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Get ready for this Sundays 60 Minutes, because there's an intriguing segment: Anderson Cooper interview rapper Cam'ron about the hip-hop community's code of silence when it comes to crimes. In fact, here's an excerpt of their exchange from CBS News:
"If I knew the serial killer was living next door to me?" Giles responds to a hypothetical question posed by Cooper. "I wouldn't call and tell anybody on him — but I'd probably move. But I'm not going to call and be like, 'The serial killer's in 4E.' "And when Cooper asks if Cam'ron were the victim, would want his attacker to be caught, Cam'ron says no and offers, "But then again, you're not going to be on the stage tonight in the middle of, say, Raleigh-Durham, North Carolina, with people with gold and platinum teeth and dreadlocks jumping up and down singing your songs, either. We're in two different lines of business." And Cam'ron was the victim - he was shot in 2005 and hasn't said anything.Giles' "code of ethics" also extends to crimes committed against him. After being shot and wounded by gunmen, Giles refused to cooperate with police. Why?
"Because … it would definitely hurt my business, and the way I was raised, I just don't do that," says Giles.
Cooper also interviews the Harlem Zone's Geoffrey Canada who says, "It is now a cultural norm that is being preached in poor communities … It's like you can't be a black person if you have a set of values that say 'I will not watch a crime happen in my community without getting involved to stop it.'" Back in 2005, regarding Cam'ron's silence, Hip Hop Music said, "For God's sake, start snitching." More: Michael Patrick MacDonald wrote about the code of silence when growing up in white South Boston in the book All Souls and rapper Busta Rhymes has been criticized of not giving information about his bodyguard's death.
Update: The Smoking Gun tells us Cam'ron actually did cooperate with the NYPD back in 1999 after a dispute at a Harlem playground.
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It may be no coincidence that, according to things I've heard, the clearance rate for homicides in some low-income areas is in the single digits (compared to about ~60% nationwide).
yikes!
Someone should check and see if he has a serial killer living next door. You know, if there is he wouldn't tell on him.
what cam'ron said is somewhat disheartening but i don't find it that shocking or repulsive. many many people break the law one way or another, set up shady business deals in cash, etc etc and their friends, family, and neighbors don't turn them in because it's regarded as socially acceptable. a serial killer might be a different thing, but getting shot at or selling drugs is a part of some bad neighborhoods....we should try to change that but that doesn't mean the answer is having everyone snitch on each other
Someone should check and see if he has a serial killer living next door. You know, if there is he wouldn't tell on him.
What a stupid idiot.
I bet Al Sharpton told him to say that. Sharpton Sharpton Sharpton!
The "60 Minutes" story pre-supposes the notion that "hip-hop culture" (whatever that means!) is actually responsible for crime and punishment in the "inner city." So they found one idiot rapper who was willing to act all tough for the cameras.
Of course, the poverty, the middle-class exodus, and the conservative political climate of the last 27 years have nothing to do with isolated, crime-ridden black communities -- it's all "hip-hop," right? Craptastic.
Of course, the behavior of the residents has nothing to do with isolated, crime-ridden black communities. It's all poverty and politics, right?
Cam'ron's full of shit. If the serial killer next door was white he'd be dialing 911 in a flash. You really think he wouldn't "snitch" on Jeffrey Dahmer?
"Giles' "code of ethics" also extends to crimes committed against him. After being shot and wounded by gunmen, Giles refused to cooperate with police."
Good to know 'cause someday soon I might wanna pump a few into this a-hole myself and I could sure use the immunity.
"Giles' "code of ethics" also extends to crimes committed against him. After being shot and wounded by gunmen, Giles refused to cooperate with police."
Good to know 'cause someday soon I might wanna pump a few into this a-hole myself and I could sure use the immunity.
whatever. I don't trust anyone who drives a pink Range Rover. *cough* cam'ron.
whatever. I don't trust any guy who drives a pink Range Rover. *cough* Cam'ron.
