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A man wielding a pellet gun was shot by police in Queens after refusing to drop the realistic-looking toy. A number of police converged on a street in Rosedale, Queens after receiving multiple calls about a man waving a gun and threatening to shoot motorists. Cops demanded that he drop his weapon and when he refused unleashed a barrage of gunfire––an estimated 20 shots based on witness accounts and the number of shell casings at the scene. The gunman was hit once in the torso, but was taken to a local hospital where he was treated and judged to be in stable condition.
The weapon that cops showed reporters as the one the man was brandishing was actually a pellet gun that was a realistic-looking reproduction of a black and silver semi-automatic pistol. A police lieutenant at the scene was treated for an abrasion to his shoulder. Initially it was thought he was shot by the man. WCBS is reporting that it's suspected that the officer was grazed by a ricocheting round fired by another cop. That story also contained the opinion of one of the pellet gun-wielding man's neighbors that he had a drinking problem.
From the quick look provided in a televised version of the story, it appears that the BB gun pictured above is the same model as the one the man was brandishing on a Queens street last night. It is manufactured by Daisy and described as "realistic," an assessment we cannot dispute.
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20 shots, 1 non-lethal hit, 1 friendly?
I suppose these police paycuts are all Bloomberg's plan on implementing a cheap form non-lethal force.
Agreed. Obviously a dark street with unknown motives is a difficult situation to assess and operate in, so we're inclined to give the cops the benefit of the doubt. Still, we've often wondered if they couldn't institute some standard operating procedure, akin to a charging outfielder calling "I got it" to wave off an infielder walking backwards to catch a fly ball, that would prevent multiple police firing wildly at a dangerous individual. All those stray bullets have to wind up somewhere. I'd prefer one designated cop ready to take a well-aimed shot if necessary. The others can jump in later if necessary, but should otherwise keep their fingers off the trigger until told otherwise.
What goes up, must come down. There ain't no kevlar for the top of the head. yah yah, unless you're Helmuted.
What's up with all these "friendly" cop shootings? I dance when it happens.
Attempted Suicide By Cop?
He's lucky he's alive...
[2] That's one of the silliest things I've ever read. "I got it"? This kind of situation isn't like a ballgame where if you drop the ball, it may let your opponent get on base. Look at the facts: 20 shots, one hit. What makes you think it's that easy to make one "well-aimed shot"? Meanwhile, if the guy had a real gun and managed to shoot a cop while the others stood by, you'd all be screaming why the hell didn't the cops shoot. Enough with the armchair Rambos who think these kinds of police situations are so easy to deal with. Even worse are the people who think it's easy to score a clean hit at night when there's a guy who might be pointing a gun at you. This isn't the shooting gallery at a carnival or a duck hunt.
[5]I think I expressed that I understood the seriousness and ambiguousness of the situation. The baseball metaphor wasn't an attempt at glibness; it was an attemt to point out how standard operating procedures can be established for given situations. And I think that I expressed that the time and conditions of the situation made a shooting very difficult.
All the more reason not to have multiple people blasting away. NYC is not farmland. It's a densely populated city and a stray shot can have consequences. Clearly, the marksmanship of the NYPD is pretty poor, judging from this case, so the fewer the officers unloading their weapons on suspects, the safer the general public will be.
And note that the only officer injured in the incident was probably hit with a stray round from another cop's gun.
I think it's time to replace guns with something else. Obviously, if it's not the gun, it's the shooter.
Maybe some "laser beams".
What about this sonic gun we keep hearing about that makes people crap their pants or just start crying or whatever it supposedly does?
I have a feeling this will be the cop union's response. get ready, here it comes....
It's the GUN, We need more POWERFUL Guns!
Give us the .45 acp, we want the .45 acp! You see the guns we have are not doing the job!
Give us more POWERFUL GUNS, we are OUTGUNNED!
blah blah blah blah blah.
Wow ... twenty shots fired and only ONE makes it's intended target ... sounds like quality police work to me.
[5] true enough, but we're not saying that WE could do better. It's just when you cut the pay of your police officers while upping recruitment quotas AND expect them to do a decent job... How about at least investing it in better training if you're going to cut their pay?
I fully admit that most of my education on police matters comes from watching "The Wire"...
That being said, shouldn't cops be required to take target practice every now and then? Maybe it's already a requirement, but my guess is that they learn to shoot and aim at the academy, then probably its up to them to hone their technique. From what I've heard, firing one's weapon is quite rare (thank God). I can only imagine how effective a cop is when the last time they fired a gun was 8 years ago at the academy.
But I may be totally off base. Anyone know if cops are required to keep their aim up at firing ranges?
i cannot believe their are actually people on this thread as ignorant as most of you. you have no idea what it takes to be a cop in this city. no idea. regardless of how many shots were fired, i applaud the NYPD for their swift action in disarming this crazy fcuk.
my my, such language.
I dance a jig whenever a cop dies or has karma handed to them amadou dialo style.
too bad it was just a graze. next time aim higher.
I think we have an idea what it takes.
You gotta be an asshole and when felt in danger, shoot and shoot some more, then shoot again, and shoot some more.
And, if that don't work, shoot some more.
Wallet=Gun
You're a POS.
