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The contract talks between the NYPD's captains' union and the city have hit the brakes. The union has been working without a contract for 40 months, and now the matter will have to go to the Public Employment Relations Board for binding arbitration. This comes as the starting salary of police recruits are under increasing scrutiny. The NY Times has an editorial, calling the $25,100 "a pauper's sum" and pointing out it's no surprise that the NYPD recruited just over 40% of its goal.
And on Tuesday, Deputy Inspector Michael Lau of the 5th Precinct in Chinatown retired. The Villager he may have been pushed out because he cracked down on illegal police parking on Mott Street. Lau started as a rookie at the 5th, and told the Villager in a previous article that he wanted to be a cop at age 12, when he mother was robbed: “I knew what I wanted to do, but I wasn’t sure I could do it. I was a short, Chinese kid, and I never saw a Chinese cop.”
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Please fix the broken link to the Times editorial, Mr/Ms Gothamist.
Another evil thing the PD has been doing (aside from offering new hires $25k to start with), is encouraging those about to flunk out of the Police Academy to resign rather than be kicked out. The PD has then offered to bring these folks back to boost hiring targets when other recruits or graduates resign.
Then there's their problem with the backgrounds of many of the new hires. In the past, mundane things like parking tickets or a funky tattoo would disqualify someone from even entering the academy. Now, people with some misdemeanor convictions are waived on through, as well as folks with serious driving record problems (license suspensions, chronic speeders).
Some immigrant hires have backgrounds and identities that can't even be confirmed or checked, but get hired just to fill as many spots as possible.
And then there's the whole problem with the physical standards going out the window too, with height, weight, and strength requirements going out the window too...
One last tidbit -- top pay (after 5 years) for a NYPD cop is starting pay for a Suffolk cop.
Some officers can and are now moonlighting as Security Guards and Bodyguards to make ends meet.
Surviving on $487 weekly (BEFORE TAXES) in New York City when you are 21 and living at home, is one thing,
but take for example, an unmarried adult in their late 20s, living in a one person household (which is not uncommon in New York) - with a car to maintain. After taxes are taken out that leaves considerably less to survive on.
They don't get that measly salary for long, it jumps up. so, please don't get the idea that that's the true salary.
And, to fire a DI over parking just shows you how immature and petty the NYPD really is.
Parking is the one thing they will fight tooth and nail over. that and busting up parades over 49 persons.
The police are corrupt. and now the police are short, immigrants who are most likely criminals who now find themselves in small positions of power. Not a good combination.
You mean Bernie Kerik?
Facts plz -- the top pay for a NYPD officer is $59588 before overtime or other add-ons (longevity, uniform/equipment allowance). That's only after 5.5 years, however. The pay leaving the academy is $32700.
The starting pay for a Suffolk County police officer out of the academy is $57811, and that jumps to $97958 with their new contract -- before longevity, overtime, uniform, etc. It only takes 5 years for that raise to kick in. That's 40% more than the NYPD.
If a NYPD officer decides to take the sergeant's exam to be promoted, he/she will take a pay cut for the first two years, if they were already at top officer pay. What other company or organization can you think of that cuts pay upon promotion? Would you be able to live on about $390/week after taxes for two years? I guess you have a sugar daddy/momma who can make the "real" money for your household.
Oh, and there are many low-level bosses (sergeants and lieutenants) in suburban departments (like Suffolk or Westchester) who make more than NYPD chiefs, or even Ray Kelly. Still think that the city is paying a reasonable salary?
Both the city and the assorted police unions are to blame for this situation. Only when we have a Koch/Dinkins style crime explosion, with corruption on the level of New Orleans, will this city finally wake up.
Finally, Lau wasn't fired, he retired. He probably was told he'd be transferred to something less interesting than running the 5th precinct, and decided it was better to take the money and run.
Why are you bitching about a JOB?
If you don't like the terms, you QUIT like any other job seeker. NO ONE PUT A GUN TO YOUR HEAD TO TAKE THE JOB. In Fact, I think being a Cop is the only occupation where they tell you how much you'll make. That's how they plan to pad their pay in order to up their retirement benefits.
