Gothamist: Map of the Day: East Side Access

andrew

Sun, 13 May 2007 20:44:01 -0500

Man, this thing reeks of pork. Just look at the routing of those tracks! There's no way that's even remotely efficent. Also, why not design a station that asthetically matches the interior of GCT? The LIRR seems to have a liking for terrible architecture, as can be seen by their concourse at NYP -- even the NJTransit guys took a hint, and didn't incorporate many modern elements into their portion of the station.

pete

Sat, 12 May 2007 22:18:33 -0500

People will goto Penn when they realize Penn+subway is faster than GCT+15 minute escalator ride. 63rd St Lex is like 10 stories underground, nobody wants to use it, Elevators take 4 mins to come.

sandhogs

Fri, 11 May 2007 17:19:38 -0500

the reason why the NYC subway is not deeper underground is that the designers thought that a deep subway would scare away the riders and the system would fail. I always assumed most NYC subway lines were so close to the surface because the cut and cover method was easy and fast, especially 100 years ago. London is deep AND claustrophobic but doesn't have support columns every 10 feet.

rurrik

Fri, 11 May 2007 16:09:54 -0500

The deep underground tunnels are a shame, but it seems like it's either that or nothing. the reason why the NYC subway is not deeper underground is that the designers thought that a deep subway would scare away the riders and the system would fail. As experience in most other countries proves a deep subway is actually better because it provides less claustrophobic feel and can be more spacious as low ceilings are not needed. So, big ups for MTA for finally realizing that deeper is better.

doza

Fri, 11 May 2007 15:32:10 -0500

WHY deep undeground tunnels are a shame? At least they will be ventilated (think 63 Street/Lexington Ave F train)!!!

Hans Moleman

Fri, 11 May 2007 15:15:33 -0500

The deep underground tunnels are a shame, but it seems like it's either that or nothing. Shame? Do I hear a lawsuit on behalf of C.H.U.D.s?

me

Fri, 11 May 2007 15:13:46 -0500

so the B&T crowd can go between LI&NJ and bypass Manhattan alltogether! sweeet!

pedestrian

Fri, 11 May 2007 15:11:20 -0500

The deep underground tunnels are a shame, but it seems like it's either that or nothing.

Jason

Fri, 11 May 2007 14:38:50 -0500

Commuter: I remember reading that they will actually be just as far underground as the new platforms at Penn Station built for the Trans-Hudson Express tunnel. NJT and the LIRR are mum on any future link-up between the two, but it should be theoretically possible.

freudian tunnels

Fri, 11 May 2007 14:37:20 -0500

I seem to recall a year or two ago reading an article about NIMBYs blocking ventilation shafts in Manhattan that are necessary to make this project work. I guess this has been worked out, probably at massive extra cost.

Commuter

Fri, 11 May 2007 14:15:57 -0500

The new LIRR platforms at GCT will be five stories underground. Apparently, when this project was designed many years ago, they were not willing to give LIRR any tracks/platforms in the existing terminal. I bet this adds billions to the cost of the project and makes it much more difficult for LIRR passengers to get out to the street.