I normally don't wish bad things on fellow human beings, but I sincerely hope you are one day stuck in a situation where the last 10 seconds of your life are spent thinking "I wish a cop were here" before some thug blows your brains all over the sidewalk.
Obviously the answer is yes.
To the rest of you armchair officers, I'd like to see how well you perform shooting at a gun-wielding maniac with your heart pounding faster than you've ever experienced in your life, adrenaline shooting through you, and sweat dripping down your face. A comparable exercise might be to go run for about a half an hour at the fastest clip you can possibly maintain (ie. until you are utterly exhausted and out of breath), do 100 push-ups, and then jog right into the nearest shooting range, pick up a gun, and see how bloody well YOU can score.
I really hope you're kidding.
Your suggestion is nothing more than ridiculously uninformed and ignorant armchair babble. Situations like this cannot be pre-choreographed into neat little "I got this one" sports events. This is the most traumatic thing anyone can experience. Expecting people to box it up into a presentable little scenario like you suggest is like believing actual street fighting and hand-to-hand combat happens like in a Jackie Chan movie. Use of force is always going to be ugly, violent, and ridiculously uncoordinated in appearance.
Nice that you think that. Hopefully you'll never be faced with a situation where fewer officers are "unloading their weapons on suspects" and as a result you die. Be happy NYPD officers even show up for work these days rather than formulating stupid uninformed opinions about how they ought to be doing their jobs.
#17, You have obviously never served in the military as you seem to have no idea whatsoever about what is involved in shooter's training. First, I'll give you 100 dollars if you can find a single member of the NYPD that can knock out 100 push-ups. Second, after the Police academy (where they spend all of 2 weeks with firearms training) a police officer has to visit the range only once per year to qualify. I'm not about to "armchair" this situation as hindsight is always 20/20 but I will say the cops ion this city NEED more firearms training. This is not a new problem, this has nothing at all to do with the pay rate for rookie officers and everything to do with an inexcusable lack of training in proper weapons handling and marksmanship. If the city is going to take a certain class of citizen (cops) and grant them the power of life and death over the rest of the city, then it is incumbent upon the city to make sure that these yahoos can hit the broad side of a barn. Sean Bell: 50 shots fired (30+ from one cop) 3 shots landed where they were intended to go. This case: 20+ shots fired, 2 shots hit the target. What was the other case from a number of years ago where the cops shot a man for showing them his wallet. Let's not forget the city hiring mob hit-men or all the narcotics that never seem to make it to into the evidence locker. We can and must do better New York, leave the Keystone Kops antics to the movies, the whole world is laughing at you NYC.
This is the NYPD version of a stressfire test. C&P from the NYPD website at http://www.nyc.gov/html/nypd/html/chfpers/personnel/applicant-home.html#training_tips.
The Job Standard Test (JST) is a criterion-valid physical job task assessment that tests for an individual’s ability to perform both typical and atypical physical tasks which can be expected to be required of a Police Officer’s response to either a routine radio run or critical incident. The Job Standard Test (pictured in schematic below) is a continuous timed event comprised of six stations that must be completed in four minutes twenty eight seconds (4:28) without stopping. The six stations of the Job Standard Test are as follows:
• Barrier Surmount: From a kneeling, weapon-ready position the candidate sprints fifty feet to surmount a six foot barrier.
• Stair Climb: The candidate proceeds from the Barrier Surmount to a 6-stair climb system and completes three over-and-back traverses.
• Physical Restraint Simulation: The candidate proceeds from the Stair Climb to a controlled-force tactics and training device which measures the ability to resist or control force in a physical restraint situation.
• Pursuit Run: The candidate proceeds from the Physical Restraint Simulation to a run/jog around a pattern of cones for approximately six hundred feet.
• Victim Rescue: The candidate proceeds from the Pursuit Run to a simulated victim rescue involving a thirty-five foot drag of a one hundred seventy-six pound mannequin.
• Trigger Pull: The candidate proceeds from the Victim Rescue to a trigger pull station, picks up an inoperative firearm, holds the firearm within a nine inch diameter metal ring and pulls the trigger sixteen times with the dominant hand and fifteen times with the non-dominant hand. Once inserted, the firearm must remain within the metal ring for the completion of the trigger pull cycles.
• Timing is stopped upon completion of the final trigger pull. This continuous event series must be completed within four minutes twenty eight seconds (4:28).
I know cops don't believe in Karma but someday they will. (it's part of their attitude, they have no conscience) One has to ask oneself, why does both my children have autism? Why do I have this persistent cough? What? It's cancer, but I'm so young....
Sorry cops, but we live our lives without intervention from cops because unlike your view of us, we're not the bad guys or perps or skels.
A Hundred Push-ups??????
hardee har har.
number 17 sure uses the word "die" a lot. too bad, it's always an innocent victim who dies.
#17: To the rest of you armchair officers, I'd like to see how well you perform shooting at a gun-wielding maniac with your heart pounding faster than you've ever experienced in your life, adrenaline shooting through you, and sweat dripping down your face.
Of course they are scared & nervous. Their shooting skills suck. They can barely defend themselves. If I'm ever attacked by a thug, now I know it'll take at least 20 shots for the criminal to get hit once. I feel so much safer.
Snot running down his nose.
aqualung, my friend.
[20]"why does both my children have autism?"
Does it have anything to do with subject-verb agreement?