Why is this any different? That's the true question and it's interesting. Is it because of the Gun and power over citizens, that you can F up a persons day very easily and get away with it?
You want to saves lives, be a firefighter or EMT.
Better yet, be a Doctor.
Please, interesting.
Actually I read that the average cop earns in the range of $70,000 a year (including overtime). (We won't even mention the generous retirement plan they have. Just try to find something like that in the corporate world!)
From the NYPD recruitment website:
"Start receiving full pay and benefits from your first day of recruit training ($25,100 per annum). Upon the completion of the Police Academy (six months), your annual salary increases to $32,700. Salaries will continue to increase every year and upon completion of 5½ years of service, base salary will increase to $59,588. In addition to these base salaries, there is overtime earning, holiday pay, night differential and uniform allowance. . . ."
And don't forget the 20 paid vacation days the first year with 27 paid vacation days after 5 years of service. Cops also get unlimited sick leave with full pay.
I think the city should relent and give starting pay around 50K, but as an exchange, stop all pension payments. You want more money now? Fine, then you get to plan your own retirement, or let the PBA take care of you if they have so much to complain about.
I agree with dude. You can't have it both ways.
I'm a criminal justice undergrad (in a top 25 school of US colleges) and about to graduate. I lived in the city for over 10yrs. I have a 3.0GPA, got a 97 on the NYPD exam. I can't not see a better place to work as a cop then in the city. -0 However I won't 32K is not enough to work in the worst neighbourhoods in the country, I will be taking the Suffolk exam this spring, the money of course being the biggest factor. the second reason stems from the question I ask myself who is actually willing to work for the NYPD under this salary- do all of them love the job like I would? Are they the best of the best? Seems like they aren't.-
so the question is why not pay NYC police officers more? why not way more? Does your not safety depend on it? do you not want the best police officers to work in your city?
-I'll be intrested to hear your responses...
Here's what I think and other 2A minded people think. I hope not to depend on the Police when there's this ruling. I depend on myself.
In a recent case the court ruled it is a, "fundamental principle of American law that a government and its agents are under no general duty to provide public services, such as police protection, to any individual citizen." [Warren v. District of Columbia, 444 A.2d 1 (D.C. Ct. of Ap., 1981)]
More rulings, the Riss v. NYC is very interesting.
Warren v. District of Columbia, 444 A.2d 1 (D.C. Ct. of Ap., 1981).
Calogrides v City of Mobile, 475 So. 2d 560 (S.Ct. Ala. 1985), Morris v
Musser, 478 A.2d 937 (1984), Morgan v District of Columbia, 468 A.2d
1306 (D.C. Ct. of Ap. 1983), Davidson v City of Westminster, 32 C.3d
197, 185 Cal. Rptr. 252, 649 P.2d 894 (S. Ct. Cal. 1982), Chapman v
City of Philadelphia, 434 A.2d 753 (Sup. Ct. Penn. 1981), Sapp v City
of Tallahassee, 348 So.2d 363 (Ct. of Ap. Fla. 1977), Simpson's Food
Fair v Evansville, 272 N.E. 2d 871 (Ct. of Ap., Ind.), Silver v City of
Minneapolis, 170 N.W.2d 206 (S.Ct. Minn. 1969), Riss v City of New
York, 22 N.Y. 2d 579, 293 NYS2d 897, 240 N.E. 2d 860 (N.Y. Ct. of Ap.
1968), Keane v City of Chicago, 98 Ill. App.2d 460, 240 N.E.2d 321
(1968). Bowers v DeVito, 686 F.2d 61 (7 Cir. 1982), DeShaney v.
Winnebago County Department of Social Services, 109 S.Ct. 998 (1989) at
1006. Balistreri v. Pacifica Police Department 901 F.2d 696 (9th Cir.
1990). Freeman v. Ferguson 911 F.2d52 (8th Cir. 1990). McKee v. City of
Rockwall, Texas, 877 F.2d409 (5th Cir. 1989), cert. denied, 110
S.Ct.727 (1990). Thurman v. City of Torrington, 595 F.Supp.1521
(D.Conn. 1984).
