Why was the DeuceSeven piece taken off? BECAUSE HE IS A SNITCH!

the bs about never being caught isn't true. ask any minneapolis graffiti writer. He's going to continue to have his stuff crossed out and gone over.

I've stated this from the beginning . Graf. is stupid unless you do it right ! Defacing property is going about it the wrong way . Then again, Most graf. artist have a problem with authority anyway .

"Actually probably not. That is one reason store owners and warehouse owners get grafitti artists on purpose to paint their outside facing the street walls in order to keep away the taggers."

Now that's BS. We've seen Jake's posts here where he's lamenting that some no-talent hack dared to mess up something he liked.

I agree there are laws and rules that even owners of properties have to abide to, but show me where there's a consensus from the "public" to vandal properties, private or public because the vandal thinks it's not "aesthetic" in his/her mind. If the vandal takes the time to apply for a permit and gets the community's approval to paint over a sign then that's fine, otherwise he's commiting a crime, period. There's no universal consensus of what is "art" so again the argument that one piece is more pleasing than another is irrelevant in this case.

p0ps, whatever your building's owners decide to do with its walls are their business, I suspect that the owners are probably sick and tired of the cost and effort of painting over the street arts and gave in to the vandals.

I second putting all these posts on graffitist.com instead.

While Dude's tone is hardly worth taking seriously, I'd like to add a little on the point of ownership. If a building owner paints a their public facing walls a loud color which is objectionable to the community, the owner can be forced to repaint in an acceptable color. If the owner desires to lease space on "their" walls to an advertising agency, they must apply for a permit. This is how the community exerts it's aesthetic standards over the rights of the property owner. This is a local political process where the property owner has a voice, but not the final say.

BTW: The public facing walls of my building are decorated with street art and every one is welcome to add further decoration. I will not give the address because Dude sounds a little unhinged and may want to do something other than art.

"Anyway, don't you think BS would have tagged over the first picture if it had still been there? Probably.."

Actually probably not. That is one reason store owners and warehouse owners get grafitti artists on purpose to paint their outside facing the street walls in order to keep away the taggers.

I wish the jackoffs on my street with the booming car stereos believed this

Or Nextels for that matter.

constantly changing public art may well be desired over buffing or mass-produced commercial advertising.

It just so happens I see advertising and tagging as one in the same; just because someone paid for the space doesn't mean I asked to see their ad.

There seem to be a lot of jerks on extreme opposing sides of this issue. I think MT is correct that as cool as some art can be, they should leave historical locations alone (that's just really fucking rude). I'm definitely not going to complain about graffiti on some locations, but it's still all fair game whether you're an "artist" or "splasher."

"I may not like other people's taste in music, but I'm not about to drive down the street in a speaker truck "enlightening" them with my own selections, because that's not what we do in a civilized world."

I wish the jackoffs on my street with the booming car stereos believed this.

Jake, are you f'ing retarded?

Forcing "art" down people's throat via vandalism will never be accepted. Just because your idea of a "striking painting" is not a scribbly mess doesn't mean it has any right to cover up public property.

I don't care if Van Gogh traveled to the future from his time and painted a portrait on my store front, if he didn't ask my permission, I'm going to be pissed that he f'ed up my store front and throw his one eared ass in jail.

The point is that you cannot use a graffiti has artistic merit as an argument for vandalism. I do enjoy the first mural but I am sure there are also people who enjoy the Splasher's works, but enjoyment is irrelevant since it's still public domain shared by the public, and no one vandal has the right to say what should be there. The bronze plaque serves a function to show that they are standing on the Williamsburg Bridge, and graffiti on it defeats that purpose.

While that first painting is hella cool, graffiti artists really should leave historic monuments alone. That bronze plaque is a piece of public art in it's own right and the person who painted over it is no better than the splasher.

I also agree with #1 that the question at the end is the stupidest comment I have ever read on Gothamist for a long time.

p0ps, what kind of bullshit is this? Graffiti is vandalism whether is a tag, splash of paint or "art-quality" mural. Property owners have ALL the say sbout what can display inside and out of their properties, that's what they paid for. If you believe in what you siad you better let people know where you live and have them come over to paint and splash the outside of your property, otherwise shut the fuck up!

The public owns the publicly visible spaces in the city and acts through it's agents of government to maintain their appearance consistent with community standards. Property owners do not have the final say on the appearance of public facing walls. Community standards are changing. Street artists are challenging the old concepts of what is art and how art is made. As new interest in public visible space reach government representatives, collaborative, constantly changing public art may well be desired over buffing or mass-produced commercial advertising.

because, of course, there is one universally agreed upon concept of good art.

I agree Jake, and sometimes the commenters are just ridiculous. Imagine a city covered in art, good art that we could all agree had merit and beauty like the first piece in this post.

I think the line between tags and murals is very clear and I would like to see tags disappear from the urban landscape. I would also like to see murals take over every bland wall and even, sometimes, an historic plaque like this one.

Come to Toronto. Best graffiti in the world.

the bridge was already bombed with a zillion tags before his earlier hit in winter 2006. people are acting like this was a pristine spot.

#16 = my hero. end of comments.

How is it collaboration? If a property owner doesn't want your "art" on its property (and the Port Authority clearly doesn't), then you're not "collaborating" with it, are you? You're just out to vandalize. How is it "collaborating" with an audience that may not want to see your graffiti? This is just another example of how stupid graffiti writers are, that they don't even realize how wrong they are. Good artists never painted where they weren't wanted. Da Vinci never did. Neither did Monet, Picasso, even Jackson Pollock. If you want to buy your own property and plaster it with junk, that's your business and nobody will stop you. But doing anybody else's property shows you're nothing but a selfish asshole. I may not like other people's taste in music, but I'm not about to drive down the street in a speaker truck "enlightening" them with my own selections, because that's not what we do in a civilized world.