unreasonable.
I'm an artist who uses the medium of photography to make images of abastact architectural landscapes in the reflections of automobiles. Constantly people object to my working in the public space of the street and I'm hassled by building security, car owners, and police who already believe photography of property in public space is against the law. I'm fortunate enough not to have lost gear but on more than one occasion been chased, threatened with arrest, and had demands to hand over my film. Obviously I don't have to mention the kinds of things that happen when one attempts to inform the police about the law.
I understand the need for bureaucracy to control professional productions and believe there should be some controls in permitting certain types of commercial use of public space. However as an individual "professional" I have not yet earned much from my personal artistic pursuits and don't feel I should have to pay for a permit to follow my passions as if I were shooting a commercial still or film production.
I can only see these additional restrictions creating a worse situation where those unclear of specific "rules" will automatically assume anyone with a camera suspect and subject to punishment as is nearly the case already with our society's climate of constant fear.
This will effect me more than those with advertising contracts or tourists.
I suggest we also ban painters from setting up easels in the street as well. Who knows if that finely detailed oil rendering of a bridge is heading to someone with dastardly plans of destruction.
So if I want to take some shots of my friend's band on the street for the cover of their self-released CD (which I'm doing as a favor) I'll need to pay the city for a permit and give even more to an insurance company or risk the wrath of the NYPD?
Wow. Stupid idea, unless... Maybe the police can start auctioning photo gear like they do with confiscated cars - then they could make even more money on this deal!
How can we put our two cents in?
As someone who has grown up in this city, I have to say that I am getting fed up with the people that have been put in charge. There are more stupid rules and regulations being thought up while serious problems keep getting worse and worse. I have always loved this city and I have to say that rules like this are the reason I am able to say that I am about done with this town and will be moving on and not looking back.
utterly ridickolous!!!!!!!!!!!
-shveckle
Is it a coincidence that this is happening at the same time that the downtown "surveillance veil" is going up?
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This makes sense, you can't have film crews shooting without insurance. Anything could happen. A wind can pick up a reflector, knock over a light, etc. What recourse would the injured party have? Would you drive without insurance?