[24], what break are you talking about that Jersey drivers will get but Brooklyn/Queens drivers won't?

yes, #32, let's discourage people from using mass transit and encourage enough people to drive in manhattan so that the streets will become parking lots! that will also help with nyc's not having enough smog - we really need to catch up to la, they're killing us. fresh air really makes me gag.

also #27, i'm failing to see how the second avenue subway is a waste of money, seeing as how the M15 is the highest-trafficked bus line in the country. clearly there's a demand over there - and have you ever ridden the 4/5/6 during rush hour?

I'd go along with congestion pricing, if the toll we pay crossing bridges would stop going towards subsidizing mass transit. We've paid for the bridges and tunnels many times over, time for subway riders to pay their fair share!!!!!

Screw Bloomberg- he looks good now, but he's systematically destroying the NYPD.

while we're at making people pay, I think we should end all subsidies to mass transit... make people pay the actual cost to use it, why should the rest of the state pay to subsidize people riding the subway? let them pay 8-10 dollars per ride.

Hey I've got a better idea than a lazy-driver tax. How about we shut down a couple tunnels and thru-streets entirely? Make the major aves and cross streets below 86th street bus only streets, and let the car drivers duke it out for the remaining space, ticketing the crap out of them ($1,000 a ticket seems reasonable) when they block the box.

blah blah blah taxes.

That's all I hear from the opposition of this plan. You babies are going to have to realise that there is an overall cost to your selfishness and 'convenience' of driving yourselves all over the place. The proposed fee isn't nearly high enough. You want to drive your little car around Manhattan, 20 bucks a day. No breaks for the people who live in the zone either.

More Paris please.

solidago, i know it's not a tax... it's a fee for entering the city, but honestly, the easiest most effiecent way to charge a fee witout creating severe bottle necking congestion, is tax.ould be deducted from easy pass and those without would have to wait on line and pay cash.

EdEx you're totally twisting words. People (at least me anyway) aren't saying they don't want to pay taxes but they want them spent efficiently. It seem like you're trying to paint anyone that thinks governemnt wastes money as a right wing wacko. Brilliant reasoning. I'm all for trying the congestion pricing but if the city id going to turn around and waste the money then I hardly see the point. Forcing people onto mass transit is half the equation. You need to build more of it where it is needed and Second Avenue is a lousy place to start. Yes, the middle class is being squeezed out. And I don't even know what the hell you're talking about with "if you can't handle progress". It's like you're having a debate but you're making up what your opponent is saying.

This isn't a tax - it is simply putting a tangible price on the costs people driving into the city unnecessarily impose on those who have no option but to drive in the city, and those of us who breathe the air.

*So you like seeing your tax money wasted and the elimination of the middle class in NYC?*

I am middle class and have no issues with taxes... if you can't handle progress, move. also, please explain to this forum how our tax dollars are being wasted, in nyc.

They need to really get working on the details of this (like not letting the Jersey drivers get the break that the Brooklyn/Queens drivers don't get, etc.) but in general, this can't happen soon enough.

Walked up 7th from 33rd to 37th today at lunch hour, and there was gridlock or box blockers *on every block*!!! If someone showed me numbers that said there was a wicked-ass increase in the number of cars in Manhattan over the past five years, I'd believe him. And it's only going to get worse. So bring it on.

[18]... so drive then... LMAO

The second ave subway will also serve the riders of the N/R/W who transfer at 59th street. These are the people who come in from Forest Hills/Rego Park.

Really? There is no planned connection of the N R W to the Second Avenue Line. All of you are making the assumption that people that get on the Second Avenue Line are going to take it all the way to their offices. Anybody that works on the east side of Midtown is still going to want to switch to the 4 5 6 at 63rd. Why would you take the Q over to 7th Avenue and the Times Square area? People coming from Queens will still switch to the 4 5 6 at 59th. Where is the improvement?

#15: Pat Buchanan is that you?

So you like seeing your tax money wasted and the elimination of the middle class in NYC?

Not #15

#15: Pat Buchanan is that you?

Why not HOV requirements also? Shouldn't we be encouraging efficiency?

To the complainers who feel it is their right to drive into Manhattan free of charge: As someone who has to take a crowded subway to work and breathe the polluted Manhattan air on a daily basis, I do not feel your pain.

Yeah, #15. NYC is just bleeding people. At this rate, there won't be anyone left . . . wehen the sun goes dark in 4 billion years.