He wouldn't, Spud. Considering he almost died for those stupid beliefs, I doubt he would suddenly switch on them because someone white was the beneficiary. But if it will help your racist views sleep calmly at night, by all means, keep on thinking everyone views things the same as you;)
Also, lets keep in mind Omerta was an idea long before rap music...
The one thing I couldn't get over was the dude who saw Romona Moore alive, but raped and severely beaten, in the cellar of the guys who eventually killed her and didn't call the police. He probably feared for his own life, but who the hell could live with that?
These kinds of cover-ups happen in all kinds of communities, but to say that you'd move away from your serial killer neighbor without alerting the authorities that you knew he was there is pretty goddamned reprehensible.
I think you all are missing the point here . The whole "Snitching rule" Has to do with intentionally dropping dime on another person in a malicious way . In other words, If you see something that may be criminal but you have no real evidence and you "snitch", That's wrong . The proper way too "snitch" on someone (IF you really have to)would be if the situation affects you . Example; Would be if your building is being overrun by drug dealers and the quality of life is being affected . Overall, Nobody likes a snitch because it has to do with trust ! If a person is a known snitch, Or things happen when that person just happens to be around . It makes it very difficult for those around the snitch to feel comfortable in sharing conversations with that person . Bottomline, If you want to lead the life of a snitch you better be very careful who you snitch on ! It could come back to haunt you in the future .
Lol at 'N--a Shooter'. E-thugging for life homie!
Brup brup nukka!
Stop snitchin' eh?
People need to stop glamorizing this shit. The level of ignorance that is needed to even begin to think this way is retarded. If a serial killer lived next to him he wouldnt say anything? So if you seen the dude draging bodies to the dumpster you would just look on? Wow... We no longer live in a society that we can take the law in our own hands. Its people with that mentality that are destroy my community.
But besides that its Cam so what do we expect, right?
I got dumber just reading this.
let's not forget that Camron's shooting a few years back was never solved dues to lack of leads. and it's been rumored that the whole thing (an apparently botched carjacking while he was driving his purple Lamborghini thru a tony DC neighboorhood)was done by his own crew in a pathetic attempt at street cred. i'm just sayin.
let's not forget that Camron's shooting a few years back was never solved dues to lack of leads. and it's been rumored that the whole thing (an apparently botched carjacking while he was driving his purple Lamborghini thru a tony DC neighboorhood)was done by his own crew in a pathetic attempt at street cred. i'm just sayin.
I'd report on a serial-killer neighbor all day.
That said, Cam'ron is right that his audience probably mostly sees the law incarcerating people for next-to-nothing, rather than effectively righting wrongs and enforcing community standards.
Doesn't the justice system bear the responsibility to earn trust a little better if "Stop Snitching" is part of an ethics code to so many people?
We can have political and race arguments all day - but if you make it your policy to not cooperate with the police - you're an f-ing idiot.
His Lambo was blue.
He's an asswipe.
Rap Music sucks.
I like the Black and White Cookie.
Cheers,
Javier
I feel saddened as a young black man, the nonsense folks that are supposed to be looked up to by our youths are spreading. No wonder the crime rate in most black populated areas is off the hook. I personally feel safer in a white hood anyday, and its due to folks like Mr camron.
What ever happened to the slogan,"If you can serve the time, don't commit the crime". I have to go through my kids album collection and make sure, she doesn't have any of the fools junk.
Obviously your going to speak up about something like that #[18] . That's just simple ! The snitching rule has to do with overt snitching . You know the type, Anytime they see something their telling someone else what they saw . That's the type of person you have to worry about . Dropping dime on a serial killer in your building is not snitching in the way it's being described ! Learn the difference
Omerta is not a code that originated with Camron. The "dont ask/dont tell" rule is a time honored tradition in ethnic neighborhoods. Kitty Genovese was murdered in full view of 38 people in New York back in 1964. Nobody called the cops.
Omerta is not a code that originated with Camron. The "dont ask/dont tell" rule is a time honored tradition in ethnic neighborhoods. Kitty Genovese was murdered in full view of 38 people in New York back in 1964. Nobody called the cops.