I don't know how new cops are.
I have been around nyc since 1978 and have
seen some good cops, and seen some lazy cops.
I cannot say I have seen some bad cops.
That is a very broad and general description.
We all have seen the lazy ones on TV a few years
back sitting in Central Park, during Rudy Guliani's days, and some women were in trouble. The women asked the cops for help, and the cops just sat there.
I have met a cop in my Kung Fu school that is on duty, and attends the martial arts defense class at the same time.
Are we NYC citizens going to pay a lot of money for cops like that ?
Do new cops deserve a high salary ?
I say no. Let them work for 2 or 3 years, and prove themselves worthy of the salary.
If cops want to get paid a a higher salary, they should work for it, prove themselves worthy.
Cops already have a gun. Power to intimidate.
Pay them a 50,000 starting salary, and even the
bad boys, the hoodlums want to be a cop.
To be the best, to get paid a higher salary,
cops have to prove themselves.
Hmm...I think maybe police salaries should be negotiated on the Swedish Union Model. The Swedish Union Model is in both the public/private sectors the worker's unions negotiate a state-wide/industry-wide contract. The police union should go to the state level to negotiate a uniformity in hiring regulations and pay grades. This way, cities like New York don't lose out to rich suburbs in Westchester and Long Island...because it is a matter of national security if the suburbs are going to poach the best of the NYPD mid-career no?
"If cops want to get paid a a higher salary, they should work for it, prove themselves worthy.
Cops already have a gun. Power to intimidate.
Pay them a 50,000 starting salary, and even the
bad boys, the hoodlums want to be a cop.
To be the best, to get paid a higher salary,
cops have to prove themselves."
- I would have to disagree completely with your assesment. you say cops "should prove themselves worthy"...this might work in other professions but could be dangerous for cops and for citizens. like you said "they have a gun and power to intimidate". you don't want some "Joe" from the street who got on the force by passing the exam by 1 point. who had a checkered past and barely passed the psych exam and who barely qualified in the academy. You don't want this type of individual proving himself as a cop. -However this *seems {see bottom} to be the type of caliber of people that the academy has accepted. and will continue on doing so in order to fill their ranks.
- that's why I think there has to high standards to begin with in order to become a PO.- how do you get high standards? make it competitive...(through high pay) or in the FBI's case make it glamorous (the FBI after 9/11 got 600 applications for every special agent position).
{this a quote from a police cadet from a polic forum website - his view is shared by many}
Personally, there are alot of individuals in the academy that I don't feel comfortable with having my back as a Police officer and I hope I don't get placed anywhere near them. It may be wrong for me to say that but from what I see, the academy needs to hold us recruits to hire standards. I'm not saying I am a super recruit but I see alot of people not taking the job seriously, whether its physical training or just common sense, and i feel they are going to be in for a big shock when they get on the streets. I mean how can you be a recruit and talk about how you want to go to APD as soon as possible or that you hope you can get a desk job in the precinct. Its crazy what some of them say, its like they just want the gun, shield and title of PO but don't want to do the job. Sorry, just got to rant some time .
It's quite dangerous being a cop in NY with all the crime and drug traficking, I still live here. I actually feel bad for nypd cop's, there salary is really low. What's the deal, why are they paid such a crappy salary, especially compared to other police departments.
It's quite dangerous being a cop in NY with all the crime and drug traficking, I still live here. I actually feel bad for nypd cop's, there salary is really low. What's the deal, why are they paid such a crappy salary, especially compared to other police departments.
you all are talking about this and it is funny to me cause im gonna be taking the suffolk police test and do you people know how much they start at well lets see 57,000 and the top pay is 98,000 that is nice a year without over time and you dont need college credits for suffolk and you dont do half what you do in the cit. so i feel they should pay that they can afford it the city it drives my brain nuts cant understand it!!!!
It is sad that if you are a NYPD rookie and you have a wife and kid, you qualify for welfare! That is just so sad to me! The police in NYC have such big shoes to fill, but who wants to with such low pay!